How many Green votes?

[craiger]

the party at the door who is able to convey the better idea.

CPC spending hasn't bought them a majority has it? They have been spending and putting ads in front of people since the last liberal leadership convention and they couldn't do it.

It Edmonton Stracona, Rahiem Jaffer had way more money then the NDP candidate, but the NDP candidate went door to door and pushed her ideas, Rahiem didn't he bought ads and spent on advertising. Who won?

you do have a point there

If these party's are then wasting our taxpayers money's running ads and stuff they should be held accountable and have to repay everthing in advertising if they are spending it on things that hold no value

[Alta4ever]

you do have a point there

If these party's are then wasting our taxpayers money's running ads and stuff they should be held accountable and have to repay everthing in advertising if they are spending it on things that hold no value

How to do you hold them accountable for something that is legal?

The political party welfare must stop.

[craiger]

How to do you hold them accountable for something that is legal?

The political party welfare must stop.

well first off. you would need to bring challenge in forth to the courts.

and have a petition, think its a minimum of 10,000 signatures

Edited November 7, 2008 by craiger

[Alta4ever]

well first off. you would need to bring challenge in forth to the courts.

and have a petition, think its a minimum of 10,000 signatures

Would never happen, current law allows for it to happen and you can't apply new laws retroactively.

If you were to challenge it in court i would think that it would have to have some precedent from the past which wasn't amended when the elections act was amended, or find something to show the government of the day had no authority to enact the law.

[craiger]

Would never happen, current law allows for it to happen and you can't apply new laws retroactively.

If you were to challenge it in court i would think that it would have to have some precedent from the past which wasn't amended when the elections act was amended, or find something to show the government of the day had no authority to enact the law.

No expert on this but what about discriminatory practice?

[Alta4ever]

No expert on this but what about discriminatory practice?

I'm no legal expert but I doubt you would ever win any kind of court challenge on this.

The best way to fix it is through a parlimentary vote. I would much rather see laws delt with this way anyway. The corts were never ment to write law, or fix laws. If they do strike down a law because it is unconstitution it should be sent back to the parliment to either be re-written or removed from there. Creating law and removing law is the responsisblities of the legislators not the judge.

[bluegreen]

You can gain publicity without money. But you are only thinking of hiring telemarketers and running tv ads.

I'm telling you that the grassroots are more powerrful, and when political party figures out how to tap this, they will gain donations, and elect members, but until then you will cry for public financing, which is a waste of public funds. The green party has a lot to learn about running an effective electoral district assocaition.

You are starting to irritate me with your' insistence that I am supporting a Partisan position. I am not. You are pretending that the grassroots are all, when they aren't. Sure they are important, and they make up the most important part of politics. That has no bearing on my arguments though. Money is the other resource that complements the grassroots. Money is generated through grassroots organisations. Yes, Yes, I know. Yes, it even works, sort of. There used to be a total free for all, and the world didn't end.

Do you have enough imagination to envisage something different from what you are used to? or will you retreat to your mantra about political welfare? Welfare is an undeserved handout motivated by guilt. The sources and uses of cash in politics are of public interest. I am not talking about the equity, or which party gets what. I do not care if you are talking about Canada, or timbuktu, aside from the fact that I am a Canadian, and I want to see Canada, the country where my children live, well served by our Parliamentary democracy. It would be nice if you could come up with a cohesive response to my points about politics being a marketplace for ideas.

As far as your fallacies about the GPC go, please continue to hold them. We started by seperating the real environmentalists from the NDP, and leaving the whack-job's to stew. Then we picked up a chunk of the Progressives from the old PC's. Next we got plenty of 'operators' from the Liberals. Every time you old line parties have a leadership race, or a drawing of knives, we get stronger at the grassroots level that you love so much. We are the only party that is growing, and has not stopped growing our grassroots for 6 years. Your' crowd are next, as we emphasise our fiscal and environmental conservatism and we'll show you what the grassroots can do!

[jbg]

It is absolutely ridiculous that we fund the BQ with Millions of dollars to be spent within Quebec alone. Other parties have to travel across the entire nation. The BQ does not raise alot of monies from personal donations.

Why should we support separatists?

We should "support" the scaffolding under the traitors separatists long enough to knot the noose.

No, I think the LPC, CPC, NDP and GP are all in good shape and can survive off their grass roots, base support and individual donations.

They should have to survive that way. I agree.

The marketplace will determine which ones are "good parties".

[Alta4ever]

You are starting to irritate me with your' insistence that I am supporting a Partisan position. I am not. You are pretending that the grassroots are all, when they aren't. Sure they are important, and they make up the most important part of politics. That has no bearing on my arguments though. Money is the other resource that complements the grassroots. Money is generated through grassroots organisations. Yes, Yes, I know. Yes, it even works, sort of. There used to be a total free for all, and the world didn't end.

Do you have enough imagination to envisage something different from what you are used to? or will you retreat to your mantra about political welfare? Welfare is an undeserved handout motivated by guilt. The sources and uses of cash in politics are of public interest. I am not talking about the equity, or which party gets what. I do not care if you are talking about Canada, or timbuktu, aside from the fact that I am a Canadian, and I want to see Canada, the country where my children live, well served by our Parliamentary democracy. It would be nice if you could come up with a cohesive response to my points about politics being a marketplace for ideas.

As far as your fallacies about the GPC go, please continue to hold them. We started by seperating the real environmentalists from the NDP, and leaving the whack-job's to stew. Then we picked up a chunk of the Progressives from the old PC's. Next we got plenty of 'operators' from the Liberals. Every time you old line parties have a leadership race, or a drawing of knives, we get stronger at the grassroots level that you love so much. We are the only party that is growing, and has not stopped growing our grassroots for 6 years. Your' crowd are next, as we emphasise our fiscal and environmental conservatism and we'll show you what the grassroots can do!

What you got was the protest vote from both major parties, whe you poll over 10% and take at least one sea tin the house I will beleive you.

As for a market place for ideas, it does not take money it takes an audience, this can be gained very cheaply to begin with. You need to first form your donor base then move to the formation of a party, not expect the government to fund your ideas. This is the idea between socialism and capitalism. Any jusification for miss use of public money just doesn't stand. If you have an idea its on your shoulders to sell it to the masses not mine as the taxpayer.

If you really want to get funding for forming policy join a think tank thats their purpose.

BTW Lizzie May is part of the wacko element, so I doubt you've shed it.

Edited November 10, 2008 by Alta4ever