Riverwind Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 Only an idiot PM would advise buying into the current market.Idiots selling are the reason why the stocks prices are falling. Eventually the idiots won't have any stocks left to sell and the prices will recover. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
kengs333 Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Posted October 10, 2008 The stock market is a long term investment. You can't take a 24 month snapshot and freak out over a drop. It will continue to grow over time with several ups and downs between. In fact, now would be a great time to start investing because stocks are cheap and if you don't have to take the money out for more than a decade, you'll be laughing your way to the bank. I think I'll pass on your Harperesque advice. Stocks are cheap because everybody is selling them to raise money that they can't get through loans anymore. Until that changes, the prices are going to continue to drop, and if we do slide into a recession/depression, many of these companies are going to cease to exist anyway. Hardly what I would call sound investments. Quote
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 I think I'll pass on your Harperesque advice. Stocks are cheap because everybody is selling them to raise money that they can't get through loans anymore. Until that changes, the prices are going to continue to drop, and if we do slide into a recession/depression, many of these companies are going to cease to exist anyway. Hardly what I would call sound investments. Another stock market expert! I hope you are shorting the market on your way to millions! Quote
OddSox Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 Apparently, I'm the one who was watching him, not you, and I'll repeat what the situation was. He was in Brantford, and he was asked by a journalist from the Brantford Expositor his opinions on the landclaim issue in Brantford; there are specific developments in Brantford that are being delayed and this is costing millions of dollars. He replied that, because he researches early hockey, he knows that back a hundred years ago that land claims issues were being discussed in the newspapers. He didn't say in Brantford specifically, nor did he say in the Brantford Expositor, but the question was in regards to Brantford, and the only newspaper in Brantford at the time was the Brantford Expositor. ...and the problem? Quote
kengs333 Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Posted October 10, 2008 Idiots selling are the reason why the stocks prices are falling. Eventually the idiots won't have any stocks left to sell and the prices will recover. It's not "idiots" selling, it's people and companies who NEED the money because they can't get loans. Quote
Vancouver King Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 Idiots selling are the reason why the stocks prices are falling. Eventually the idiots won't have any stocks left to sell and the prices will recover. No, you are wrong. Investors wanting to salvage whats left of their investments is why stocks are falling. You seem like a bright poster: What is your reaction to these predictions from observers at the front of the curve? (1) Major runs on the retail banks will take place in about 2 - 3 weeks, as everyone wants out before deposits are frozen. (2) Developments stateside are so ominous, so staggering, that Washington has ordered plans for nation wide martial law to readied for early 2009. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
kengs333 Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Posted October 10, 2008 Another stock market expert!I hope you are shorting the market on your way to millions! I seem to know more than most people here. Quote
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 No, you are wrong. Investors wanting to salvage whats left of their investments is why stocks are falling. You seem like a bright poster: What is your reaction to these predictions from observers at the front of the curve?(1) Major runs on the retail banks will take place in about 2 - 3 weeks, as everyone wants out before deposits are frozen. (2) Developments stateside are so ominous, so staggering, that Washington has ordered plans for nation wide martial law to readied for early 2009. Chicken Little, is that you? Quote
noahbody Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 Apparently, I'm the one who was watching him, not you, and I'll repeat what the situation was. He was in Brantford, and he was asked by a journalist from the Brantford Expositor his opinions on the landclaim issue in Brantford; there are specific developments in Brantford that are being delayed and this is costing millions of dollars. He replied that, because he researches early hockey, he knows that back a hundred years ago that land claims issues were being discussed in the newspapers. He didn't say in Brantford specifically, nor did he say in the Brantford Expositor, but the question was in regards to Brantford, and the only newspaper in Brantford at the time was the Brantford Expositor. Well, if that's the situation, Harper wasn't telling a lie. He was asked about a land claim and made a reference to make the point that issues with land claims are difficult to settle and these things take time. Quote
Riverwind Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 (edited) No, you are wrong. Investors wanting to salvage whats left of their investments is why stocks are falling.Ah yes. The buy high-sell low strategy for wealth building. Not one that I prefer but it does seem to be popular.There are really only two possibilities: 1) The financial system is really collapsing which means selling stocks is a pointless exercise because you will end up depositing the electronic proceeds in a financial institution which will eventually go bankrupt. People who actually try to horde cash will find that paper money loses its value rather quickly in a financial collapse. 2) This is nothing but a short term a panic that will subside in a few months/years and stocks will recover. If option 1) is true then it does not make a difference what you do. If option 2) is true you are better off keeping money in and/or purchasing undervalued stocks. IOW - assuming that 2) is true and being wrong comes with no downside since your assets will be wiped out no matter what. But assuming 1) is true and being wrong means you lose a lot of money. So the smart better would assume 2) is true hope for the best. You can call the above Pascal's Wager for investors. Edited October 10, 2008 by Riverwind Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
kengs333 Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Posted October 10, 2008 Well, if that's the situation, Harper wasn't telling a lie. He was asked about a land claim and made a reference to make the point that issues with land claims are difficult to settle and these things take time. Well, if that's how people interpret it, then he's not gonna win Brant or Haldimand-Norfolk... Too bad for Diane... Quote
Vancouver King Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 Ah yes. The buy high-sell low strategy for wealth building. Not one that I prefer but it does seem to be popular.There are really only two possibilities: 1) The financial system is really collapsing which means selling stocks is a pointless exercise because you will end up depositing the electronic proceeds in a financial institution which will eventually go bankrupt. People who actually try to horde cash will find that paper money loses its value rather quickly in a financial collapse. There are other options. Canadian residential real estate, although it's value is off slightly, seems to represent a far better place to park that cash than in any financial institution. What about gold, that traditional safe haven in troubled times? There are others. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
Riverwind Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 There are other options. Canadian residential real estate, although it's value is off slightly, seems to represent a far better place to park that cash than in any financial institution.Real estate will collapse if the financial system collapses so if you believe 1) is true then real estate is a dumb investment too.What about gold, that traditional safe haven in troubled times?How many people have the means to safely store a significant amount of gold bullion? How would you sell that bullion if the financial system collapses? There really are not a lot of alternatives if 1) is true. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
Vancouver King Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 Real estate will collapse if the financial system collapses so if you believe 1) is true then real estate is a dumb investment too.How many people have the means to safely store a significant amount of gold bullion? How would you sell that bullion if the financial system collapses? There really are not a lot of alternatives if 1) is true. People always need a roof over their heads. That means demand for housing no matter how bad it gets. It also means this demand will, in relative terms, stabilize housing values. I've already said today there is nowhere to hide in today's environment. Housing seems like the least unattractive spot to be. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 There are other options. Canadian residential real estate, although it's value is off slightly, seems to represent a far better place to park that cash than in any financial institution. What about gold, that traditional safe haven in troubled times? There are others. The stock market has considerably outperformed real estate over the last 50-60 years at least. Oops. Quote
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Posted October 10, 2008 People always need a roof over their heads. That means demand for housing no matter how bad it gets. It also means this demand will, in relative terms, stabilize housing values. I've already said today there is nowhere to hide in today's environment. Housing seems like the least unattractive spot to be. Even though real estate is historically a poor investment, comparative to the stock market? 1987 crash included. Quote
Riverwind Posted October 11, 2008 Report Posted October 11, 2008 People always need a roof over their heads. That means demand for housing no matter how bad it gets. It also means this demand will, in relative terms, stabilize housing values.Again, it option 1) is true people will not be able to get mortgages and job losses due to the resulting recession will result in houses being dumped on the market as people declare bankruptcy. If you really think about there is nothing people can do with the money they 'protect' by dumping their stock holdings if one really believes that the market is never going to rise from the current levels. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
cybercoma Posted October 11, 2008 Report Posted October 11, 2008 I seem to know more than most people here. You certainly would believe so. Quote
kengs333 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Report Posted October 11, 2008 You certainly would believe so. I believe what is true... Quote
Argus Posted October 11, 2008 Report Posted October 11, 2008 I believe what is true... Because your toaster told you. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kengs333 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Report Posted October 11, 2008 Because your toaster told you. How old are you? Quote
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