Conservative Strategy

[independent]

What do you want him to come over to your house with the ledger? Contributions are generally well documented under the new regime, Chretien under pressure after the adscam passed the first bit, Harper the second, what it does is limit contributions from one individual or business, then Harper passed a law that no business or Union could give money, a large part of the money comes based on the number of votes each party gets, in other words the government gives the money.

The Conservatives have a far better organization for collecting money from individuals (grass roots), the Liberals have long been the party of big business, since the second world war. Of late Power Corp and the Desmerais family have been the king makers, and most of the leaders since Trudeau have had some connection. Chretien, who was never anything but a politician retired a very wealthy man from several very short stints as a corporate lawyer, he's related by marriage to the aforementioned family, Martin inherited CSL as a spin off from Power Corp as favour returned for his father who was a Cabinet minister.

Please show me a link to where it says where HARPER got his money from for his leadership run.

[Bryan]

For what reason do the corporations prefer the Liberal party over the conservatives?

AS far as I know Harper has yet too tell people where he got all his money from to run for leader?(But what do you expect from a politian that campaigns on openness.

What are you talking about? It's been publicly posted on the Conservative website since 2005:

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/4684/

Edited October 5, 2008 by Bryan

[Bryan]

Sorry maybe I should have said, "Are you saying corporate Canada never donated to the PCs, Alliance, Reform, Conservative Party of Canada or whatever you want to call them?

Corporations and unions always supported all the parties. Liberals always had far more corporate support, NDP always had far more union support, the various conservative options always had more individual support. New rules essentially eliminate corporate and union donations, and limit individual donations. The result is, the number of supporters who believe in your message enough to give money is now critical, because no one donation can make up the slack.

[Slim MacSquinty]

I'm sorry Inde but I gotta ask; why would you only concentrate on where Harper got his money and not the others?

[capricorn]

I'm sorry Inde but I gotta ask; why would you only concentrate on where Harper got his money and not the others?

Methinks he's on a mission.

[Slim MacSquinty]

The reason that I asked the question is because I really want to know the answer. You see I can tell you exactly why I won't vote Liberal or NDP in this election, but I get the sense that there are a large number of people who have a hate on for Harper with no real reason. Thus we hear the same political rhetoric over and over, you know I don't trust him (without offering why) or that he is just like Goerge Bush (with no good examples) etc etc.

I'll give you my reasons, just cause I know someone will ask.

I have not forgiven the Liberals for adscam, even though I liked there economic policy under Chretien (knowing it was largely written by Michael Wilson) I am not yet convinced that they have paid the price for stealing from you and me. I beleive Dion's policies are dangerous both because it will severly punish the middle class and I believe, based on the words from Liberals themsevles, that it is really an income redistribution plan. I believe that the Liberals need a time in the wilderness to re-tool to be a centrist party again.

I will not vote for Layton, I've watched him and Olivia on city council and I know he is full of BS, and would kill the economy and spend spend spend. The NDP is full of professional protesters and nutters (not all of them but enough to be a concern), if you ever had the opportunity to spend some time on the Rabble forum (which I have) you would see that there is nothing more scary. At least we can argue with the Liberals with some civility, Rabblers threaten anyone who disagrees with them and talk about getting even. I really believe there are elements to the socialist left who would like nothing better than to lock up christians, corporate types and social conservatives in general. I find them disturbing. I've never heard a right winger hate a lefty because of what they think, they will often ridicule them, laugh at them or even call them stupid, but never have I seen one threaten anyone.

[independent]

The reason that I asked the question is because I really want to know the answer. You see I can tell you exactly why I won't vote Liberal or NDP in this election, but I get the sense that there are a large number of people who have a hate on for Harper with no real reason. Thus we hear the same political rhetoric over and over, you know I don't trust him (without offering why) or that he is just like Goerge Bush (with no good examples) etc etc.

I'll give you my reasons, just cause I know someone will ask.

I have not forgiven the Liberals for adscam, even though I liked there economic policy under Chretien (knowing it was largely written by Michael Wilson) I am not yet convinced that they have paid the price for stealing from you and me. I beleive Dion's policies are dangerous both because it will severly punish the middle class and I believe, based on the words from Liberals themsevles, that it is really an income redistribution plan. I believe that the Liberals need a time in the wilderness to re-tool to be a centrist party again.

I will not vote for Layton, I've watched him and Olivia on city council and I know he is full of BS, and would kill the economy and spend spend spend. The NDP is full of professional protesters and nutters (not all of them but enough to be a concern), if you ever had the opportunity to spend some time on the Rabble forum (which I have) you would see that there is nothing more scary. At least we can argue with the Liberals with some civility, Rabblers threaten anyone who disagrees with them and talk about getting even. I really believe there are elements to the socialist left who would like nothing better than to lock up christians, corporate types and social conservatives in general. I find them disturbing. I've never heard a right winger hate a lefty because of what they think, they will often ridicule them, laugh at them or even call them stupid, but never have I seen one threaten anyone.

Here is a good place to start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper

Study who Stephen Harper is and who the people were who mentored him. The more reading you do the more you understand who Harper is. I was going to give you other links but some one will say it was written by a Liberal. It Appears that every author or journalist that does not have "this article has been approved by Harper" is a Liberal. If you really want too know the answer its there. Do not believe everything you read but the groups he belonged to and the people he looked up too should give you a good idea who he is.

[nbguyca]

No party comes even close to the Liberal Party in terms of the money corporations poured into the Liberal coffers over the years. The tap was turned off and their supporters are not opening their wallets. Today, the Liberal Party is almost broke.

You still haven't answered the question.

Corporations always donated to both parties and yes I know that the legislation now makes that difficult. (But we have all scene with this election call that there is always a way around legislation.)

I don't understand what this has to do with the conservative strategy to simply avoid all the questions and blame everything on another party. Why did you bring it up?

[Slim MacSquinty]

I did not ask you to give me information about Harper, I asked for our reasoning, is there any?

Have you looked into other leaders backgrounds?

nb guy, what are you getting at, they have done their disclosure, have the Liberals and the NDP, why don't you ask about theirs? After all the Liberals have been caught stealing before, shouldn't you be more suspicious of them?

It's all smear, you are raising suspicions without cause. Let me ask you have you finally stopped beating your wife?

[capricorn]

You still haven't answered the question.

I commented that as a former Liberal supporter I never donated to the party because I knew that corporate Canada sent plenty of money to the party, so why should I. Then you asked:

"Are you saying corporate Canada never donated to the PCs, Alliance, Reform, Conservative Party of Canada or whatever you want to call them? "

Your question was entirely out of context as I hadn't even raised those other parties' names in my comments. It came right out of left field.

Regardless, if it will make you feel better here goes. Yes, corporate Canada has in the past donated to the PCs, Alliance, Reform, and Conservative Party of Canada.

I don't understand what this has to do with the conservative strategy to simply avoid all the questions and blame everything on another party. Why did you bring it up?

I really don't know where you're getting all this stuff about blame and avoidance.

[Slim MacSquinty]

See he's avoiding the wife beating question, what should we assume.

Its all BS, smear and speculate, throw a little mud all to avoid reason.

[independent]

I did not ask you to give me information about Harper, I asked for our reasoning, is there any?

Have you looked into other leaders backgrounds?

nb guy, what are you getting at, they have done their disclosure, have the Liberals and the NDP, why don't you ask about theirs? After all the Liberals have been caught stealing before, shouldn't you be more suspicious of them?

It's all smear, you are raising suspicions without cause. Let me ask you have you finally stopped beating your wife?

Most informed voters look into the backgrounds of all the party leaders and candidates. Certainly you do not just take the word of a politician.

There is a long history of politicians being caught doing unethical behaviour. Check out what happened to the Devine government which destroyed the conservatives is Saskatchewan. You do not discard the whole parties because of the actions of a few. Just like their is in the general population each party will have people that are less the honest.

There is a huge movement now to stop Harper. It is not aimed at the Conservatives. Many of us would consider voting conservatives if some one like Joe Clark was in charge.

By all means do your homework on all of them.

Edited October 6, 2008 by independent

[nbguyca]

I commented that as a former Liberal supporter I never donated to the party because I knew that corporate Canada sent plenty of money to the party, so why should I. Then you asked:

"Are you saying corporate Canada never donated to the PCs, Alliance, Reform, Conservative Party of Canada or whatever you want to call them? "

Your question was entirely out of context as I hadn't even raised those other parties' names in my comments. It came right out of left field.

Regardless, if it will make you feel better here goes. Yes, corporate Canada has in the past donated to the PCs, Alliance, Reform, and Conservative Party of Canada.

I really don't know where you're getting all this stuff about blame and avoidance.

Thank you for answering the question. I was trying to figure out why you poosted what you did because it had nothing to do with the original question.

I have listened to many Conservative candidates in this election and none will give a straight answer about what they will do if elected. Hell, they haven't even released an election platform yet and there is only a week left in the campaign. Everytime a question has been asked, they simply start talking about how bad the Liberals are. Just like Harper did during the debate.

[nbguyca]

I did not ask you to give me information about Harper, I asked for our reasoning, is there any?

Have you looked into other leaders backgrounds?

nb guy, what are you getting at, they have done their disclosure, have the Liberals and the NDP, why don't you ask about theirs? After all the Liberals have been caught stealing before, shouldn't you be more suspicious of them?

It's all smear, you are raising suspicions without cause. Let me ask you have you finally stopped beating your wife?

I'm suspicious of all them. They have all been caught with their hands in the cookie jar and the Conservatives are no different than the Liberals.

What suspicions am I raising? The thread was started because the Conservatives won't answer any questions; it had nothing to do where parties got their money.

As for your last comment, grow up.

[White Doors]

Many of us would consider voting conservatives if some one like Joe Clark was in charge.

Translation: I would consider voting conservative if they were really liberals.

Edited October 6, 2008 by White Doors

[lukin]

Here is a good place to start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper

Study who Stephen Harper is and who the people were who mentored him. The more reading you do the more you understand who Harper is. I was going to give you other links but some one will say it was written by a Liberal. It Appears that every author or journalist that does not have "this article has been approved by Harper" is a Liberal. If you really want too know the answer its there. Do not believe everything you read but the groups he belonged to and the people he looked up too should give you a good idea who he is.

\\Wikipedia??? Are you kidding?? Wikidedia is dominated from the far-left. Anyone who counts on Wikipedia for political information should have their right to vote revoked. It is a joke. But I guess a few people are fooled by it.

[Topaz]

The Cons never give a straight answer on anything! In the House when asked a question that they don't want to answer, they enter attack mode! Personal attack the one that asked it. The reason Harper doesn't have money problem is that the reform-alliance probably had big bucks and I'm not sure how much the PC's had left over from the Murloney days, so I think it safe to say they don't have money problems. The opppositions have asked Harper to show from the last election his donors and he said he would but never did. I can see how people who were former PC supporters would vote for Harper in the last election, he was new and had the name "conservative" but its only because he couldn't use "alliance" and get votes, especially in eastern Canada. If people don't trust Harper and the Cons its their own making by the way they have acted with their time as government. Too many broken promises, too many scams, too many lies, too many secrets!!!

[Wild Bill]

Translation: I would consider voting conservative if they were really liberals.

LOL! You beat me to it!

[nbguyca]

\\Wikipedia??? Are you kidding?? Wikidedia is dominated from the far-left. Anyone who counts on Wikipedia for political information should have their right to vote revoked. It is a joke. But I guess a few people are fooled by it.

I agree that Wikipedia is a terriible source but dominated by the far-left??? Anyone can post on Wikipedia and they certainly not all from the far left.

[independent]

\\Wikipedia??? Are you kidding?? Wikidedia is dominated from the far-left. Anyone who counts on Wikipedia for political information should have their right to vote revoked. It is a joke. But I guess a few people are fooled by it.

You are welcome to give him any unbiased sourse of information you want. The information their does not contradict any information I have found elsewhere.

[independent]

Translation: I would consider voting conservative if they were really liberals.

White Door I think you realize that the conservatives are pushing too be ultra right wing are quite happy with that. But it is important for voters to realize that they are not the Joe Clark Proggressive Conservatives they are the Harper's (Reform party).

[normanchateau]

Every leader dodges questions. They dodge questions in a debate for a reason.

Your opponents in a debate are usually asking loaded questions where to answer honestly would look bad in the eyes of the average uninformed viewer.

That must be why Harper dodged Duceppe's question about whether Harper, if he were Prime Minister in 2003, would have joined Bush in invading Iraq. Despite going on US television to attack Canada's government for not invading Iraq, and despite his statements to Canadians in 2003, Harper dodged and slithered like a slimy reptile. And yes, you're right. If Harper had answered honestly he would have looked bad.

Duceppe's strategy in reminding Quebecers about Harper's Bush-like desire to invade Iraq has probably contributed to Harper now being in third place in the polls in Quebec.

[White Doors]

White Door I think you realize that the conservatives are pushing too be ultra right wing are quite happy with that. But it is important for voters to realize that they are not the Joe Clark Proggressive Conservatives they are the Harper's (Reform party).

And thank goodness for that!

[normanchateau]

Thus we hear the same political rhetoric over and over, you know I don't trust him (without offering why) or that he is just like Goerge Bush (with no good examples) etc etc.

He's not just like George Bush but he shares views with George Bush. Like George Bush, Harper opposes embryonic stem cell research, abortion, same sex marriage. Like George Bush, he wanted to invade Iraq in 2003.

Like George Bush, he believes in mandatory jail time for as little as one marijuana plant. Harper also opposed making it a hate crime to advocate the killing of homosexuals and lesbians. This law (Bill C-250) passed anyway because the other parties overwhelmingly supported it. Even Peter MacKay voted for C-250 but not religious nut Harper.

Just as the Liberals blundered by selecting Dion as their leader, the Conservatives blundered by selecting Harper, a social conservative who's reviled in Quebec and appears unlikely to win a majority.

[M.Dancer]

He's not just like George Bush but he shares views with George Bush. Like George Bush, Harper opposes embryonic stem cell research, abortion, same sex marriage.

Which is why we have stem cell research, abortion and same sex marriage in canada.

..sheesh...