Tories defend interests of Quebec nationalists: PM

[CANADIEN]

Not French Canadians, just people like you, Quebec NATIONALIST.

I'm Ontarian. And I don't buy your "it's not French Canadians" line.

[Smallc]

Please give me a clear definiton what that is supposed to mean?

That French has just as much standing as English in this country.

[Leafless]

It is because we all ready that everyone on this thread laugh at you.

Oh, you mean the other Quebec nationalist, like you.

That is nothing new with Quebec nationalist.

They laugh at any form of authority dictated by federalist or Canadians who know Canada is a country.

You know of ocurse that the Charter pre-dates the Charlottetown Accord, and the Charlottetown Referendum was about the Charlottetown Accord, not the Charter.

It matters NOT.

There is nothing in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that dictates or is entrenched in the constitution that says Quebec is a 'distinct society' or gives Quebec 'special status' using that type of terminology.

That is what I was making reference to.

It was I that brought up the Charter, in part a document that constitues a travestiy of justice.

Very sad but very laughable in how this country is so dysfunctional and corrupt.

and you know of course that that there was no referendum on the Meech Lake Accord.

There was no public referendum but rather that decision was based on representation of the citizens of Canada by the provinces.

Yes, I agree this is not a true referendum. This is truly false and corrupt representation no matter how you look at it bypassing the citizens of Canada.

But regardless the provinces did NOT allow the Meech Lake Accord to become law.

Despite efforts to reach a consensus, the constitutional agreement unravels, as Manitoba and Newfound fail to ratify the Meech Lake Accord before the June 23 deadline.

http://www.rhondaparkinson.com/meech-lake-accord.htm

And to quote your own words, either there are no federal document OF ANY KIND (your own words) granting a special status to Quebec, or the Charter (a federal document) grants such a status. Make up your mind, will you?

See above answer.

PS: You are of course welcome at any time to show the exact wwords in the Constitution (including the Charter) that gives any province a special status.

There are no such words that give a province 'special status'.

That is what makes the Charter so CORRUPT.

Trudeau just went ahead and gave Quebec special 'charter' status.

Edited September 21, 2008 by Leafless

[Leafless]

I'm Ontarian. And I don't buy your "it's not French Canadians" line.

And I don't buy you are a plain jane Ontario Francophone.

You speak and write Anglais but got Francais on the brain.

Edited September 21, 2008 by Leafless

[Leafless]

That French has just as much standing as English in this country.

Does that include forcing the 'Quebec Act' on the ROC?

[CANADIEN]

They laugh at any form of authority dictated by federalist or Canadians who know Canada is a country.

The fact that YOU call Canada a foreign enclave aside, nice to know that you admit you want to dictate things.

There is nothing in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that dictates or is entrenched in the constitution that says Quebec is a 'distinct society' or gives Quebec 'special status' using that type of terminology.

That is what I was making reference to.

It was I that brought up the Charter, in part a document that constitues a travestiy of justice.

There are no such words that give a province 'special status'.

That is what makes the Charter so CORRUPT.

Less we forget. The Charter is wrong because it does not include something (a "special status" for Quebec) you didn't want it to be included. Whatever.

There was no public referendum but rather that decision was based on representation of the citizens of Canada by the provinces.

That's how the Charter was implemented too.

Trudeau just went ahead and gave Quebec special 'charter' status.

And we can count on you to explain how Trudeau allegedly gave Quebec special status. Of course, it will also be up to you to explain why Trudeau opposed both meech Lake and Charlottetown... after all, he made it clear he was against them because they included dispositions stating that Quebec was a distinct society.

Edited September 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

And I don't buy you are a plain jane Ontario Francophone.

You speak and write Anglais but got Francais on the brain.

That would be plain Joe.

And yes, the language in which I form my thoughts is usually French (a Canadian language, btw). That's what most Ontario Francophones do. Sorry to burst your "the Francophones in Ontario are all from Quebec" upcoming bubble.

[CANADIEN]

Does that include forcing the 'Quebec Act' on the ROC?

We're talking about the Quebec Act of 1774, right?

Because if you are talking about Quebec's language law, everyone who has a clue knows that nothing similar exists anywhere else in the country.

[cybercoma]

Read and pay attention.

There are no official federal documents decided by referendum ( as with the Charlottetown Accord or Meech Lake Accord) that states Quebec is entitled to special status or is a distinct society.

Rights given to Quebec in the discriminatory Charter of Rights and Freedoms, relating to Quebec makes a mockery out of the Charlottetown Accord. These rights were LEGISLATED and NOT implemented by referendum.

This proves Canada's government is dysfunctional and is ruled by centralized dictatorial form of government.

Do you suggest our Constitution and The Charter by scrapped? Is that what you're getting at?

[CANADIEN]

Do you suggest our Constitution and The Charter by scrapped? Is that what you're getting at?

Not quite. he wants a referendum, which he believes would make his dream of having the French language banned a reality.

So... Who should tell him that most polls show that the vast majority of Canadians agree (at least in theory) with the concept of official bilingualism?

[Leafless]

And we can count on you to explain how Trudeau allegedly gave Quebec special status. Of course, it will also be up to you to explain why Trudeau opposed both meech Lake and Charlottetown... after all, he made it clear he was against them because they included dispositions stating that Quebec was a distinct society.

Trudeau did not want Quebec to be seen as something 'special' but rather seen as 'deserving' and followed that up by directly writing it into the constitution.

[Leafless]

We're talking about the Quebec Act of 1774, right?

Right.

So answer the question.

Does that include forcing the Quebec Act 1774, on the ROC?

[Leafless]

Do you suggest our Constitution and The Charter by scrapped? Is that what you're getting at?

Not the entire constitution but the Constitution Act 1982 should be scrapped or rewritten to allow Canadian citizens to decide by referendum on just who (if any at all) receives special status in their country relating to culture.

[cybercoma]

Not the entire constitution but the Constitution Act 1982 should be scrapped or rewritten to allow Canadian citizens to decide by referendum on just who (if any at all) receives special status in their country relating to culture.

By law, to accomplish this, the formula would have to be met to change the Constitution Act. Do you think that's even feasible? I don't mean any offense by this, but what you're suggesting is highly ideological in nature, so you may want to take into consideration that Canadians are by and large more pragmatic in their views. Personally, I feel it would be highly unlikely for your idea to be accomplished. I think you need to try and find a better understanding of where the average Canadian stands on these types of issues. What do you think?

[Leafless]

By law, to accomplish this, the formula would have to be met to change the Constitution Act. Do you think that's even feasible?

And this is what makes the Constitution Act a JOKE.

I have heard that a PM (with courage) has the power and can simply label the Constitution Act 1982 as being UNCONSTITUTONAL and simply scrap it.

I think you need to try and find a better understanding of where the average Canadian stands on these types of issues. What do you think?

"A better understanding where the average Canadian stands on these types of issues" is 'commie' talk in my book.

Plain and simple, tax paying Canadians have been denied the democratic initatives that would allow them to officially participate in a national referendum relating to these issues.

[M.Dancer]

"A better understanding where the average Canadian stands on these types of issues" is 'commie' talk in my book.

You're Special...

[CANADIEN]

Trudeau did not want Quebec to be seen as something 'special' but rather seen as 'deserving' and followed that up by directly writing it into the constitution.

English translation please?

I am still waiting to see evidence of those mythical "Quebec" charter rights forced upon us by Trudeau.

[CANADIEN]

Right.

So answer the question.

Does that include forcing the Quebec Act 1774, on the ROC?

Expending linguistic rights so that they apply in ALL of Canada is not forcing anything on anyone, except in bigoted ignorant minds such as yours. So the answer is an obvious no.

[CANADIEN]

Not the entire constitution but the Constitution Act 1982 should be scrapped or rewritten to allow Canadian citizens to decide by referendum on just who (if any at all) receives special status in their country relating to culture.

Less we forget, the right of others is a form of special status in your limited mind.

Edited September 22, 2008 by CANADIEN

[cybercoma]

"A better understanding where the average Canadian stands on these types of issues" is 'commie' talk in my book.

Actually, it's as far away from communism as you can get. The point is that most Canadians are not ideological. Do you know what I mean by that? Radical ideas, like the ones you're on about here, are very uncommon. What I want you to understand is that this isn't YOUR country, this is OUR country and unless you can present your ideas in a manner that is digestible for the entire nation, they're never going to work.

[g_bambino]

I have heard that a PM (with courage) has the power and can simply label the Constitution Act 1982 as being UNCONSTITUTONAL and simply scrap it.

Which of the voices in your head told you that?

[CANADIEN]

Which of the voices in your head told you that?

All of mine told me to go to Part IV of the Constitutional Act of 1982 (link)

And guess what? leafless is wrong... again.

[g_bambino]

And guess what? leafless is wrong... again.

No surprise there. He also seems to be unaware that one part of the constitution can't be used to declare another part as unconstitutional.

[cybercoma]

I'm still chuckling over the idea of The Constitution being Unconstitutional.

That's like saying, "this water is dry."

[Leafless]

You're Special...

You can be special to.

Don't vote for politicians that run Canada like a dictatorship.