JerrySeinfeld Posted August 1, 2008 Report Posted August 1, 2008 Al Gore, where are you now? Article excerpt: Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril. Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth stillwarming?" She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years." Duffy: "Is this a matter of any controversy?" Marohasy: "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued ... This is not what you'd expect, as I said, because if carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures should be going up ... So (it's) very unexpected, not something that's being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it's very significant." Duffy: "It's not only that it's not discussed. We never hear it, do we? Whenever there's any sort of weather event that can be linked into the global warming orthodoxy, it's put on the front page. But a fact like that, which is that global warming stopped a decade ago, is virtually never reported, which is extraordinary." Link Isn't this worth discussing? Where are the alarmists on these facts? In our ongoing blather and panic about the earth warming at an alarming rate, isn't this newsworthy? Shouldn't this be front page news EVERYWHERE ON THE PLANET? Quote
Riverwind Posted August 1, 2008 Report Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) Isn't this worth discussing? Where are the alarmists on these facts?We need another 3-5 years of flat or cooling temperatures. If 2012 is still cooler than 1998 we will see the AGW edifice collapse on itself. Until then there are various statistical arguments that can be used to explain away the non-warming. People who are open minded about the topic should recognize that the flat temperatures is evidence that the alarmists could be wrong so there is no need to rush and adopt radical anti-CO2 policies at this time. If the alarmists are right a 5 year delay in implementing policies is not going to make any difference in the long run but it waiting will save us a bundle if they are wrong. Edited August 1, 2008 by Riverwind Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
eyeball Posted August 1, 2008 Report Posted August 1, 2008 I bet this is big news down at the Church of Global Dimming. The frog still doesn't have a clue though. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
MMT Posted August 3, 2008 Report Posted August 3, 2008 Al Gore, where are you now?Article excerpt: Link Isn't this worth discussing? Where are the alarmists on these facts? In our ongoing blather and panic about the earth warming at an alarming rate, isn't this newsworthy? Shouldn't this be front page news EVERYWHERE ON THE PLANET? The global warming did not stop. It's being developed in cycles. The truth is - it's not caused by human activities. It's caused by outer space forces and it started when the solar system entered more energetic area in our galaxy. The global warming covers not just Earth, but the sun and all the planets in solar system. On Earth it caused weakening of the magnetic field and intensified sun's radiation penetration to the polar regions. The local temperature up there is rising, while the other places could experience lowering of the temperature. It's an "open fridge" effect. Al Gore was and remained just a politician, that's all. If you want to understand really of what's going on, read this essay http://vdesyatku.com/eng/index.php?option=...3&Itemid=25 Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted August 5, 2008 Author Report Posted August 5, 2008 The global warming did not stop. It's being developed in cycles. The truth is - it's not caused by human activities. It's caused by outer space forces and it started when the solar system entered more energetic area in our galaxy. The global warming covers not just Earth, but the sun and all the planets in solar system. On Earth it caused weakening of the magnetic field and intensified sun's radiation penetration to the polar regions. The local temperature up there is rising, while the other places could experience lowering of the temperature. It's an "open fridge" effect. Al Gore was and remained just a politician, that's all. If you want to understand really of what's going on, read this essay http://vdesyatku.com/eng/index.php?option=...3&Itemid=25 Fine. However the question remains, why isn't this big news? Has any of the major networks covered this FACT? I saw on a site cloesly linked to David Suzuki www.desmogblog.com they are raving on and on about a hot summer in UK. If a AGW website thinks a hot summer is an important and material FACT, then why wouldn't an entire decade of global cooling be relevant? The fact that this major flaw in the Al Gore ointment has been largely ignored by the major north american media media is yet another example of the media blindly drinking the left wing koolaid. This halt in global warming is a FACT. Given the immense amount of attention given to the "warming" of the earth, including major government policy, tax, emission and other legislation, it is outrageous that this has not been given it's due attention and being discussed at length. Quote
JB Globe Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 Al Gore, where are you now?Article excerpt: Link Isn't this worth discussing? Where are the alarmists on these facts? In our ongoing blather and panic about the earth warming at an alarming rate, isn't this newsworthy? Shouldn't this be front page news EVERYWHERE ON THE PLANET? Because we're dealing with a long term problem, meaning we don't base our predictions on short-term trends, such as a mini-cooling period of 5 years. If this cooling continues for another 5-10 years, then we have something. But as this graph shoes, this new data is constant with past "mini-cooling" periods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrum...ture_Record.png The temperature didn't just "plateau" - it sank in the early 80's, yet after that time it start to rapidly rise again. Until more evidence comes in this current "plateauing" is consistent with the temperature increases of the last 50 years. Quote
Riverwind Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 But as this graph shoes, this new data is constant with past "mini-cooling" periods.Past periods of short term cooling only happened after a major volcanic eruption. The fact that we are having a cooling trend during a period with no major volcanos makes it even more significant. That said, I agree we need to wait a few more years to know for sure. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
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