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[g_bambino]

I don't regard those people as Canadians.

Oooh... Well, you didn't clarify that we were all to classify things according to your strictures.

[CANADIEN]

Hollywood and the gliterati have been in love with anything which advances the homosexual lifestyle as good and proper and normal for at least twenty years now. And it's well known that whether a film will win an award has less to do with its quality than the political message it carries. Oddly enough this doesn't bother you in the least.

Inflation NOT factored in, of course. The film received adoring praise from the media, who were delighted at its homosexual message. Most of those I know who were caught up by all the fuss and went to see it, male and female, described it as pretty boring. But that isn't the point anyway. Titanic earned several times more, so did Mel Brook's dumb religious drama, and they were crappy movies too. And you know what, I don't care. None of them deserved to be funded by the taxpayer.

So what don't you tell us what movies are worthy enough that their producer should be entitled to have some of their tax money returned to them in the form of a tax credit. And don't give us the line of "no movie should qualify". After that other "fine" example of the homophobic drivel you're so fond of, I do not buy it.

[Argus]

So what don't you tell us what movies are worthy enough that their producer should be entitled to have some of their tax money returned to them in the form of a tax credit. And don't give us the line of "no movie should qualify". After that other "fine" example of the homophobic drivel you're so fond of, I do not buy it.

I could care less what you "buy". What I care about is people stealing money out of my pockets to fund their crappy so-called "art". If you want to fund brokeback mountain or whatever gay porn films get your rocks off then YOU pay for it.

[CANADIEN]

I don't regard those people as Canadians.

And you do not view gays and lesbians as normal, and you believe that people who do not shre your prejudice do not pay tazes. No wonder that you believe the government should decide what movies I can or cannot watch.

[g_bambino]

I could care less what you "buy". What I care about is people stealing money out of my pockets to fund their crappy so-called "art". If you want to fund brokeback mountain or whatever gay porn films get your rocks off then YOU pay for it.

Hmm... Well, I guess if you're okay with the US media juggernaut overwhelming Canadian film and television production, then no Crown funding for Canadian works is what you want. I suppose the gov't should also stop funding public schools because they steal money from your pocket to fund crappy, so-called "education."

[Argus]

Hmm... Well, I guess if you're okay with the US media juggernaut overwhelming Canadian film and television production, then no Crown funding for Canadian works is what you want.

I know you guys don't live in the real world, but here's a clue - virtually everything other than sports or news that we watch is made in the US. That boat has already left the docks, circled the globe a few hundred times and is still on the move. Funding "Canadian" crap that nobody watches is not going to change that one iota.

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I suppose the gov't should also stop funding public schools because they steal money from your pocket to fund crappy, so-called "education."

I believe in government funding necessary services. Education qualifies. Movies don't.

[CANADIEN]

I could care less what you "buy". What I care about is people stealing money out of my pockets to fund their crappy so-called "art". If you want to fund brokeback mountain or whatever gay porn films get your rocks off then YOU pay for it.

Actually, I have no personal interest in seeing Brokeback Mountain, but if you know it's porn you must have seen it

And last time I checked, a tax credit is actually a refund to a taxpayer of some of the tzxes he/she has paid.

And you do care what movies other people watch and don't watch... That's why you're so bent on dictating which taxpayers should get some of their money back based on your idea of the type of movie they should produce.

[Argus]

Actually, I have no personal interest in seeing Brokeback Mountain, but if you know it's porn you must have seen it

And last time I checked, a tax credit is actually a refund to a taxpayer of some of the tzxes he/she has paid.

And you do care what movies other people watch and don't watch... That's why you're so bent on dictating which taxpayers should get some of their money back based on your idea of the type of movie they should produce.

Anyone who is not required to pay full taxes is, in effect, getting money from my taxes, because I am so required.

And I've said repeatedly, government should not be in the business of funding any kind of art, other than what is necessary to adorn government premises. All it produces is crap, anyway, whatever its form. Those arguing that this results in censorship are hypocrites, anyway. If someone wanted to fund a film glorifying Nazism I bet they'd be howling if the government proposed funding it. Likewise if someone set up a porn movie producing studio I highly doubt most people would want it funded by government - unless it was gay porn of course, then the Left would embrace it as empowering and call anyone opposed to funding it a homophobe.

[CANADIEN]

Anyone who is not required to pay full taxes is, in effect, getting money from my taxes, because I am so required.

Therefore, seniors who get a tax credit due to their age are getting your money. So do the parents whyo get a tax credit for their minor children. And those people who get a tax credit for donating to charities, donating to political parties, using public transit, attending universities. :lol:

And if your true goal is just to end any funding of the arts (including people getting back some of their tax money), how come you have nothing to say against those people on the religious right whose objective (reflected in the proposed new rules) is to end a tax rebate only for the producers of those movies they don't like? That, as usual, they get a free pass from you is pretty indicative of your attitude.

[g_bambino]

I know you guys don't live in the real world, but here's a clue - virtually everything other than sports or news that we watch is made in the US. That boat has already left the docks, circled the globe a few hundred times and is still on the move. Funding "Canadian" crap that nobody watches is not going to change that one iota.

Thinking about it, a good chunk of what I watch (perhaps most of it) is Canadian or British in origin. Regardless, your statement just reinforces my point; without subsidies, there would be no Canadian film and television media. It seems that's okay with you, and so be it. But, fortunately, you don't have the ability to decide what gets made in this country and what doesn't. I'd miss Corner Gas, Holmes on Homes, and Billable Hours.

I believe in government funding necessary services. Education qualifies. Movies don't.

Ah, I see. Culture doesn't matter. Interesting.

[Remiel]

Let's take it a step further and imagine a world with no entertainment whatsoever. After all, it isn't necessary, right? Until you think about how much more messed up life would be without it.

[Argus]

Let's take it a step further and imagine a world with no entertainment whatsoever. After all, it isn't necessary, right? Until you think about how much more messed up life would be without it.

Perfect example of a Liberal today. I like it, therefore, the government should pay for it.

Make your own entertainment. Is that too difficult for you? If so, someone will certainly provide it if you want to pay for it. They've been doing so for eons now.

Government should not be spending its money, my money, on things the private sector does far better and far cheaper to boot.

[Argus]

Therefore, seniors who get a tax credit due to their age are getting your money. So do the parents whyo get a tax credit for their minor children. And those people who get a tax credit for donating to charities, donating to political parties, using public transit, attending universities. :lol:

Uhh... yes. Are you too ignorant to realize that is, in fact, true? Those credits are designed to ease the burden on specific individuals - but that means increasing the burden on others.

And if your true goal is just to end any funding of the arts (including people getting back some of their tax money), how come you have nothing to say against those people on the religious right whose objective (reflected in the proposed new rules) is to end a tax rebate only for the producers of those movies they don't like? That, as usual, they get a free pass from you is pretty indicative of your attitude.

I've made my opinion on funding for the arts known quite often over the years, and it rarely varies much. Maybe those religious people were only concerned about dirty movies but I would want to end all funding. It accomplishes nothing anyway.

[Argus]

Thinking about it, a good chunk of what I watch (perhaps most of it) is Canadian or British in origin. Regardless, your statement just reinforces my point; without subsidies, there would be no Canadian film and television media. It seems that's okay with you, and so be it. But, fortunately, you don't have the ability to decide what gets made in this country and what doesn't. I'd miss Corner Gas, Holmes on Homes, and Billable Hours.

Ah, I see. Culture doesn't matter. Interesting.

So you're okay with the government diverting millions of dollars away from health care so you can watch a half hour comedy show?

You don't actually pay taxes, do you?

[Remiel]

So you're okay with the government diverting millions of dollars away from health care so you can watch a half hour comedy show?

Two words: Marginal utility.

[guyser]

As far as I'm concerned if you want to make a film you should pay for it yourself. We should not be funding any of it.

Tell that to the auto industry, the oil fields, the manuf'ing sector.....um lets see who else?

Just everyone.

[Argus]

Tell that to the auto industry, the oil fields, the manuf'ing sector.....um lets see who else?

Just everyone.

There is a difference between helping to fund an industry which preserves or increases economic growth, and one one which contributes little or nothing the economy.

[AngusThermopyle]

Ah, I see. Culture doesn't matter. Interesting.

Have you actually seen what passes for Culture amongst Canada's "artistic" crowd? Given the utter garbage and irrelevant tripe they produce then I would say yes, it doesn't matter. If what they produce can be classified as "culture" then we'd all be better off without it.

When we give tax credits for Canadian cinematic efforts we are in fact operating a form of welfare. I've yet to see a Canadian movie that was worth wasting the time to watch, without Government assistance these movies would never see the light of day. There's a damn good reason for that. Simply put they are crap.

[guyser]

There is a difference between helping to fund an industry which preserves or increases economic growth, and one one which contributes little or nothing the economy.

Ok, stop giving grants, reduced taxes and supplements to religious groups.

[Remiel]

I've yet to see a Canadian movie that was worth wasting the time to watch, without Government assistance these movies would never see the light of day.

What Canadian movies have you watched lately?

[g_bambino]

So you're okay with the government diverting millions of dollars away from health care so you can watch a half hour comedy show?

That's right.

By your thinking, though, you should pay for your own damn healthcare. Government should not be spending its money, my money, on things the private sector does far better and far cheaper to boot, right?

Edited June 25, 2008 by g_bambino

[g_bambino]

Have you actually seen what passes for Culture amongst Canada's "artistic" crowd? Given the utter garbage and irrelevant tripe they produce then I would say yes, it doesn't matter. If what they produce can be classified as "culture" then we'd all be better off without it.

When we give tax credits for Canadian cinematic efforts we are in fact operating a form of welfare. I've yet to see a Canadian movie that was worth wasting the time to watch, without Government assistance these movies would never see the light of day. There's a damn good reason for that. Simply put they are crap.

Indeed, I have. But, what's crap and what's not is subjective. And, when it comes to art, of course not all is sucessful. But if none is made, then no good works will ever happen.

I'll admit that there are few decent Canadian movies - not none, but few. However, television production, which is also subsidised by tax dollars, has produced decent programming that has been picked up by other networks outside the country. Depending on how much a series costs to buy, that could mean that there's actually a net income for the country in return for the money granted. If the film industry could no the same thing...

[g_bambino]

Ok, stop giving grants, reduced taxes and supplements to religious groups.

Don't forget museums! Make them earn every penny. Ah, I can see it... The Royal WalMuseum of Ontario. Maybe the National iGallery of Canada.

[noahbody]

Nice try: There are few people in this country who believe 9/11 was a great thing, an even less who would make a movie about it.

So what if one of them does? Should it receive government funding or should the government be able to say, "No."?

I have little doubt that a tax credit to a movie claiming that 9/11 was God's punishment for homosexuality wouldn't be rejected by a sizeable chunk of the proponents of the proposed changes.

Do you as a taxpayer have a problem with this kind of film receiving taxpayer money? If this film came out, I find it hard to imagine the opposition wouldn't be screaming "hidden agenda!"

[CANADIEN]

Uhh... yes. Are you too ignorant to realize that is, in fact, true? Those credits are designed to ease the burden on specific individuals - but that means increasing the burden on others.

The money I pay in taxes comes from me, and when some of it returns to me as a tax credit, it's my money. Feel free to be ignorant enough of simple maths and whine about how it is a "burden" to you, it won't change facts.