DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2008 Author Report Posted June 25, 2008 (edited) IIRC , conjugal visits are restricted to a legal spouse in California. So her sessions with her lawyer, would occur in a room with guards . That is different. Her 2nd husband IS her lawyer. Here's a pretty ...Edit: here's a bit of a photo history of Susan Atkins...seems like pretty hard time she's doing. -------------------------------------- When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide... ---Helter Skelter: The Beatles Edited June 25, 2008 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
guyser Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 Her 2nd husband IS her lawyer. Oh... Well in that case he should be reported to the bar for sleeping with his client. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2008 Author Report Posted June 25, 2008 Oh...Well in that case he should be reported to the bar for sleeping with his client. Well, you'd best get right on it, then. --------------------------------- Ho, ho, ho---Green Giant Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
guyser Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 Edit: here's a bit of a photo history of Susan Atkins As i looked at all the photos one thought came to mind. They were all taken when behind bars. The freedom to move about is denied, as it should. Judging by her exemplary record and the writings of all who are charged with assessing her, I see no reason for her not to get special consideration for her terminal illness. But consideration does not mean any sort of release. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2008 Author Report Posted June 25, 2008 As i looked at all the photos one thought came to mind.They were all taken when behind bars. The freedom to move about is denied, as it should. Judging by her exemplary record and the writings of all who are charged with assessing her, I see no reason for her not to get special consideration for her terminal illness. But consideration does not mean any sort of release. Finding 'God' in prison is no surprise. Helps with parole. Seems you've fallen for it. I was around when this happened...maybe that has some bearing on one's opinion of Susan Atkins. As well, if one could look up "innocent victim" in a dictionary, it wouldn't shock me to see a picture of Sharon Tate next to the description. Indeed all those shots were taken in prison...but as you can see it isn't one of 'those prisons' (Corona, Chino Women's Penn) where you walk around in bright orange jumpsuits. She's had a pretty good life in there considering she should have been dead back in the 70s. ----------------------------------------- Thirty one years ago I sat in a courtroom with a jury and watched with others. I saw a young woman who giggled, snickered and shouted out insults, even while testifying about my daughter's last breath, she laughed. My family was ripped apart. If Susan Atkins is released to rejoin her family, where is the justice? ---Debra Tate reading her father's (now dead) statement re: Susan Atkins Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 I don't think you were paying attention, but I pointed out a weakness in our system because the state can come back with the same charges if they fail to win a prosecution. Except for O.J.'s lawyers, I haven't heard any legal experts make a case for his innocence.I'm one who thinks he was not guilty. As far as the reasons for the acquittal (assuming he was guilty) lousy lab work and record keeping was a real problem. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest American Woman Posted June 26, 2008 Report Posted June 26, 2008 The way I see it, anyone who has truly found God would realize what a truly horrendous crime they committed and be mortified by their actions, and their concern would be with asking God for forgiveness, not the courts for compassion. I can't understand how she feels she deserves any compassion after what she did. Fact is, she doesn't. Any lifer is expected to die in prison. Why someone with cancer should deserve more compassion than the next person is difficult to understand. Quote
guyser Posted June 26, 2008 Report Posted June 26, 2008 Finding 'God' in prison is no surprise. Helps with parole. Seems you've fallen for it. Perhaps you should read your own link. She has numerous citations for model behaviour , not just for finding God. I have not fallen for anything, but when one reads all her accolades for deeds done behind bars she should get consideration. but not released. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 26, 2008 Author Report Posted June 26, 2008 Perhaps you should read your own link. She has numerous citations for model behaviour , not just for finding God. I have not fallen for anything, but when one reads all her accolades for deeds done behind bars she should get consideration. but not released. Then we agree. Let her rot. Sharon Tate and everybody else at that house were way better human beings by far. Let's remember who stabbed/shot/gutted/hung/carved who. I really don't care that much about any of her accomplishments. I did notice she was as a fairly good painter. A certain Austrian was a fairly good painter. That's not the issue. ------------------------- You might not agree with me, but I always offer a lot of support. ---Vincent Bugliosi Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 26, 2008 Author Report Posted June 26, 2008 The way I see it, anyone who has truly found God would realize what a truly horrendous crime they committed and be mortified by their actions, and their concern would be with asking God for forgiveness, not the courts for compassion. I can't understand how she feels she deserves any compassion after what she did. Fact is, she doesn't. Any lifer is expected to die in prison. Why someone with cancer should deserve more compassion than the next person is difficult to understand. We're on the same page. I'm guessing you also recall August 1969... -------------------------------------- Where were you in '62? ---American Graffiti Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted June 29, 2008 Report Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) We're on the same page. I'm guessing you also recall August 1969... A lot was made of the murders after, so that's what I recall-- but even if I had no recollection of it, I'd feel the same way. She was given Life and because California ruled against the death penalty for awhile; she was given a reprieve since the state couldn't convert her sentence back again. So Life should mean Life, just as the sentence stands-- without allowances for "compassion." As I said earlier, this is why a lot of people who support the death penalty continue to support it-- because Life doesn't always mean Life, making 'but we can give them life without parole' a meaningless argument against the death penalty. I don't support the death penalty, but I don't support giving lifers who've committed horrendous crimes "compassion," either. One of the reasons besides those already mentioned (not being able to undo the crime, closure/justice for the victims' families) is I think the criminal/justice system should act as a 'deterrent,' and I don't think considering compassion or rewarding good behavior serves as a strong enough deterrent. Anyone can act 'good' once they are locked up, and being rewarded by changes in one's sentence for such behavior would be a real good motivation to do so and might make the idea of 'doing the time' not quite as bad. Edited June 29, 2008 by American Woman Quote
Argus Posted June 29, 2008 Report Posted June 29, 2008 She should get out and walk free as soon as Sharon Tate climbs out of her grave and does the same. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest American Woman Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Justice prevails. Atkins was unanimously denied compassionate release. A follower of Charles Manson who stabbed pregnant actress Sharon Tate to death nearly 40 years ago but is dying of brain cancer in a California prison was denied compassionate release Tuesday. The California Board of Parole released its unanimous decision on the release of Susan Atkins hours after a 90-minute hearing, during which it heard impassioned pleas from both sides. link Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Posted July 16, 2008 Justice prevails. Atkins was unanimously denied compassionate release.A follower of Charles Manson who stabbed pregnant actress Sharon Tate to death nearly 40 years ago but is dying of brain cancer in a California prison was denied compassionate release Tuesday. The California Board of Parole released its unanimous decision on the release of Susan Atkins hours after a 90-minute hearing, during which it heard impassioned pleas from both sides. link And so it goes... ---------------------------------- When the Moon is in the 7th house, and Jupiter aligned with Mars... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 24, 2008 Author Report Posted August 24, 2008 According to media sources, Susan Atkins has run up a $1.4 million dollar medical/hospital bill since our last posts which California taxpayers will be picking-up. This I suppose would be the strongest arguement re: letting her 'out'. If she's free, she'll need to make arangements like most every other American w/ brain cancer. ------------------------------------ Look down on me, you will see a fool. Look up at me, you will see your lord. Look straight at me, you will see yourself. ---Charles Manson Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted August 24, 2008 Report Posted August 24, 2008 It's ridiculous that a prisoner has the right to health care while ordinary citizens do not. I'd be livid if I were paying for her care while going without myself. Who wouldn't be? I'm thinking this will become yet another argument for the Death Penalty. I suppose in the meantime it will be the strongest argument for letting her out, as you said. Either way she wins. She either gets let out like she wanted or she gets great medical care courtesy of the citizens of California. Quote
guyser Posted August 25, 2008 Report Posted August 25, 2008 It's ridiculous that a prisoner has the right to health care while ordinary citizens do not. I'd be livid if I were paying for her care while going without myself. Who wouldn't be? Solution ? Commit and then get convicted of murder. All kidding aside, she cant work ergo she cannot purchase insurance. Catch 22. From all I know of you I doubt you would just let them all die from various diseases they have . Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 25, 2008 Report Posted August 25, 2008 Solution ? Commit and then get convicted of murder. Or maybe just get convicted of murder since one doesn't have to be guilty to get convicted. All kidding aside, she cant work ergo she cannot purchase insurance. Catch 22. From all I know of you I doubt you would just let them all die from various diseases they have . What you say is true, of course. Maybe prisoners should be allowed to work for minimum wage like so many other Americans are forced to do. Unfortunately, the ability to work doesn't guarantee insurance in the U.S. She's married, though, to a lawyer. So it makes me wonder why she's not obligated to have insurance; why it's being left to the state to pay for her treatment. Of course California has such a large population that her 1.4 million tab only amounts to about 40 cents a person, but it's the principle. It's just so wrong that health care is a "right" for criminals while it's not a right for hard working, law abiding citizens. You're right that I wouldn't just let prisoners die of various diseases, yet it's what the government is doing to law abiding, employed citizens who cannot afford insurance/health care. It can't help but grate on one's sense of what's 'fair.' Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 26, 2008 Report Posted August 26, 2008 Maybe prisoners should be allowed to work for minimum wage like so many other Americans are forced to do. Yeah that's true. In Amerika citizens get issued a work card and you must show up at the company printed on the card to work. Many of those are forced to work for minimum wage. If they quit, off to the concentration camp.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jbg Posted August 31, 2008 Report Posted August 31, 2008 Solution ? Commit and then get convicted of murder.All kidding aside, she cant work ergo she cannot purchase insurance. Catch 22. From all I know of you I doubt you would just let them all die from various diseases they have . Maybe the death penalty would have been best. Or failing that house her with general prison population. I resent paying for this trash. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted August 8, 2009 Author Report Posted August 8, 2009 August 9th, 1969...Sunday it will be 40 years. She's still alive, remarkably. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted August 8, 2009 Report Posted August 8, 2009 August 9th, 1969...Sunday it will be 40 years. She's still alive, remarkably. I hear Squeeky Fromme is up for parole. She used to be kind cute....not that that would have any effect on me if I sat on the parole board....but she's not so cute now.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted August 8, 2009 Author Report Posted August 8, 2009 I hear Squeeky Fromme is up for parole. She used to be kind cute....not that that would have any effect on me if I sat on the parole board....but she's not so cute now.... She is still a dedicated member of 'The Family", too. Crazy as a loon. Prison for Fromme was much like Van Houten's prison experience...Club Feddish. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted August 9, 2009 Report Posted August 9, 2009 (edited) Evidently Squeaky Fromme has been granted parole: According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Fromme, now 60, is set to be released on parole August 16. link Susan Atkins has been granted a parole hearing Sept. 2: Manson follower Susan Atkins, with six months to live, granted parole hearing Edited August 9, 2009 by American Woman Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 9, 2009 Author Report Posted August 9, 2009 (edited) Evidently Squeaky Fromme has been granted parole:According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Fromme, now 60, is set to be released on parole August 16. link Susan Atkins has been granted a parole hearing Sept. 2: Manson follower Susan Atkins, with six months to live, granted parole hearing I'll bet yah Squeaky gets picked up loitering too close to Corcoran prison before too long. Edited August 9, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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