Bernier in hot seat after reports

[Topaz]

You can always tell when the CPCers are desperate, guilty, and trying to distract attention from their corruption: they say anyone who criticizes them has a "vile hatred of the government" and then they slime the Liberals.

OR if you are watching question period and when THEY know they have done wrong they have very sober faces and are very quiet for a time. Anyone who has watch them in question period over some time, know when they lie! I think there should be a law in the Commons, that when the seating government is asked a question you have to give a reasonable answer and no lying.

[Wild Bill]

OR if you are watching question period and when THEY know they have done wrong they have very sober faces and are very quiet for a time. Anyone who has watch them in question period over some time, know when they lie! I think there should be a law in the Commons, that when the seating government is asked a question you have to give a reasonable answer and no lying.

Many folks have a chequered past. Not everyone has the courage to leave a bad scene to better themselves. Many in this thread seem perfectly willing to "stone" the poor woman! We've seen nothing to show that she herself is not of good character.

Frankly, in the absence of hard evidence that she has maintained her biker connections and has leaked sensitive information it sounds to me like some people are being shrewish and righteous. Perhaps it is a reaction to her obvious good looks.

All we know for sure is that here's a woman who made some mistakes when she was younger but fortunately straightened herself out. Unless something comes out that proves her to be evil it would behoove some of the more strident voices in this thread to put aside their zeal to make a partisan attack via a Tory's personal life and practice some basic human charity!

[guyser]

Many folks have a chequered past. Not everyone has the courage to leave a bad scene to better themselves. Many in this thread seem perfectly willing to "stone" the poor woman! We've seen nothing to show that she herself is not of good character.

I am pretty sure I read the whole thread and I cant find anything relating to her being stoned. In fact she is hardly mentioned except for her checkered past.

It has been security experts all weekend saying Yes this should have been looked into. Afterall she was named a travelling partner of his, which I can only assume to mean she gets clearance to be with him and privy to at least some things he does. (Not to read his communiques etc-more like job talk on an airplane.)

All we know for sure is that here's a woman who made some mistakes when she was younger but fortunately straightened herself out. Unless something comes out that proves her to be evil it would behoove some of the more strident voices in this thread to put aside their zeal to make a partisan attack via a Tory's personal life and practice some basic human charity!

While I agree to some degree, the more prudent approach would have been the govt doing diligence. That way when the shit hit the fan, the CPC could stand up and say she has been cleared and MYOB.

Case closed. But they didnt, and the result is this.

[BubberMiley]

All we know for sure is that here's a woman who made some mistakes when she was younger but fortunately straightened herself out.

She wasn't that much younger than she is now, but that isn't the point. CPCers would have you believe that it's a witch hunt against a woman of questionable virtue, but it has nothing to do with that. It's the fact that she was a security concern because she may have been privy to classified information that could be used by organized crime against the government. The government failed in its job to make sure such security concerns were addressed, and now they'll go to any lengths, including saying it's based on "hatred of the government" to try to distract from their complete incompetence in this matter.

[noahbody]

It's the fact that she was a security concern because she may have been privy to classified information that could be used by organized crime against the government.

I'm not sure which is less likely,the mob asking her for a favour or she doing the mob a favour? Apparently, since the mob gave her fiancee the ultimatium of marry her and you're out, it would appear she and the mob weren't exaclty close. And since the mob tried to ruin her plans for marriage, I'd say she likely wasn't a big supporter of the mob.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news...a6-ad69c391a634

Knowing that, do you think she was the threat?

[BubberMiley]

Knowing that, do you think she was the threat?

I have no idea if she was a threat or not. I just know that security people in the know felt that she should have been vetted.

But one doesn't have to "like" the mob to be beholden to it.

[noahbody]

I have no idea if she was a threat or not. I just know that security people in the know felt that she should have been vetted.

But one doesn't have to "like" the mob to be beholden to it.

Well to be a threat, she would have to be "in"with the mob. It appears she was "out." Also, she would have to have access to information that was relevant to the mob. Please tell me why the mob would have any interest in Bernier's portfolio.

If the mob wanted to infiltrate the government, they'd run someone for office. Maybe they have done so. The mafia did it rather successfully.

[Who's Doing What?]

Wow, pretty convincing. Sadly ignores the fact.

This Government is more accountable, and transparent than any we have seen in 15 years. It has more integrity than any Liberal Government in the last 50 years.

But maybe repeating three words, somehow detracts from your lack of an argument.

The only stench around here wafts up from your lame attempts at slamming anyone who doesn't share your vile hatred for the Government. Your inability to justify your ignorant attacks is symptomatic of a lack of integrity on your part!

LMFAO.

When was the last time a Govt. sued people who wanted to investigate it, so that they could avoid answering questions in the HoC, or to simply bully the people asking questions?

Funny though, I don't remember the Liberals saying at every turn they were going to be Accountable, Transparent and have Integrity. The CPC put those words on banners that hung on podiums where Harper spoke.

So now I am ignorant. ooooo PERSONAL ATTACK!!!!! OMG What ever should I do??? What would you do Micheal? This is far more blatant of a personal attack than what you cry about, so I can assume that your response would be a complete hissy fit. No worries, a personal attack from you is like praise from a parent. If I have managed to piss you off, I must be right.

Sorry Bluth baby, I know Harper is your hero and you likely have a poster of him on your bedroom ceiling,( I am thinking the one in the cowboy hat) but his Govt. has behaved shamefully on several occasions. Starting within hours of being elected. They are no different from the Liberals that you hate oh-so-very-much, and that is a fact. I hope that little point doesn't disturb your sleeping pattern.

[Who's Doing What?]

The promise of change in these area helped propel Harper in the election.

After a few years of power, it will be difficult to run on those areas again when the evidence is there to show a controlling party on every aspect of information and a lack of transparency on a host of other issues. They can try to say the Liberals were worse but that is never the position you want to be running from in an election.

As far as I am concerned Harper lost a good chunk of integrity within hours of being elected when he brought Emerson over. This was the exact thing he said was "dirty" under the Liberals. Since then he has shown that instead of transparency this Govt. thrives on secrecy, and when it comes to accountability there just simply is none. MP's under fire are not allowed to answer questions, people who ask the tough questions get sued, and everytime something gets brought up that they are ashamed of, or have no excuse for, they simply cry...(everybody now) B-B-But the LIBERALS......

[Who's Doing What?]

Just a rough mathematical comparison, but the Tories have to steal at least another $198 million or so before the next election to even tie the Liberals on that count.

I know they can make it if they try hard.

HAhahahaha

Oh man I love you CPC'ers.

Would it matter to you if on two different occasions your house was broken into?

On one occasion they steal a $1000 worth of your wifes jewelry and on the second occasion they stole $5000 worth of electronics.

Aren't both crimes?

Aren't both illegal and punishable by law?

Isn't the sanctity of your home violated both times?

So the Liberals were better theives. They stole more money. They also had over and extra decade to set up their "marks" than the CPC has had. For only having a minority Govt. in power for a couple of years they are doing pretty well.

The bottom line is both party's are/were crooks.

It is like I am saying, "That guy killed 2 innocent people he is a bad man." Then CPC supporters say, "Well Hitler killed 6 million innocent people so he was worse, and by comparison the guy who killed only two people is an OK guy."

[Who's Doing What?]

Many folks have a chequered past. Not everyone has the courage to leave a bad scene to better themselves. Many in this thread seem perfectly willing to "stone" the poor woman! We've seen nothing to show that she herself is not of good character.

Frankly, in the absence of hard evidence that she has maintained her biker connections and has leaked sensitive information it sounds to me like some people are being shrewish and righteous. Perhaps it is a reaction to her obvious good looks.

All we know for sure is that here's a woman who made some mistakes when she was younger but fortunately straightened herself out. Unless something comes out that proves her to be evil it would behoove some of the more strident voices in this thread to put aside their zeal to make a partisan attack via a Tory's personal life and practice some basic human charity!

I have nothing against this woman. She looks like a hot dish any man in power would like on his arm. So she dated some bikers. It really isn't a big deal except that we are talking about a Govt. official who is our Minister of Foreign Affairs.

At the very least with her questionable past she should have been interviewed by someone. It isn't like she would be smuggling pounds of heroin into Canada using her position with Bernier, but it could happen, and I think that is what the stuffed suits are up in arms about.

Now if only Dion or Layton could bag himself a pair of twin strippers. I bet that would actually help them in popularity. LMAO

[jbg]

As far as I am concerned Harper lost a good chunk of integrity within hours of being elected when he brought Emerson over.

There's a difference between bribing a member, on the even of a confidence vote (whicy PMPM asked be deferred) with a Cabinet seat and bringing over an apolitical trade expert to serve in a new cabinet when no real confidence vote (that the Libs would take the government down on) is on the immediate horizon.

Now if only Dion or Layton could bag himself a pair of twin strippers. I bet that would actually help them in popularity. LMAO

The way Svend, Graham and Brison can?

This was the exact thing he said was "dirty" under the Liberals. Since then he has shown that instead of transparency this Govt. thrives on secrecy, and when it comes to accountability there just simply is none. MP's under fire are not allowed to answer questions, people who ask the tough questions get sued, and everytime something gets brought up that they are ashamed of, or have no excuse for, they simply cry...(everybody now) B-B-But the LIBERALS......

Answers to questions should be controlled and people should not be going off on their own agenda.

[Shakeyhands]

There's a difference between bribing a member, on the even of a confidence vote (whicy PMPM asked be deferred) with a Cabinet seat and bringing over an apolitical trade expert to serve in a new cabinet when no real confidence vote (that the Libs would take the government down on) is on the immediate horizon.

The way Svend, Graham and Brison can?

Answers to questions should be controlled and people should not be going off on their own agenda.

Wow...... Where do you start with this post?

Please cite, evidence of any sort, that there was an MP that was bribed (other then Cadman, which Harper has admitted was offered "something" by the CPC) by the Liberals.

Second, your thinly veiled homophobic attack on Robinson, Graham and Brison is something you really should be ashamed of, sadly, I know you aren't.

Is this the best you can do?

[BubberMiley]

Second, your thinly veiled homophobic attack on Robinson, Graham and Brison is something you really should be ashamed of, sadly, I know you aren't.

However, he might come up with a weaselly, lame excuse for his homophobic attacks, like he does when he calls Obama a terrorist because his stepfather was a Muslim.

[jdobbin]

If the mob wanted to infiltrate the government, they'd run someone for office. Maybe they have done so. The mafia did it rather successfully.

The RCMP report a few years ago simply mentioned that their sources told them that the bikers were trying to infiltrate the federal government. That doesn't necessarily mean running someone for office.

I find it hard to believe that the Tories are so dismissive of this whole thing. Bernier showed very poor judgment and he opened himself to public scrutiny of his personal life because state security could have been threatened. At the very least, Harper should have agreed that spouses who travel with ministers should be subject to RCMP background checks.

[jdobbin]

Second, your thinly veiled homophobic attack on Robinson, Graham and Brison is something you really should be ashamed of, sadly, I know you aren't.

Homophobic attacks or accusations of someone being homosexual are something we see hear frequently and it should stop.

[madmax]

Just a rough mathematical comparison, but the Tories have to steal at least another $198 million or so before the next election to even tie the Liberals on that count.

I know they can make it if they try hard.

Are you suggesting that Bernier and the Hells Angels will do the dirty work for the CPC?

[madmax]

All we know for sure is that here's a woman who made some mistakes when she was younger but fortunately straightened herself out. Unless something comes out that proves her to be evil it would behoove some of the more strident voices in this thread to put aside their zeal to make a partisan attack via a Tory's personal life and practice some basic human charity!

Clearly there is room for CPC supporters to give each other a warm fuzzy hug, but have no problem, throwing stones of their own. This is the hypocraZy that I think makes it so much fun for others to turn the needle around and give them a little pin prick. And deservingly so. Bernier has been a disappointment on many occasions as an MP and as a Cabinet Minister.

With regards to ones association with Outlaw bikers.... It is just not that easy to walk away. Once in, you in, and if you have been close to very Recent Murders, and activities, then there is EVERY reason to suggest that a proper vetting occur.

It would be better to find her not on the take, or being extorted by outlaw bikers for information. You have little idea, how clean her break from the Bikers were.

The coincidence of her being tied to outlaw bikers and him being seen with them should be enough for cause for concern.

And that doesn't suggest that anything is wrong or out of the ordinary. It is just common sense.

Something the CPC abandon everytime they are under the microscope.

[madmax]

Knowing that, do you think she was the threat?

This article you linked sets off all the alarm bells. Definitely cause for concern. Mob Connections, Organized Crime, Murder, Outlaw Bikers, Hells Angels and their affliate Rockers, and a man who believes while trying to help the police says in no uncertain terms...

André Chouinard was the first Rocker to return Sirois's calls after he and Couillard split. Sirois testified he felt it was necessary to clear the air about Couillard. He said he had confided a lot to her during their brief marriage and heard that she might have betrayed those confidences as their relationship fell apart.

When Sirois testified at a trial in 2003, he elaborated on what he told Couillard when they were married. He alleged Boucher was so suspicious of Couillard, he once put a contract out on her.

Boucher's problem with Couillard apparently had to do with the fact she had dated Gilles Giguère, an associate of Robert Savard, a loan shark who operated in Montreal with Boucher's blessing.

****Giguère was shot to death in April 1996.

In 1995, Giguère, Savard and lawyer Gilles Daudelin were arrested along with Couillard after the Wolverine squad investigated alleged threats and the attempted extortion of a Montreal real estate agent.

Couillard was quickly released without being charged and reportedly filed a complaint to the provincial police ethics commission. According to a representative at the commission office, the complaint never made it to the hearing stage.

"SHE MIGHT HAVE BETRAYED THOSE CONFIDENCES AS THEIR RELATIONSHIP FELL APART."

You can't write a better script.

[Wild Bill]

Clearly there is room for CPC supporters to give each other a warm fuzzy hug, but have no problem, throwing stones of their own. This is the hypocraZy that I think makes it so much fun for others to turn the needle around and give them a little pin prick. And deservingly so. Bernier has been a disappointment on many occasions as an MP and as a Cabinet Minister.

With regards to ones association with Outlaw bikers.... It is just not that easy to walk away. Once in, you in, and if you have been close to very Recent Murders, and activities, then there is EVERY reason to suggest that a proper vetting occur.

It would be better to find her not on the take, or being extorted by outlaw bikers for information. You have little idea, how clean her break from the Bikers were.

The coincidence of her being tied to outlaw bikers and him being seen with them should be enough for cause for concern.

And that doesn't suggest that anything is wrong or out of the ordinary. It is just common sense.

Something the CPC abandon everytime they are under the microscope.

It wasn't that long ago that the Liberals were caught handing out envelopes of money in Italian restaurants in Montreal, for illegal purposes.

Don't recall any voices asking to vette all those MPs and all their associates. After all "that doesn't suggest that anything is wrong or out of the ordinary. It is just common sense."

[jbg]

Please cite, evidence of any sort, that there was an MP that was bribed (other then Cadman, which Harper has admitted was offered "something" by the CPC) by the Liberals.

Stronach's being given a Cabinet post so she'd cross the aisle, deducting one vote from the non-confidence column and addiing one to the confidence column.

Second, your thinly veiled homophobic attack on Robinson, Graham and Brison is something you really should be ashamed of, sadly, I know you aren't.

I have nothing against this woman. She looks like a hot dish any man in power would like on his arm. So she dated some bikers.

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Now if only Dion or Layton could bag himself a pair of twin strippers. I bet that would actually help them in popularity. LMAO

Homophobic attacks or accusations of someone being homosexual are something we see hear frequently and it should stop.

If jokes can be made about the relationship between heterosexual politicians and strippers why not jokes about inter-gay relationships? My joke was a response to WDW's similar joke about strippers. Don't take yourselves so seriously.

However, he might come up with a weaselly, lame excuse for his homophobic attacks, like he does when he calls Obama a terrorist because his stepfather was a Muslim.

I said nothing about OsamaObama being Muslim. In fact I use the strikeout method to emphasize that my views are qute the contrary. I could hardly criticize his ties to a treasonous Christian preacher who "damns" America otherwise. Edited May 13, 2008 by jbg

[madmax]

It wasn't that long ago that the Liberals were caught handing out envelopes of money in Italian restaurants in Montreal, for illegal purposes.

Don't recall any voices asking to vette all those MPs and all their associates.

Money Envelopes= Mulroney/Schrieber...too

This isn't about them either. No point in trying to change the subject.

Bernier+Travelling Companion+ROCKERS+MOB+HELLS ANGELS....

How did he meet his "Travelling Companion"? Was it in a strip club?

[madmax]

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Edited May 13, 2008 by madmax

[Wild Bill]

How did he meet his "Travelling Companion"? Was it in a strip club?

I sincerely hope so! I am so bored with the "Ned Flanders" image portrayed by our so-called political leaders. Totally out of touch with the common man.

Give me a Ralph Klein drinking beer in a corner bar or a Chuck Cadman repairing a guitar amplifier for some rock and roller any day.

I'll never forget volunteering as a scrutineer one election. You could tell the Liberal guys. They all wore 3 piece suits!

What the hell would you do on a night out with Dion? Eat Brie and drink Chablis while listening to him explain how he intends to personally save the planet?

I'd rather watch paint dry!

[noahbody]

How did he meet his "Travelling Companion"? Was it in a strip club?

You might be on to something. Maybe it was a setup by Judy Sgro.