How jobs are affected when regions are "officially" bilingua

[Pat Coghlan]

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...577&k=19900

[Argus]

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...577&k=19900

The poor mounties. They've been scrambling to hire lots of visible minorities, women, disabled, lesbian albinos and whatnot, to the point pretty much the only white males they've hired for years have been Francophones. The problem is not enough of the visible minority albino lesbians speak French as well as English (actually most don't even speak English very well) despite the lowered requirements.

I guess they'll just have to continue lowering requirements to the point they get enough black lesbian disabled French speaking police officers to serve the country as the courts deem proper.

Funny how when the politicians and courts come up with these kinds of rules and decisions they never apply them to themselves. I mean, if we said "Okay, every judge or politician who can't speak French - out the door right now!" they'd immediately come up with a reason why that wasn't required.

[Leafless]

Why go all the way out to 'officially bilingual' New Brunswick when you basically have the same type of federal dictatorial language laws imposed on a majority English speaking population.

Ottawa, Ontario, in a province that is NOT OFFICIALLY BILINGUAL has been federally bullied into a postion similar to 'officially bilingual New Brunswick'.

The worst part is the majority English speaking residents of Ottawa sit on their hands and do nothing about this horrible discriminary display of linguistic discrimination.

Meanwhile, their unemployed unilingual English speaking sons and daughters suffer in silent anguish.

The French pour into Ottawa from Quebec and surrounding Ontario small French towns obtaining all the phoney bilingual postions, federal, municilple and private, couresty of 'a la federal government', the government that destroys English speaking culture.

Edited April 11, 2008 by Leafless

[Borg]

Why go all the way out to 'officially bilingual' New Brunswick when you basically have the same type of federal dictatorial language laws imposed on a majority English speaking population.

Ottawa, Ontario, in a province that is NOT OFFICIALLY BILINGUAL has been federally bullied into a postion similar to 'officially bilingual New Brunswick'.

The worst part is the majority English speaking residents of Ottawa sit on their hands and do nothing about this horrible discriminary display of linguistic discrimination.

Meanwhile, their unemployed unilingual English speaking sons and daughters suffer in silent anguish.

The French pour into Ottawa from Quebec and surrounding Ontario small French towns obtaining all the phoney bilingual postions, federal, municilple and private, couresty of 'a la federal government', the government that destroys English speaking culture.

Despite your ranting tone - there is more than a grain of truth to your scribing

Borg

[Peter F]

Another emenently sensible decision from the SCC. I love the SCC.

[mcqueen625]

I live in New Brunswick and the reality is that the people of New Brunswick were never given a say on our province becoming "Officially Bilingual," that was done by Richard Hatfield who was facing reelection and sine the French speaking people of this province traditionally voted only Liberal, so to entice them to vote P.C. he arbitrarily decalred NB to be "Officially Bilingual. The truth is that after almost 50 years less that 30% of the people in NB speak fluent French.

Sure we have instituted a French Immersion Program, but according to former Education Minister and Acadian, Elvy Robichaud; "The French Immersion Program in New Brunswick was not designed, nor was it ever expected to produce fluently bilingual graduates." At best most graduates of teh French Immersion Program graduate classified as functionally bilingual and fluency, not functionality is the requirement for most government jobs, both federally and provincially.

After Richard Hatfield, stupidly made his declaration without the input or the permissions of NB citizens forever saddled us with a situation wherre the majorit are now little more than 2nd class citizens. Then along came another P.C. moron, Bernard Lord and had this designation entrenched into the Constitution of Canada, again without input or premission of teh people.

Any program or initiative which profoundly affects the lives of the people, as does bilingualism, the people should have been consulted and been able to vote, yeah or nay, before politicians are allowed to implement any changes.

[Argus]

I live in New Brunswick and the reality is that the people of New Brunswick were never given a say on our province becoming "Officially Bilingual," that was done by Richard Hatfield who was facing reelection and sine the French speaking people of this province traditionally voted only Liberal, so to entice them to vote P.C. he arbitrarily decalred NB to be "Officially Bilingual. The truth is that after almost 50 years less that 30% of the people in NB speak fluent French.

The politicians understand the math. It's fairly obvious, though the media don't talk about it. If Francophones make up a sizeable minority somewhere, you can get elected there by getting their support. Francophones outside Quebec vote as a tribe, and their only concern is what is best for them. So if you appeal directly to them - ignore everyone else - you'll probably win. For example, there are ridings here in Ottawa which are no more than 20% French, but have NEVER been represented by an Anglophone, and never will be. All the parties understand this. Every election, there are three Francophones running for the major parties for those ridings. To run an Anglo is to allow all those French votes to get away. And if you can get 20% of the vote, you only need a small percentage of the rest in a three way race.

It's no different from ethnic ridings. If 20% of the riding is Muslim/Hindu/Sikh/Asian, you better run a similar ethnic candidate. Because whoever does will win unless someone else has overwhelming support - or runs their own ethnic.

100 votes

20 automatically go to the ethnic/Francophone from his tribe

80 votes left in the riding

Ethnic/Francophone.....Party 2......Party 3

16...............................34.............30

As you can see, if the ethnic group (or French) supports "their" candidate, they will win that riding easily, even though their support among the remainder of the populace is far less than the other two candidates. And that's true of any election. If you can round up the ethnic vote you've got it made. And that is why, in almost any riding with a substantial tribe, be it French or Muslim or Hindu or Asian, ALL the candidates will come from that tribe. The majority (ie, english Canadians) won't vote exclusively for their own "tribe" because they've outgrown that kind of tribal (racist) mentality, but the other tribes, including Francophones, will. So with the majority vote split up, indifferent to the racial/ethnic/religious makeup of the candidate, it's easy to win if you play the race card.

And it's not like most politicians have any morals or ethnics.

[Leafless]

And it's not like most politicians have any morals or ethnics.

You are basically saying cultural discrimination wins elections.

So what else could one possibly expect from corrupt tin pot dictators in 'officially multicultural' Canada.

[Peter F]

The majority (ie, english Canadians) won't vote exclusively for their own "tribe" because they've outgrown that kind of tribal (racist) mentality, but the other tribes, including Francophones, will.

Doe's anyone else here see the inherent contradiction in that statement? or is it just me...

[Leafless]

Doe's anyone else here see the inherent contradiction in that statement? or is it just me...

I think what Argus is trying to say is that English speaking Canadians do not support tribalism the same way francophones and ethnic immigrants do.

But I think it would be a good idea if majority English speaking Canadians become less civilized and more primitive and find a party and leader that will support THEIR ideologies, similar to the way francophones and immigrants are being catered to, by our corrupt federal parliamentarians.

[seabee]

It sounds as if the "tribalist cheese-eating surrender monkeys" are taking over the "gencidal anglo-supremacists".

[Wilber]

There has been quite a bit of talk lately about returning to a BC provincial police force to replace the RCMP in that function. One more argument to support that position.

[Leafless]

It sounds as if the "tribalist cheese-eating surrender monkeys" are taking over the "gencidal anglo-supremacists".

Anglo-supremacist?

The only genocidal linguistic supremacist in Canada are the fanatical, extreme French variety that tie piano wire around its victims necks or detonate explosive devices or fire bombs and sends 'separatist' to our federal government to represent that supreme French linguistic province.

Edited April 13, 2008 by Leafless

[Argus]

Doe's anyone else here see the inherent contradiction in that statement? or is it just me...

I think what you're getting at is that if one makes any generalized statement about a particular ethnic, racial or linguistic group which might be construed as unflattering then it's racist - regardless of the truth involved.

That's a popular believe among those who aren't very bright.

[Argus]

It sounds as if the "tribalist cheese-eating surrender monkeys" are taking over the "gencidal anglo-supremacists".

Francophone makes ultra bigoted, arrogant, contemptuous comment about Anglophones - proud nationalist.

Anglophone expresses hesitant doubt about the wisdom of discriminatory policies - mindless bigoted, anti-French scum.

That appears to be the view of the PCs of the chattering class. And certainly of many Quebecois.

In fact, Quebecois society embraces Francophones who have repeatedly made the kind of bigoted linguistic comments which would have instantly destroyed any English politician, unionist, academic or media/artistic member.

Edited April 13, 2008 by Argus