Who's Doing What? Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) See, there are all your myths wrapped up into one word: "Nativer(sic) feel they own and are entitled to the entire country. Pathetic."You want to talk about "feelings". I presented a legal argument. You lose. Ever talk to a navitve who didn't FEEL that their land was unjustly taken, and should rightfully still be theirs? You lose. Edited March 26, 2008 by Who's Doing What? Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
charter.rights Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) Ever talk to a navitve who didn't FEEL that their land was unjustly taken, and should rightfully still be theirs? You lose. There is no feeling involved. The natives "know" what land is their's and have a legal argument to back it up! You still lose. Edited March 26, 2008 by charter.rights Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Jerry J. Fortin Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 Give them self government in exchange for dropping the outstanding land claims. Quote
Drea Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) There is no feeling involved. The natives "know" what land is their's and have a legal argument to back it up!You still lose. So are you giving your home to native land claims? Or are you simply a "renter" who has no stake in ownership? I find those that don't own anything don't want anyone else to own anything either. A while back *110% of British Columbia was "claimed" by natives... I guess they'll have to as Alaska if they can have that coastal area. Good luck with that. *including the cities Kind of reminds me of the story of the hen... Who will help me clear the land? Not I said the native Who will help me build the buildings? Not I said the native Who will help me reap the profits from my clearing and building? I will! I will! said the native. Edited March 26, 2008 by Drea Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
AngusThermopyle Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 Give them self government in exchange for dropping the outstanding land claims. I agree with what you say, but with a few caveats. I say settle the claims in an equitable manner. In other words don't just say "okay, heres everything you want", settle them in a manner acceptable to the majority. Sure, give them self government, let them be separate nations with all that entails. In other words, take over their own lives and draw the perpetually extended hand back and start providing for themselves. Fill those hands with tools rather than government cheques. With the ability to provide for themselves as a nation the level of self esteme might also grow solving many of the roots of the present situation. Put an end to this perpetual strife and the demands for more that go with it. If the concept of separate nations is desired then the responsibilities that accompany such should be accepted and the welfare attitude dropped in favour of one that encourages self sufficiency. The upside is that we wouldn't be dishing out 12 billion or so a year in perpetuity. At least thats the ideal situation. I think we all realize that in reality the demands wouldn't cease and would only be renewed as time progressed. As an aside for Rue. You have stated many times that a Native will not refer to themselves as Indians. Sorry Rue but on this one you are flat out wrong, as wrong as can be. Plenty of them use the word Indian. Just last night my young friend visited me with some of his friends. They like to have a sounding board for their complaints about their fellow Natives. Every one of the four used the name Indian repeatedly in reference to their peers. As I've said before. Because one has an idealized view of Native society does not impart legitimacy to that view, merely wishfull thinking. The good news is that we just hired two more young Native guys and I think that one of them will work out just fine. The other I don't think will. It's not a good sign when you don't show up for work on your first two days and then as an excuse offer up the fact that you were at a birthday party and got drunk for two days. Still, if we get one out of two then thats something positive. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
soowas Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 I agree with what you say, but with a few caveats. I say settle the claims in an equitable manner. In other words don't just say "okay, heres everything you want", settle them in a manner acceptable to the majority. Sure, give them self government, let them be separate nations with all that entails. In other words, take over their own lives and draw the perpetually extended hand back and start providing for themselves. Fill those hands with tools rather than government cheques. With the ability to provide for themselves as a nation the level of self esteme might also grow solving many of the roots of the present situation.Put an end to this perpetual strife and the demands for more that go with it. If the concept of separate nations is desired then the responsibilities that accompany such should be accepted and the welfare attitude dropped in favour of one that encourages self sufficiency. The upside is that we wouldn't be dishing out 12 billion or so a year in perpetuity. At least thats the ideal situation. I think we all realize that in reality the demands wouldn't cease and would only be renewed as time progressed. As an aside for Rue. You have stated many times that a Native will not refer to themselves as Indians. Sorry Rue but on this one you are flat out wrong, as wrong as can be. Plenty of them use the word Indian. Just last night my young friend visited me with some of his friends. They like to have a sounding board for their complaints about their fellow Natives. Every one of the four used the name Indian repeatedly in reference to their peers. As I've said before. Because one has an idealized view of Native society does not impart legitimacy to that view, merely wishfull thinking. The good news is that we just hired two more young Native guys and I think that one of them will work out just fine. The other I don't think will. It's not a good sign when you don't show up for work on your first two days and then as an excuse offer up the fact that you were at a birthday party and got drunk for two days. Still, if we get one out of two then thats something positive. OH GREAT WHITE FATHER, PLEASE SAVE ME FROM MY NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS, OH GREAT ONE, PROVIDE ME WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND IGNORANCE TO HAND DOWN TO MY FELLOW NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND ALL GENERATIONS TO COME, SO YOU, GREAT ONE, MAY CLAIM ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER MY THINKING, MY LIFE AND ALL GENERATIONS TO COME. Quote
Drea Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 OH GREAT WHITE FATHER, PLEASE SAVE ME FROM MY NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS, OH GREAT ONE, PROVIDE ME WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND IGNORANCE TO HAND DOWN TO MY FELLOW NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND ALL GENERATIONS TO COME, SO YOU, GREAT ONE, MAY CLAIM ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER MY THINKING, MY LIFE AND ALL GENERATIONS TO COME. We've already given you welfare for life, free housing, free post secondary education, tax free status.... It is not time for natives to grow up (if our government will let them) and get off the nanny teet. Now is the time for you to stand on your own two feet little grasshoppa. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
M.Dancer Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 OH GREAT WHITE FATHER, PLEASE SAVE ME FROM MY NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS, OH GREAT ONE, PROVIDE ME WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND IGNORANCE TO HAND DOWN TO MY FELLOW NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND ALL GENERATIONS TO COME, SO YOU, GREAT ONE, MAY CLAIM ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER MY THINKING, MY LIFE AND ALL GENERATIONS TO COME. Your wish is granted, but first you must promise to go to school, stay in school, work hard in school and to graduate. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DangerMouse Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 We've already given you welfare for life, free housing, free post secondary education, tax free status....It is not time for natives to grow up (if our government will let them) and get off the nanny teet. Now is the time for you to stand on your own two feet little grasshoppa. I don't think the attitude will ever change as expressed bypeople like Drea. The indians have paid dearly for everything ever since the first European boat people arrived. When the europeans got off the boat they smelled like pee and poop. They then had to murder, rape the women and children, squat on the land, commit acts of arson, to get the land so they can have their tax money to whine about. You're telling the natives to grow up with your comment at the end of your posting? It's the other way around? The right-wingers including some of those so-called leaders who are all worse then kids with thei assbackward attitudes. If you don't like it Drea go back to Europe and when you get off the boat you'll surely smell like pee and poop. Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 OH GREAT WHITE FATHER, PLEASE SAVE ME FROM MY NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS, OH GREAT ONE, PROVIDE ME WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND IGNORANCE TO HAND DOWN TO MY FELLOW NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND ALL GENERATIONS TO COME, SO YOU, GREAT ONE, MAY CLAIM ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER MY THINKING, MY LIFE AND ALL GENERATIONS TO COME. Now this would appear to be an example of what I was talking about in reference to our two new hires. On the one hand we have the guy who I think will work out well. He's on time (so far) puts in a good days work, is freindly and has a real desire to earn his Journeyman papers and build a life. On the other hand we have the guy who doesn't show up for work on the first two days and uses a birthday party as an excuse. From the vapid drivel posted about great fathers I would say the individual who made them would fall into the second of those two examples. If this individual wishes respect be shown to them then I suggest they try earning it rather than petulantly demanding it. Or could it be that the concept of being self sufficient is just far too horrendous for this peurile petulant individual to contemplate. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
Drea Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 Wouldn't need a boat a new fangled thingy called an "airplane" would suffice... if I were so inclined. But what on earth would I do with my native percentage? My great grandmother was a native woman who married a frenchman... and holy smokes I didn't even need a status card to get by. Of course you could go "home" too! Half of you belongs in Asia and half of you belongs in Europe. You are half white! Don't ever forget -- the native "race" is not a race, but a blend of oriental and white european. You owe your very existence to those who came from other continents in more ways than one. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
DangerMouse Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 Now this would appear to be an example of what I was talking about in reference to our two new hires.On the one hand we have the guy who I think will work out well. He's on time (so far) puts in a good days work, is freindly and has a real desire to earn his Journeyman papers and build a life. On the other hand we have the guy who doesn't show up for work on the first two days and uses a birthday party as an excuse. From the vapid drivel posted about great fathers I would say the individual who made them would fall into the second of those two examples. If this individual wishes respect be shown to them then I suggest they try earning it rather than petulantly demanding it. Or could it be that the concept of being self sufficient is just far too horrendous for this peurile petulant individual to contemplate. Your verbal diahrea already makes me sick.... Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 Your verbal diahrea already makes me sick.... Does anyone else see the unintended irony of this? Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
charter.rights Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 Give them self government in exchange for dropping the outstanding land claims. "Give" them? ha ha ha ha ha. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees their aboriginal right. Indian Affairs says that means self-government is a right - a no brainer. Perhaps if Canada settles all our differences with First Nations, they might just let us keep a little bit. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
AngusThermopyle Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 they might just let us keep a little bit. It always seems to come down to this. It doesn't matter how reasonable Canadians want to be, the Native agenda is always one of more and then some more. Sure we'll keep some. Maybe we'll let them keep a little bit of what has been built and developed by us, not them. After all what of significance has been financed developed and built by them, other than a wood hut that is? Would they also want to keep health care, educational systems and social systems? If they did attempt to take everything where do they think the aforementioned would come from? Them? Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
DangerMouse Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 Wouldn't need a boat a new fangled thingy called an "airplane" would suffice... if I were so inclined. But what on earth would I do with my native percentage? My great grandmother was a native woman who married a frenchman... and holy smokes I didn't even need a status card to get by.Of course you could go "home" too! Half of you belongs in Asia and half of you belongs in Europe. You are half white! Don't ever forget -- the native "race" is not a race, but a blend of oriental and white european. You owe your very existence to those who came from other continents in more ways than one. The native race is not a race!! Where did you go to college? Good grief? Quote
Rue Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 As an aside for Rue. You have stated many times that a Native will not refer to themselves as Indians. Lol yah I also know black people that refer to themselves as n..ggers but thanks I will pass on the word for the same reason. And no you may not call me my Hebrew brutha. I save that for Billy Crystal when we run into each other at Cannes. Quote
Rue Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 OH GREAT WHITE FATHER, PLEASE SAVE ME FROM MY NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS, OH GREAT ONE, PROVIDE ME WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND IGNORANCE TO HAND DOWN TO MY FELLOW NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND ALL GENERATIONS TO COME, SO YOU, GREAT ONE, MAY CLAIM ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER MY THINKING, MY LIFE AND ALL GENERATIONS TO COME. Er I would love to but I am not your father. In fact I do not know for sure who my father is or if I ever had one. You can if you want call me Golam. Personally I think I come from rotting vegetation. Call me the "Swamp Thing" if you wish although DC comics has a copyright on it. As for your thought processes, thanks I pass. First off I probably don't have enough anti-depressants to share with you and secondly all they will do is make you smile and say things like "that's nice" as you stab someoone. There's a problem with the consistency in these thoughts you might not like. Probably better off preserving your own. Also is that a trick question? I am not sure how ghosts wrestle. Its kind of hard what with no substance to grab on to. You dig? Quote
Rue Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) The native race is not a race!! Where did you go to college? Good grief? Maybe he had a track and field scholarship at college and you misunderstand what he means. The race is twisted and the wascaly wabbit or speedy gonzalez (hey a Latino on amphetamines and everyone thought it was cute) or that bleepin road bird always win. Me on put my money on Pepi Lapue. Taught him everything he knows. Edited March 26, 2008 by Rue Quote
Drea Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) There are three "original races" on the earth. *used Wikipedia reluctantly but at least its consistent. Mongoloid It has been coined as a racial category to describe the distinctive appearance of East Asian peoples Caucasoid relating to a broad division of humankind covering peoples from Europe, Western Asia, parts of the Indian Subcontinent and parts of North Africa" or "white-skinned; of European origin" Negroid Negroid is an adjective derived from the term Negro and refers to a presumed race of people mostly from sub-Saharan Africa.[ Go ahead and see if you can find a "nativoid" entry. You are half caucasion and half mongoloid, get over it. We ALL stem from these three races.... almost everyone is a blend of this original three. FYI, Arabs are a blend of caucasiod and negroid. Edited March 26, 2008 by Drea Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
Oleg Bach Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 There are three "original races" on the earth. *used Wikipedia reluctantly but at least its consistent. Mongoloid Caucasoid Negroid Go ahead and see if you can find a "nativoid" entry. You are half caucasion and half mongoloid, get over it. We ALL stem from these three races.... almost everyone else is a blend of this original three. FYI, Arabs are a blend of caucasiod and negroid. Shemites are those decended from Shem...Arabs and Jews are the same folks - which they would figure out that they can both be creepy - can't we all just get along? Ha .......as far as Caucasians..my family originated in the Caucus area...which makes me white - Englishmen - especially the brown eyed ones are usually the product of long gone Roman occupiers..who are not really white - but Italians - who are negriod in part....Scillians will kill you if you call them black - but they are...whites are mutants..albinos that were crazed enough to breed - where as animals will not breed with an albino - most humans are black...except for us the mutants..who are a dying breed...who are the primary aborters - us the mutant fools. Quote
DangerMouse Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 Shemites are those decended from Shem...Arabs and Jews are the same folks - which they would figure out that they can both be creepy - can't we all just get along? Ha .......as far as Caucasians..my family originated in the Caucus area...which makes me white - Englishmen - especially the brown eyed ones are usually the product of long gone Roman occupiers..who are not really white - but Italians - who are negriod in part....Scillians will kill you if you call them black - but they are...whites are mutants..albinos that were crazed enough to breed - where as animals will not breed with an albino - most humans are black...except for us the mutants..who are a dying breed...who are the primary aborters - us the mutant fools. Factor in culture and it's a whole new ballgame. Language for example, there were several hundred diverse languages that were here when the first boat-loads of caucasians arrived here. IT still doesn't change the fact that aboriginal people were here at the time of contact. I don't go for references from Wikis because they are edited by airheads. In fact it was an airhead who came up with the 3 original races. Quote
MontyBurns Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 It always seems to come down to this. It doesn't matter how reasonable Canadians want to be, the Native agenda is always one of more and then some more. That's for sure. Canada has spoiled it's natives. Just look at natives from Greenland. They act nothing like our natives here in Canada. They don't have the same sense of entitlement. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
Oleg Bach Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 That's for sure. Canada has spoiled it's natives. Just look at natives from Greenland. They act nothing like our natives here in Canada. They don't have the same sense of entitlement. The seniour Native Members and leaders have figured out the system - they want some of the action - it's like the little mob has got the dirt on the big one - Millions are spent on land disputes and those millions in tax money goes somewhere - to the lawyers - and their friends - it's become a buisness...the relationship between the native elders and government and law - is much like the relationship that Saudi Arabia has with the Bush administration....black mail - the Saudis have the dirt on the American oil merchants - as do the natives on their white couterparts - what we have are crooks feeding other crooks. Quote
DangerMouse Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 That's for sure. Canada has spoiled it's natives. Just look at natives from Greenland. They act nothing like our natives here in Canada. They don't have the same sense of entitlement. Act? Isn't it the other way around? The way mainstream society acts? The rightwing nuts and all their leaders are worse than kids. You come over here and murder the indians, molest their kids, rape their women, commit acts of arson, squat on the land and force them onto reserves and expect them to not say or do anything about it? Then you act as though you've done them one great big favour? What are you whining about? You got free land to squat on so you can have your tax money...if you don't like it go back to whee you came from....bunch of whiners who act worse than kids Quote
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