Dalton McGuinty's lawless Ontario

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Caledonia Lawlessness Approaching 2nd Anniversary, and has McGuinty done - zilch, is there no end to this terrorisim and lawlessness?

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/s....html?id=315972

The Premier's response to the disgrace in Caledonia? look the other way

John Tory, National Post Published: Monday, February 18, 2008

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Arson, extortion, barricades, land seizures, occupations, militant protests, harassment, intimidation, mob violence and threats to public safety. I'm not speaking about some lawless Third World country, this is actually happening in Ontario under the watch of Liberal Premier Dalton McGuinty.

The illegal occupation of land by native protestors in Caledonia, Ont., is approaching its second anniversary -- two years that have been punctuated by violence and other illegal activities. What is happening there reflects the worst, but not the only example of the breakdown in the rule of law in Ontario.

Since the beginning of 2008 alone we have seen countless examples of lawlessness and failures in our justice system. These incidents include land developers along Ontario's Grand River being hit with extortionist "development fees" by a group claiming to represent native interests, a booming illegal cigarette industry, a major criminal trial thrown out of court due to incompetence in Ontario's Attorney-General's office. And, at the same time, criminals continue to laugh at a justice system that permits outrageous deals on sentencing and plea bargains.

[Wild Bill]

Caledonia Lawlessness Approaching 2nd Anniversary, and has McGuinty done - zilch, is there no end to this terrorisim and lawlessness?

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/s....html?id=315972

The Premier's response to the disgrace in Caledonia? look the other way

John Tory, National Post Published: Monday, February 18, 2008

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Hey, he won, didn't he?

This confirmed my worst suspicions of my fellow Ontario citizens. As a whole, they don't care a fig for protecting their neighbour's rights. They'll whine and cry if it's their own ox being gored but they seem to be too self-centred to lift a finger in support of the townsfolk of Caledonia.

Those who refuse to stand up will eventually be cut down.

[Muddy]

What has happened in Caledonia and the reelection of McGuinty proves to me that this province has no longer a rule of law and equal justice for all. What has happened to the ordinary citizen of this province? Do we no longer have a sence of justice and fair play? Who is next? You? Me?

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I read a couple of years ago, that there was a land claim coming along in Ontario that would take in all of the province. I haven't heard anything since then, but I wonder how people who support this terrorism would feel if their house was sitting on a land claim !!

[Law&Order]

I read a couple of years ago, that there was a land claim coming along in Ontario that would take in all of the province. I haven't heard anything since then, but I wonder how people who support this terrorism would feel if their house was sitting on a land claim !!

Check out this map: John Mitchell 1757

http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-2...+North+America+

You have to disable you pop-up blocker for this site. Then zoom in about 3 or 4 times.

There is a dotted line there that follows the Ottawa River north of Lake Nippissing, down the west side of Lake Huron and under Lake Ontario and all the way up to Montreal.

All of this Territory belongs to the Six Nations in 1757 (which by the way is now the 8 Nations). The Canadian Government has a huge task on their hands in trying to prove that these lands were ceded to them by the Iroquois Confederacy (and forget about the Quebec Act since it only deals with colonies within the boundaries stated and was not (and could not be) a general claim to all these lands since it was prohibited under the Royal Proclamation).

[Topaz]

I read a couple of years ago, that there was a land claim coming along in Ontario that would take in all of the province. I haven't heard anything since then, but I wonder how people who support this terrorism would feel if their house was sitting on a land claim !!

Guess what? I've been there . What the government said was the First Nation in my area could buy up any land that they made with the landowner. The were doing just that until some local farmer's got together and decided to stop the buying. The farmer's drew up there own offers and the local people panicked and signed the document. They didn't realize by signing the document, the farmer's had to be ask first, BEFORE the landowner could sell to the First Nation. Every thing came to a standstill and that was over 5 years ago and the local government has spent over a million for nothing!! So don't make it out the the First Nation is always the bad guys because they aren't. Most of the problem we see today is cause by the past governments and you know no First Nation was part of that.

[Law&Order]

Actually the title of this thread should be

John Tory's lawless Ontario since he made it all up and it is a figment of his imagination just like his job as an MPP. He wasn't elected in Ontario (in fact his riding REJECTED him). The law is being enforced in Ontario, just like it is in the rest of Canada.

[Wild Bill]

Actually the title of this thread should be

John Tory's lawless Ontario since he made it all up and it is a figment of his imagination just like his job as an MPP. He wasn't elected in Ontario (in fact his riding REJECTED him). The law is being enforced in Ontario, just like it is in the rest of Canada.

When an OPP dispatcher tells a terrified housewife living beside (but not ON!) the disputed lands "Don't call us anymore! You're on your own!" then that housewife has been denied the protection of law.

Sadly, this only leaves them the option of protecting themselves. People in fear tend to overreact. That's how tragedies like Mr. George's death occur.

This situation makes me more afraid everyday. Your twisting everything to fit your assumptions just makes me feel worse. Propaganda will not change reality. If things are not addressed then blood is the only logical outcome. It doesn't matter to me on which side - it's still tragic, especially when boneheads leading both sides are too blind and self-centred to see the inevitable effects of their actions.

On one side we have a baby, too unlettered to understand all the ramifications of his actions. On the other we have Dalton, an idiot who handed the baby a razor blade.

I expect to be flamed by the usual bunch. Doesn't matter. I sincerely hope they prove right! I just don't see a blessed logical reason or shred of evidence to buy their argument.

One and one is two. If you keep drawing to an inside straight you'll lose your shirt. If you believe Jenny and her gang then you'll be sorry. The world doesn't change to fit your own bias.

No point in arguing. We can only wait. If a few years goes by and we reach a bloodless agreement then I'll breathe easier. Until then, calling me names or spouting feeble attempts at propaganda won't convince me to start "smiling".

[AngusThermopyle]

The law is being enforced in Ontario, just like it is in the rest of Canada.

Shear bunk!

If that was so then why did they arrest people who were hanging a Canadian flag in Caledonia. Arrested in spite of the fact that they had the right to hang the flag.

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Actually the title of this thread should be

John Tory's lawless Ontario since he made it all up and it is a figment of his imagination just like his job as an MPP. He wasn't elected in Ontario (in fact his riding REJECTED him). The law is being enforced in Ontario, just like it is in the rest of Canada.

Absolute nonsense, he hasn't made anything up - if you think what is going on in Caledonia is a figment of the imagination, maybe you need to change your drug of choice.

We have a double standard here, where one group of people, based on race, is allowed to break the law and terrorize other people.

[geoffrey]

Every day that I consider what is happening in Caledonia and elsewhere, I'm closer and closer to the conclusion that we really need to just end the reserve system and force these people to integrate into society. They seem to have adapted to the western values of alcoholism and obesity quite well, maybe they can pick up employment and education too.

There is no reason to continue this nonsense in a civilized country. End the concept of Indians in general, cut off all special funding tomorrow, force them into the cities, and force them to work for their money.

End of the inequity right there.

It's too bad that some white guy coerced some Indian 300 years ago into signing some papers, but tough shit. I shouldn't pay for it. And Indians shouldn't benefit from it.

It's time this ends. If all people are equal in Canada, I'd certainly like to see it applied to superior racial treatment Indians get in this country. Such ridiculous racism shouldn't exist in a modern nation, especially one that pretends to be progressive like Canada.