Should ageing lesbians be allowed to indoctrinate children?

[MontyBurns]

Might as well teach these kids about the gay agenda, feminism, etc. They are going to have to learn that in Canadian society men arent supposed to be men and women arent supposed to be women. Canada is the unigender society of the future and these kids need to know this. These feminists hags are the perfect ones to help them unlearn what comes naturally.

[White Doors]

no, only young, hot lesbians.

[Drea]

Two matronly women chastise a child for his behaviour and you folks run around screeching "Feminist Dykes!" "Our children are going to *insert your fear here*!"

Get a grip.

If the women had of been thin, young while chastising the brats (precocious cute little children), would this thread even exist?

No, it would go like this

"I saw these two young girls learning how to be moms today -- they were setting a good example by telling one boy he wasn't allowed to touch another"

That's how it would've went if the women were of "f**kable" age, weight and looks.

Edited January 14, 2008 by Drea

[M.Dancer]

That's how it would've went if the women were of "f**kable" age, weight and looks.

In my opinion that's over 18 and under dead....

[kengs333]

In my opinion that's over 18 and under dead....

More towards the latter in your case...

[cybercoma]

Well, yes there is a reason, because homsexuality is deviant sexual behaviour and it's no different than putting a picture of a man-boy-love partner or fifteen wives on their desk. Or do you think that beastiality, polygamy, incest, pedophelia are also NOT sexual deviant behaviour?

Homosexuality is a consensual relationship between two same-sex partners.

The same cannot be said about beastiality, incest and pedophilia. You should be banned for comparing the two.

[kengs333]

Homosexuality is a consensual relationship between two same-sex partners.

So what? It's still immoral.

The same cannot be said about beastiality, incest and pedophilia. You should be banned for comparing the two.

Well, in terms of incest, it can be argued that, and it evidently does happen where, two consenting close relatives--brother/sister, mother/son, etc.--do engage in consentual relationships as well. As for pedophelia, homosexuals like to blur the issue with concepts like "man-boy love" where they claim that the 13 year-old is somehow capable of making their own decisions as to whether or not to engage in relations ships with much older men. As the "gay rights" movement has shown, a sophisticated argument can be made to legitimize a form of deviant sexual behaviour, and if enough people advocate and intimidate loudly enough, they can force the issue and change peoples' minds. That's the sad reality of the fact in our modern society, the result of being indoctrinated to go with the latest fads rather than what is right and wrong morally.

[Brain Candy]

Homosexuality is a consensual relationship between two same-sex partners.

The same cannot be said about beastiality, incest and pedophilia. You should be banned for comparing the two.

Yes it can, the difference is that pedophilia is probably harmful to the psychology of the children (and is usually commited by people who are allready mentally ill) and incest creates deformed offspring. The juries still out on bestiality but if have so little control over your sexual urges that you feel the need to hump a goat you might have issues.

[cybercoma]

So what? It's still immoral.

It's amoral. How do you reason that it's immoral?

Well, in terms of incest, blah blah blah. As for pedophelia, homosexuals like to blah blah blah. As the "gay rights" movement has shown, blah blah blah. That's the sad reality blah blah blah indoctrinated to go with the latest fads blah blah blah.

The rest of the practices in question are illegal and I'm not getting into a pissing match with you about the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia AGAIN.

How do you define consensual sex between two adult same-sex partners as immoral?

[cybercoma]

Yes it can, the difference is that pedophilia is probably harmful to the psychology of the children (and is usually commited by people who are allready mentally ill) and incest creates deformed offspring. The juries still out on bestiality but if have so little control over your sexual urges that you feel the need to hump a goat you might have issues.

So pedophilia, incest and bestiality are consensual acts in the same way a relationship between homosexual adults is?

I said homosexuality cannot be compared to pedophilia and you're saying yes it can?

[Brain Candy]

So pedophilia, incest and bestiality are consensual acts in the same way a relationship between homosexual adults is?

Possibly.

I said homosexuality cannot be compared to pedophilia and you're saying yes it can?

Not specifically, but its possible its consensual like all relationships have the potential for. However consensuality doesnt mean pedophilia isnt harmful.

[kengs333]

It's amoral. How do you reason that it's immoral?

It's immoral because that which is not moral is not moral, ie. immoral.

The rest of the practices in question are illegal and I'm not getting into a pissing match with you about the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia AGAIN.

How do you define consensual sex between two adult same-sex partners as immoral?

This isn't about legality. Homosexuality was illegal, now it's not. Why? The law changed. Who changed it and why? Short answer: because the gay rights movement forced and intimidated society into believing it to be "normal". You have been brainwashed into believing it is normal because they adopted arguments from the civil rights and women's rights movements that predisposes people into having to accept their arguments as well. What's next? Well, at the moment the movement to decriminalize certain drugs, maybe pedophelia ("man-boy-love") and polygamy. Prostitution. Who knows what else. Sixty years ago the idea that gays would be where they are now would have shocked many; just wait sixty years to see what kind of behaviour we abhore becomes a "right" and is normalized.

Just because behaviour is "consensual" doesn't mean that it is moral.

[jazzer]

It's immoral because that which is not moral is not moral, ie. immoral.

Your opinion. Your "morality" is based on the Bible I take it - you know that book filled with contradictions. This is not a black and white, right or wrong issue that you chose to make it. Society, through our politicians and polls have decided to accept gay marriage and thus it was made law. You want to change it, take it up with Harper. Othewise I suggest you get over it, and get on with your next crusade.

[M.Dancer]

Possibly.

Not specifically, but its possible its consensual like all relationships have the potential for. However consensuality doesnt mean pedophilia isnt harmful.

By defintion pedophilia is not consensual. Children cannot give consent.

[Drea]

It's immoral because that which is not moral is not moral, ie. immoral.

Who is "harmed" during the course of a homosexual relationship between two consenting adults? Isn't "harm of another" the basis of morality? If an activity is not harming anyone, what makes it immoral?

[guyser]

This isn't about legality. Homosexuality was illegal, now it's not. Why? The law changed. Who changed it and why? Short answer: because the gay rights movement forced and intimidated society into believing it to be "normal".

Short answer ...wrong. Nobody forced me, nor any of the sitting MPs to make this change. Society recognized it as normal and deserving of rights, your religious beliefs being immaterial. Religion is not used to dictate society norms and practices, just the way it is. Accept and move on.

You have been brainwashed into believing it is normal because they adopted arguments from the civil rights and women's rights movements that predisposes people into having to accept their arguments as well. What's next?

Civil rights and womens rights were brainwashing? And you wonder why you get called out on these things. You step in it time and again, only to invoke the whiny cry of "I never said that".

Whats next? No idea. Do you?

Well, at the moment the movement to decriminalize certain drugs, maybe pedophelia ("man-boy-love") and polygamy. Prostitution. Who knows what else.

Certain drugs , sure, it has been proven they are not harmful like the old guard would have us believe, but that will be a time yet.

Decriminalize pedopehlia? Give us a link to your assertions or shut up. That is simple for you. Either or. Although you like to make this case, it is done only on your opinion , which has been relegated to the "oh it sjust keng talking " file.

Again, man-boy-love = homosexuality....NOT!

Sixty years ago the idea that gays would be where they are now would have shocked many; just wait sixty years to see what kind of behaviour we abhore becomes a "right" and is normalized.

Just because behaviour is "consensual" doesn't mean that it is moral.

And blacks were routinely shot intimidated, segregated and denied constitutional rights. Women were beaten and no one regularly cared. Children were molested by parents and had no where to turn. SO in those last 60 years we became a better society.

Sorry you want to turn life onto the good teachings. Nope not going to happen. Accept it and mve on.

Um....the other way around. You had it backwards.

Consensual does mean moral. Consent given from one adult to another means that someone respects the others rights and moral, thus they ask, and got the green light to proceed.

Moral wrong would be doing it after the other party did not approve.

Methinks your religious upbringing should be the basis for your brainwashing paranoia. It is obvious they groomed a non-thinker.

[Moxie]

By defintion pedophilia is not consensual. Children cannot give consent.

You are correct, a child isn't mature enough to understand the consequences of his actions if he meekly or with fear consents an adult is suppose to be mature enough.

[Melanie_]

It's immoral because that which is not moral is not moral, ie. immoral.

This isn't about legality. Homosexuality was illegal, now it's not. Why? The law changed. Who changed it and why? Short answer: because the gay rights movement forced and intimidated society into believing it to be "normal". You have been brainwashed into believing it is normal because they adopted arguments from the civil rights and women's rights movements that predisposes people into having to accept their arguments as well. What's next? Well, at the moment the movement to decriminalize certain drugs, maybe pedophelia ("man-boy-love") and polygamy. Prostitution. Who knows what else. Sixty years ago the idea that gays would be where they are now would have shocked many; just wait sixty years to see what kind of behaviour we abhore becomes a "right" and is normalized.

Just because behaviour is "consensual" doesn't mean that it is moral.

Are you saying the civil rights movement and women's rights movements forced and intimidated people? Civil rights activists and women's rights activists brainwashed the rest of society? It makes me wonder if you would like to see a return to the days when women and blacks were the property of white men.

Yes the law changed, finally. An outdated, immoral, repressive, disrespectful, and judgmental law was changed to be more accepting, tolerant, and open to diversity. We should all celebrate that.

[guyser]

Are you saying the civil rights movement and women's rights movements forced and intimidated people?

Yes of course that is what he is saying.

Civil rights activists and women's rights activists brainwashed the rest of society? It makes me wonder if you would like to see a return to the days when women and blacks were the property of white men.

Well maybe not the civil rights people, but the womens activists sure did. No question about that.

When they burned their bras, all I could do is stand there and drool repeating over and over.....whatever you want,whatever you want. It worked !

As for the last part , NO, but I am hungry and still waiting for my sandwich. Bring a pop too.

(acknowledgement to mdancer for that last line....and yes it was a joke)

[Melanie_]

Yes of course that is what he is saying.

Well maybe not the civil rights people, but the womens activists sure did. No question about that.

When they burned their bras, all I could do is stand there and drool repeating over and over.....whatever you want,whatever you want. It worked !

As for the last part , NO, but I am hungry and still waiting for my sandwich. Bring a pop too.

(acknowledgement to mdancer for that last line....and yes it was a joke)

Oh, I'm thinking about a fine sandwich I could make you right about now..... I hope you like lots of tobasco!

[guyser]

Oh, I'm thinking about a fine sandwich I could make you right about now..... I hope you like lots of tobasco!

What do you mean "hope". You know I love it, grab me a couple of those scotch bonnets on your way back will ya hon?

( Humour...glad to see you have some, with that I bid adieu...off for din din....that I must make MYSELF I might add. Oh look, its Tuesday, bathroom cleaning night for me...yea me ! )

[Brain Candy]

You are correct, a child isn't mature enough to understand the consequences of his actions if he meekly or with fear consents an adult is suppose to be mature enough.

But he/she can still perceivably give consent even if its not viewed that way by the law, at least to the extent a women in a drunken stupor gives consent at a bar. Thats all im saying aside from most pedophiles appear to be mentally ill and will probably pass their warped view of sex to the immature child.

[kengs333]

Are you saying the civil rights movement and women's rights movements forced and intimidated people? Civil rights activists and women's rights activists brainwashed the rest of society? It makes me wonder if you would like to see a return to the days when women and blacks were the property of white men.

Yes the law changed, finally. An outdated, immoral, repressive, disrespectful, and judgmental law was changed to be more accepting, tolerant, and open to diversity. We should all celebrate that.

No, I'm saying that they applied tactics from legitimate civil rights movements because they knew that society was predisposed to accepting those kinds of arguments and if pushed and coerced long enogh would eventually relent, which is what is now happening. This is also what the feminists did in the 1960s; they hijacked the issue of women's rights and coerced and intimidated until they got what they wanted, and the rest of society got a nice dose of moral decay in return.

[kengs333]

By defintion pedophilia is not consensual. Children cannot give consent.

People who advocate "man-boy love" consider 12 years-old to be an acceptable age. Do you agree?

In that "Teacher's Pet" report, the one girl was 12 years-old when she had sex with her teacher; she later attempted to commit suicide, and has been living with the psychological scars ever since.

[cybercoma]

You have been brainwashed into believing [homosexuality] is normal because they adopted arguments from the civil rights and women's rights movements.

Looks like you've taken your act a step too far today because never before has it been more evident that you're nothing more than a troll.