jefferiah Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 If you aren't Christian, then you are considered Godless and heathen. There is no room for tolerance and acceptance in the Christian Church. There is only perpetual judgment and condemnation and from a Christian's perspective, if you aren't one of them you are a heathen sinner. Despite the fact that I am often on here defending Christianity I don't actually go to Church. But of course I have many neighbours who do, and I've yet to hear them call me a godless or anything of the sort, or to unjustly condemn me for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 If you aren't Christian, then you are considered Godless and heathen. There is no room for tolerance and acceptance in the Christian Church. There is only perpetual judgment and condemnation and from a Christian's perspective, if you aren't one of them you are a heathen sinner. What a load of nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Despite the fact that I am often on here defending Christianity I don't actually go to Church. But of course I have many neighbours who do, and I've yet to hear them call me a godless or anything of the sort, or to unjustly condemn me for anything. Ah, but you are a declared Christian and therefore consider "one of them". However, the view of Muslims and other religions are with contempt and prejudice. The icing on the cake are the nuts who go around here proclaiming that anyone not like them are sinners, and not worthy of God's Paradise. The evidence is in the "works", not in their faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchener Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 What a load of nonsense. Seconded. Or maybe you seconded, since I said as much earlier in the thread. Anyhow, I'm saying it again. And I'm as atheist as they come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Seconded. Or maybe you seconded, since I said as much earlier in the thread.Anyhow, I'm saying it again. And I'm as atheist as they come. Does that make it thirded? Either way, take it and go forth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 What a load of nonsense. Let me straighten the "Christians" convoluted perception - quote - "I am the truth and the light and the way" - key word TRUTH...or putting in bluntly - an unwavering adherance to reality in order to maintain peace and security. It's not about smoke and mirrors and miracles - human existance and the planet earth are the miracle. Real Christian thought was the careful belief in what was real - that is why it as a revolutionary movement threatened the state. The state operates on deception and secrecy...as does religion - Jesus never created a religion but a state of mind base in logic...all the rest of the fantacy is politics and garbage - and frankly you can not have a child with out sex - God is not some trickster or magician - Real Christianity is a state of mind that bows to no government that lies - and Paul - was a rat...Paulism is the begining of the mixing of church and state - and there NEVER has been a seperation between state and religion - they are the same belief system - a lie that controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 and Paul - was a rat...Paulism is the begining of the mixing of church and state Which one...Shore or Ron ? Maybe you meant Ringo? Inquiring minds want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Which one...Shore or Ron ? Maybe you meant Ringo?Inquiring minds want to know. Any time I see a son named PAUL I cringe in embarrassment - I am talking about the super ambitious one who never met Christ but managed to install him self as the resident letter writer in the New Testiment, cluttering the book up with such nonsence as "Obey the authorities for all governments are installed by GOD" - that is Paulism that all of Rome was based on - It never made sense to me that GOD would go out of his way to install or allow a corrupt and abusive authority to exist - this is a human construct not a Godly one. The old scholars called Paul the "spouter of lies" - He would write a long letter to some "church" - go on and on about how to behave and how to submit - mostly to HIM - and at the end of all this filler - he would ask for moneyh and someone to bring him his coat - you would think he would just say 'winter is coming and I am broke and it's going to be cold, please send my coat" -never liked Paul - the prototype of all modern pauliticals...he was a creep and so was the betraying other rat Peter...and don't ask me which one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 ....., cluttering the book up with such nonsence as "Obey the authorities for all governments are installed by GOD" -... Yeah with a line like that you would expect to say something ludicrous like render unto Caesar what it Caesars wbut render unto God..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Yeah with a line like that you would expect to say something ludicrous like render unto Caesar what it Caesars wbut render unto God..... When he said that you have to translate the looking at the coin and the statement regarding Caesars profile and his ownership of money- all the money - if God is all powerful..and Christ states that all must belong to God - then he is saying that nothing belongs to Caesar - the only reason he suggested paying a tax was to avoid harrassment by dweebish bureacrats and aggressive law enforcers bucking for a promotion. Use your logic my friend- and I repeat if all belongs to God he is suggesting giving nothing to Caesar - besides you have to remember that Christ was of royal lineage and the Judiac lands were his and the Romans were oppressive invaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 - if God is all powerful... Then..... "Obey the authorities for all governments are installed by GOD" - You better use my logic, yours seems not to be working very well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Then.....You better use my logic, yours seems not to be working very well..... All right then - I will use your logic seeing mine is tired...but if I take yours - what will you do without it? Guess seeing your and expert in logic and ill logic - it won't really matter to a man of such principle as yourself - frankly - what you just wrote flew over my head - so you believe that God made Brian Malroney Prime Minister - and we should submit to this type of person - guess you believe God is cruel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 All right then - I will use your logic seeing mine is tired...but if I take yours - what will you do without it? Guess seeing your and expert in logic and ill logic - it won't really matter to a man of such principle as yourself - frankly - what you just wrote flew over my head - so you believe that God made Brian Malroney Prime Minister - and we should submit to this type of person - guess you believe God is cruel. No I don't believe that. I merely pointed out with your words that Paul wasn't being inconsitent with what you cliam Christ's intent was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 No I don't believe that. I merely pointed out with your words that Paul wasn't being inconsitent with what you cliam Christ's intent was. To the contray he was being inconsistant and so were you for having attributed a saying of Jesus to it being something said by Paul - there is no claim to what Christ's intent was on my behalf. It's clear he had no respect of Roman giving Rome what belonged to Rome which was tax can be interpreted only in two ways..one - begrudgingly paying a tribute to Rome - or as I mentioned, logicing your way out the the payment by acknowledging the fact that all of creatiing is God property the the authorities in Rome only have a superfical investment in the material world - Much like a fanatic Muslim make error when he says he kills in the name of God.. - which would insinuate that God in NOT almight and is weak and need human help to murder...it defys logic - either God is all powerful or is not and if he is not then he is not God and is not real. You know what I am getting at - when I was a child my parents who were a type of orthodox Christians would say - "There is no one above us only God - not the government - only GOD - and below the children are the dogs and cans and beasts of the field and below them were the creeps that crawled - there was an order - and as our constitution states - The Supremacey of God and the rule of law there under" to para phrase - my stance is you can not take man kind to seriously - we are mortal and falable. I'm way off topic I know, but I wanted to reveal what I believe. A wise friend of mine agreed as far as the belief in God is important in say a court of law - for it makes people strive for a highermindedness - and creates equality - even if you are not a believer, its a very good idea to place something higher than human authorship. It really is the base for true democracy and proper socialism - Christianity when used well creates prosperity also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 To the contray he was being inconsistant and so were you for having attributed a saying of Jesus to it being something said by Paul - You might want to re-think that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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