M.Dancer Posted January 2, 2008 Report Posted January 2, 2008 QUOTE(Drea @ Dec 29 2007, 12:01 PM) Mensa say's my IQ is 136. What's yours hon? I think it's a commonly held truism in internet circles that people who brag about their IQ test scores are generally people who shouldn't be bragging. -k On the otherhand she does admit that she is a mensa reject. For most Mensa members she would be a plodding cretin.Mensa's cut off is 148. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted January 2, 2008 Author Report Posted January 2, 2008 Sadly, here's another one: at least 50 people were killed when a church they were seeking refuge in was set on fire... http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/01/01/kenya-violence.html Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 2, 2008 Report Posted January 2, 2008 Sadly, here's another one: at least 50 people were killed when a church they were seeking refuge in was set on fire... http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/01/01/kenya-violence.html They would have been killed had they went to the local fitness centre. Maybe you haven't heard but there is a bit of unrest in Kenya recently...somethjing todo with an election, not a religion. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted January 2, 2008 Author Report Posted January 2, 2008 They would have been killed had they went to the local fitness centre. Maybe you haven't heard but there is a bit of unrest in Kenya recently...somethjing todo with an election, not a religion. People seek refuge in churches for a reason, and the fact that this mob would not respect the sanctity of the church denotes persecution in my books. Needless to say, your opinion on the tragedy wouldn't be so flippant had it been some other religious building, a gay bar or some other den of iniquity... Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 2, 2008 Report Posted January 2, 2008 People seek refuge in churches for a reason, and the fact that this mob would not respect the sanctity of the church denotes persecution in my books. Needless to say, your opinion on the tragedy wouldn't be so flippant had it been some other religious building, a gay bar or some other den of iniquity... Needless to say your position is pointless. It is an ethnic conflict and the reprisal against the others could also be in churches. I'm mean the straws you pull from your nether regions could feed a stable..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kimmy Posted January 2, 2008 Report Posted January 2, 2008 It is an ethnic conflict and the reprisal against the others could also be in churches.Indeed. During the Rwandan ethnic cleansing, a Roman Catholic priest named Athanase Seromba was convicted of ordering his own church be bulldozed to kill the 2000 Tutsi who had sought refuge inside, and further, having militiamen with guns and machetes go in to dispatch any survivors.Perhaps Father Seromba was persecuting himself. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Shakeyhands Posted January 2, 2008 Report Posted January 2, 2008 Are you so uninformed as to actually believe this is a trivial issue?Did you fail to notice that his page only lists incidents from the past 3 or 4 days? What, in your mind, constitutes "persecution"? What qualifies as "systemic"? Why is "systemic" an important distinction at all? Mobs of Hindus gathered to attack Christian churches, repeatedly. Is that not persecution in your mind? If bands of Christians gathered in Scarborough to burn down some mosques, would that be persecution in your mind? Would you be posting "Oh yes, its such an issue. " if that happened? When Muslim militias in Nigeria go on machete-swinging rampages against Christian communities in support of their demands for Sharia law, is that persecution? Is it less significant because it's not "systematic"? When Muslim militias were committing atrocities and genocide against they Catholics of East Timor, was that persecution? When the occupying Indonesian armed forces allowed these atrocities to occur under their very noses, did that make it sufficiently systematic for you to consider it serious? People who have been reading here for a while know how I feel about organized religions of all stripes. However, it really rankles me to see the hypocrisy here. It reminds me of back in 2005 when Florida was decimated by hurricanes, and people were writing "God must be sending them a message about the election HO HO HO" Hilarious. Yet I do not recall any such comedy, from either those comedians, or from Christians, when Muslim Indonesia was struck by the devastating tsunami just a few months later. I think that some people should spend a moment to think about what kind of human beings they really are. -k The quantification of "Systemic" is part of the definition of persecution, I will give that there are isolated incidents of persecution of Christians in your cites, however I think it rings hollow as we do see the systemic persecution of many other religions by these same "Christians". We should strive to abolish persecution of any type in our lives. I too think that people should spend a moment thinking of what kind of human beings they are, especially self proclaimed Christians that rail against Islam, immigrants and homosexuals too. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
kimmy Posted January 2, 2008 Report Posted January 2, 2008 The quantification of "Systemic" is part of the definition of persecution, I will give that there are isolated incidents of persecution of Christians in your cites, however I think it rings hollow as we do see the systemic persecution of many other religions by these same "Christians". We should strive to abolish persecution of any type in our lives. If mobs form for a purpose, and it happens again and again... is it really "isolated"? "By these same Christians"? No, Shakey. Not the same Christians. The Christians in India, the Catholics in East Timor, these are not the same Christians who've performed whichever acts of persecution you might care to cite (btw, do you have any current examples to cite that wouldn't likewise fall under your description of "isolated incidents"?) They're small and vulnerable communities surrounded by majorities whose tolerance is questionable (to say the least.) Arguing that they're the same Christians who burned witches in Europe or hung blacks in Mississippi or ran residential schools in Canada is as ludicrous as arguing that our hypothetical Scarborough Muslims whose mosques were burned down are the same Muslims who behead adultresses or bulldoze homosexuals in other parts of the world. I too think that people should spend a moment thinking of what kind of human beings they are, especially self proclaimed Christians that rail against Islam, immigrants and homosexuals too. Certainly. -kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
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