Global Warming

[jbg]

The Tories will now face increased pressure in Canada. They will run into climate skeptics in their own party but in the interests of expanding their base, they will have to take a position on reducing greenhouse gases. It is a position that will probably not make anyone happy.

The right wing skeptics in these forums will have to look for another party if they want someone who is adamantly opposed to doing anything on greenhouse gases.

Honestly, it is time for some serious panic now, and not in 2020. We must do something now, and precipitouslly.

Otherwise, we are all doomed to a certain demise. Specifically, because of the US and Canadian obstructionist policies, that is, the policies of George W. Bush and his reactionary poodle, the Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper (a minority PM elected by almost no one) every one of us now on the earth is going to die. Do you realize that? Our politicians twiddle their thumbs, capitulate to the oil industry and the forces of global capitalism while every one of us marches inexorably to eventual death.

Gore is not even setting us straight. It's implement Kyoto, now, or we all face eventual certainty of winding up 2 meters under.

[jdobbin]

Unless the developing countries (China-India, etc) are involved why would Canada, Australia, the U.S., work on or agree to any numbers by 2009 according to the agreement signed in Bali?

It must have have come as quite a shock to all of those eco groups with M. Dion visiting Bali to find the new Australian Prime Minister, after much media attention signed the Kyoto Protocol, then to immediately declare in Bali his government would not agree to such targets. Strange that M. Dion has not treated the Australian Prime Minister to the same criticisms he has launched against Canada's Prime Minister for his stance on the Kyoto impossible targets for Canada. Partisan politics as usual.

Dion did criticize Australia for not agreeing to the targets of Kyoto. He applauded Australia for signing the agreement though and for being active in Bali. A mixed review.

Harper and Baird will have to see if they can get away with no action until 2009. I very much doubt they will be able to do it.

[jbg]

What does the green guy who couldn't (Dion) of the Liberal party say about Canada's signing, and signing with the United States on side?

How is this environmental advancement going to help the green guy who couldn't (Dion) win the next election?

Give Dion some credit. He did name his pooch "Kyoto".

[Wild Bill]

Here's the link:

http://www.newstatesman.com/200712190004

It claims that global warming has already stopped! Should be good fodder for some more debate!

[Riverwind]

It claims that global warming has already stopped! Should be good fodder for some more debate!

Some further context:

1) The claim is based on satellite temperature data - some surface measurements show a slight warming trend.

2) The satellite temperature data generally more reliable so it is reasonable to use it for the claim.

3) The claim is based on absolute temperatures - not by calculating a trend line with statistical analysis.

4) A trend line calculated with statistical analysis shows a slight upward trend but this trend is not statistically significant given the error in the dataset.

Nit picking aside the claim does highlight a significant point: warming has essentially stopped in the last ten years.

AGW advocates try to claim that 10 years is too short a time to make such a judgement but they forget that their GW claim is based on a mere 20 years of data (1978-1998).

Edited December 27, 2007 by Riverwind

[capricorn]

Nit picking aside the claim does highlight a significant point: GW warming has essentially stopped in the last ten years.

If this trend keeps up, we may have cause to be thankful that the Liberals never acted on the global warming panic.

[jbg]

Here's the link:

http://www.newstatesman.com/200712190004

It claims that global warming has already stopped! Should be good fodder for some more debate!

It has to have started for it to stop.

[jdobbin]

Met office in Britain predict 2008 to be among the world hottest years.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...104?hub=SciTech

This year is forecast to be among the top 10 hottest years on record, Britain's weather office said Thursday, despite a strong cooling effect predicted from the tropical weather phenomenon known as La Nina.

The global surface temperature in 2008 will rise 0.37 C above what climate scientists call the long-term average of 14 C, the Met Office said. The average is derived by calculating the mean of surface temperatures registered globally between 1961 and 1990.

That would be enough to have it rank among the hottest years on record, although the Met Office said would be unlikely to beat the current warmest year of 1998, which was 0.94 degrees above the long-term average.

Edited January 5, 2008 by jdobbin

[jdobbin]

Federal panel recommends a carbon tax.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

A carbon tax is the most important policy tool to help Canada meet its greenhouse-gas reduction goals, says a federal advisory panel.

The National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy, an independent agency created by Parliament in 1988, also suggested a carbon-trading system to cut Canada's emissions 65 per cent below 2006 levels by 2050.

The panel's membership consists of Canada's top business and environmental leaders. Its recommendations are not binding on the government.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has rejected the notion of a carbon tax in the past, as has Liberal Leader Stephane Dion.

In the spring, the minority Conservative government tabled a plan to cut the emissions of industrial emitters. That plan, which set a target of a 20 per cent cut in GHG emissions below 2006 levels by 2020, did not include a carbon tax.

"(The report) is not an evaluation or assessment in any way of the government's current plan. That was not our purpose," NRTEE chair Glen Murray told an Ottawa news conference on Monday.

Looks like the pressure will be on Dion and Harper to consider a carbon tax.

It also looks like it will be a race to see who announced carbon bonds for the financial market.

[Wild Bill]

Gee, I'm really surprised no one had already noticed this and posted it:

http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html

Note how near the end the spokesman mentions how with all the focus on GW and the IPCC it's very hard to get any different word out.

[Oleg Bach]

Federal panel recommends a carbon tax.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

Looks like the pressure will be on Dion and Harper to consider a carbon tax.

It also looks like it will be a race to see who announced carbon bonds for the financial market.

The carbon tax makes no sense. It is akin to putting a coin in a meter out side of Tim Hortons that allows you to toss the cup out the car window when done. Or similar to the old fashioned pay toilets - but a that does not flush or even have a pipe leading to the sewer. The Carbon Tax is a statement that says - if you want to grow rich and stay rich polluting the environment - pay a tax to yourself. It is just some funny little idea that some ad executive thought up...You fly your Lear across the nation and pay a tax on the soot that comes out of the exhaust and then attend a buisness meeting the will create more soot...I don't get it! Other than it being good PR for the stupified masses - who like catch phrases because they are soothing.