Who Else Could Care Less If Alberta Seperates?

[jawapunk]

I am reading a lot of polls and topics dedicated to Alberta separating and I ask myself, do I really care? Half of them are merely soap boxes for Albertans to blow smoke up each others asses about how great they are and how they have saved Canada somehow.

However, I have to say, if there were that many unsatisfied Albertans we would prolly see a stonger precence politically as in the provincial and national equivalent to the Bloc Quebecoise. If there are so many of you out there who feel this way, stand up and get something done instead of crying all over this forum. It is getting old fast.

[jawapunk]

Oops you seem to have one...Just looks like the party SUCKS!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_Party_of_Alberta

http://www.separationalberta.com/

[Moxie]

The loss of Alberta to Canada would be devastating, many BlueNosers work and have made Alberta their home. They love that province on par with their beloved NS, I can see nothing positive regarding Alberta seperating.

[noahbody]

If Alberta separated, there wouldn't be any money for Quebec.

[Higgly]

Look at the bright side. If they separate, they can take Harper with them!

Edited November 2, 2007 by Higgly

[guyser]

The loss of Alberta would be huge. There are so many reasons it is hard to put into print. Same goees for Quebec.

-breaks the country in two,

-isolates the other provinces.

-transport problems.

-rail problems.

-infrastructure payments have to be collected.

-monetary problems..do they print there own?

-CPP and other contributions? They left, they then left all that money behind.

-personal travel restrictions

-border and security

There are so many more, but for the most part it is just ranting because they thought they were ignored and now do so much better and richer that it fuels to some degree the same things. The power to dislodge themselves from Canada is , at least in their minds, there own choice.

But deep down there is very little possibility of it happening. Too many transplanted peoples from across the country would fight it .

And of course, I would lose some relatives to another country.

I honestly doubt there is enough intestinal fortitude for this to become anything more than childish ranting.

[Amazing Atheist]

Seeing as how Saskatchewan and Manitoba have just as many natural resources to exploit if not more in some regards which are now being opened up for business and seeing how many people are now moving away from Alberta due to the extremely high costs of living it would be more devastating for them then for the rest of Canada.

Alberta will never separate, sure it may look good for them in the short term but seeing as how other provinces are playing catch up in the long term separation would be far more harmful to their economy.

Not that it matters anyway because they won't separate and eventually we will be out of the oil game as cleaner and cheaper technologies emerge anyway.

Most of Alberta's population come from the rest of Canada and would never vote yes in a referendum to separate from Canada.

[Moxie]

Look at the bright side. If they separate, they can take Harper with them!

To be replaced with a left leaning socialist hell bent on using this country as a "Social Experiment" no thanks. 12 years of liberal leadership or lack there of was enough for this "Classical Liberal". Harper's slogan should be "We taste awful but we work".

LOL Noabody, Quebec thinks the country revolves around it. Well Quebec and Torona that is. It's been a very bitter pill for them to swallow, they now realise that Alberta and BC are the big guns in town. In a few years Ontario and Quebec will know what it feels like to be a minority that gets it's issue repeatedly ignored like Alberta has been. Be kind to us in Atlantic Canada, we do send our sons and daughters to fill the labour shortage. Kay?

[Peter F]

In a few years Ontario and Quebec will know what it feels like to be a minority that gets it's issue repeatedly ignored like Alberta has been. Be kind to us in Atlantic Canada, we do send our sons and daughters to fill the labour shortage. Kay?

Just had a brilliant idea! Which company manufactures knee-pads? Can you imagine the market for knee-pads when Alberta separates? CCM maybe...yeah that it...

[Hydraboss]

Just had a brilliant idea! Which company manufactures knee-pads? Can you imagine the market for knee-pads when Alberta separates? CCM maybe...yeah that it...

Thanks for the great visuals on that one.

[Higgly]

When I saw this thread, I thought it was a spoof. But it appears to be serious, so I will give a serious response.

Alberta is not going to separate because whatever grievances it may have, they are nothing compared to the crap they would have to endure as a autonomous nation with resources that the US would love to get its hands on.

Alberta really has only two choices: stay in Canada, or move to the US. As an autonomous entity, it hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell.

[Hydraboss]

As an autonomous entity, Alberta would do better than the rest of Canada. Given the other two choices, I would say join the States. Albertans have more in common with the US than the ROC. At least we would own our land and not be persecuted for owning our guns.

And bonus marks would be awarded for no french language laws. And no Kwebek.

[Higgly]

As an autonomous entity, Alberta would do better than the rest of Canada. Given the other two choices, I would say join the States. Albertans have more in common with the US than the ROC. At least we would own our land and not be persecuted for owning our guns.

And bonus marks would be awarded for no french language laws. And no Kwebek.

Ha ha. So is your kid going to Iraq?

Here's the reality. You'd get 1 senator and maybe a couple of congressional seats. And you'd have half the other states licking their chops over your goodies.

Good luck, Bubba.

[Hydraboss]

And yet we would STILL have more power as a state as we do as a province. Go figure.

[geoffrey]

As an autonomous entity, it hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell.

Besides being the wealthiest region in the world? What gives you that opinion? Is the US going to launch an invasion against a civilized western nation? Ya right. The Americans might be aggressive, bold and a little crazy... but they aren't going to take Alberta by force.

If we want to stand alone, we can and we will. Just a matter of educating enough Albertans about how much better their lives would be without the parasite hanging off our backs.

[Higgly]

If we want to stand alone, we can and we will. Just a matter of educating enough Albertans about how much better their lives would be without the parasite hanging off our backs.

That would be the parasites that you ship your oil across and get the rest of your goods from, would it not? The parasites who hold stock in your companies? The ones you would be flying your airplanes over?

You would be a landlocked nation surrounded by people you have told to go to hell. Good luck.

[geoffrey]

That would be the parasites that you ship your oil across and get the rest of your goods from, would it not? The parasites who hold stock in your companies? The ones you would be flying your airplanes over?

You obviously are completely blind to reason and economic motive. There are plenty of successful landlocked nations. Look at Austria, a big European success now. Many other examples are out there.

You would be a landlocked nation surrounded by people you have told to go to hell. Good luck.

Also surrounded by people that desperately need our products and wealth to survive. We'd call the shots.

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Not to mention, I have little doubt that if Alberta leaves, BC would take a long hard look at joining us.

[Higgly]

You obviously are completely blind to reason and economic motive. There are plenty of successful landlocked nations. Look at Austria, a big European success now. Many other examples are out there.

Also surrounded by people that desperately need our products and wealth to survive. We'd call the shots.

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Not to mention, I have little doubt that if Alberta leaves, BC would take a long hard look at joining us.

It's been a while since Austria pissed anybody off. It's also a much smaller territory with 3 times your population. As for that economic motive, don't forget that resource cycles don't last forever.

Good luck, though. Go for it. If Alberta did it, BC might have little choice but to join or try to go it on its own as well. Alberta and BC would make an interesting pair. A province with a surplus and a province with a debt. The prince and the parasite? If you joined forces, you might make a go of it. On your own with a population of 3,000,000 I'd say you're over-reaching. Consider, for example, the challenge of assembling an army big enough to defend that long, long border.

Just take your prime minister back, OK?

Edited November 3, 2007 by Higgly

[kimmy]

To the thread starter I would point out that these threads about Alberta separating have been started by a single person who is a few ponies short of a herd.

Could Alberta survive as a sovereign nation? Yes!

Is there the political will in the province to do so? No.

The ideas being suggested-- that the rest of Canada would ... close off highways? Create no-fly zones? Shut the pipelines? Pull their financial investments out?

There are far too many people across Canada whose interests depend on continued relations with Alberta, particularly in the energy sector, to allow the federal government to create some sort of embargo against a sovereign Alberta for the sake of satisfying a few bruised egos. You can be assured that if Alberta separation were ever undertaken, agreements to maintain trade and travel would be a part of the negotiations.

(and how effective would this embargo be anyway, when our friends to the south will happily purchase our major exports?)

-k

[kimmy]

I think that Harper winning the last election restored a bit of faith in Canada's federal system among many Albertans. I doubt that central Canadians understand the symbolic importance of it.

-k

[Moxie]

To the thread starter I would point out that these threads about Alberta separating have been started by a single person who is a few ponies short of a herd.

Could Alberta survive as a sovereign nation? Yes!

Is there the political will in the province to do so? No.

The ideas being suggested-- that the rest of Canada would ... close off highways? Create no-fly zones? Shut the pipelines? Pull their financial investments out?

There are far too many people across Canada whose interests depend on continued relations with Alberta, particularly in the energy sector, to allow the federal government to create some sort of embargo against a sovereign Alberta for the sake of satisfying a few bruised egos. You can be assured that if Alberta separation were ever undertaken, agreements to maintain trade and travel would be a part of the negotiations.

(and how effective would this embargo be anyway, when our friends to the south will happily purchase our major exports?)

-k

That a girl you givem hell, go sister.

Having lived in Alberta many moons ago I have always felt Alberta is the heart of this country. Their work ethic and values are hardcore Canadian Values. I hope that hasn't changed with the new generation of snot and bawlers aka "It's all about ME". For the life of me I cannot invision the Rig Pigs standing around with placards stating "We wanna Seperate". It sounds like the mewlings of a few from the "It's all about ME generation", they don't like to share the wealth. Greedy little pigs.

[Guest trex]

It sounds like the mewlings of a few from the "It's all about ME generation", they don't like to share the wealth. Greedy little pigs.

You mean the far right this time. But you avoided using that word, although you mostly express your contempt for "leftists" whnever you see fit. But one thing those leftists are not in this comparison, is greedy me-only types. Because the left by definition wants to spread wealth more evenly, while the right prefers to allow the wealthy to continue accumulating wealth without the same sense of social justice.

So, you are actually a leftist and don't even seem to realize it.

[Higgly]

The ideas being suggested-- that the rest of Canada would ... close off highways? Create no-fly zones? Shut the pipelines? Pull their financial investments out?

And that is suggested where?

[Guest American Woman]

Ha ha. So is your kid going to Iraq?

Here's the reality. You'd get 1 senator and maybe a couple of congressional seats. And you'd have half the other states licking their chops over your goodies.

Good luck, Bubba.

Here's the reality. Every state gets two senators.

[Wilber]

If Alberta did it, BC might have little choice but to join or try to go it on its own as well. Alberta and BC would make an interesting pair. A province with a surplus and a province with a debt.

BC has a debt but it's budget surplus was over 2B last year and for cast to be 3.2B for the current fiscal year. Tougher times ahead for the forest and tourist industries however with the US economy tanking and the current value of the dollar. But that won't be unique to BC.