Liberals have no money so that is why they support the Gov.

[old_bold&cold]

It seems that the Liberal party has found it very hard to find people willing to donate to their party and that being the reason they will not call for an election. According to an article in todays Ottawa Citizen, they have been very slow in getting finacial help, and they only just past the NDP for the amount of donation made in the last 4 months.

Forgot link :http://digital.ottawacitizen.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

Now with that in mind I find this to be very telling about the support they will find in the voters when push comes to shove. If money was the only thing stopping them, I would have to guess that they then are saying their support is up for sale. But I do not think it is just that. They do not have any platform on which they can run, that will appeal to the voters. While the left have been busy trying to show how bad the right is, they forgot to show the reasons why the left is better. Right now people like the way things are going and most think it is right on the mark. Thay may well alos back that up by giving Harper his majority, as they see nothing wrong with the way he is headed and the oppositoon can say it is wrong all they want, but without showing the better way, people will just leave them screaming and go with the present party in power.

I guess when a party is so far out of favour with the people, it is hard to get money from those who normally would have done so. Just one more nail in the Liberal coffin.

Edited November 2, 2007 by old_bold&cold

[shavluk]

I couldn't find it.

Can you post some of the details or get a better link , please?

[old_bold&cold]

Here is the front page story. The link to the Ottawa Citizen is working but is real slow for me as I only have dial up where I am located.

Article rank

Liberals don’t have money for an election,

MPs say

Tories have raised almost five times as much as Grits

BY TIM NAUMETZ

A summer of crushingly low financial contributions has been behind the Liberal party’s lack of appetite for a snap election battle against the flush Conservatives this fall, MPs from the other parties say

The latest party financial returns published by Elections Canada show the Liberals raised just $793,835 from June to October, less than the party’s third-quarter donations last year.

The Conservatives, on the other hand, raked in $3.1 million during the same period, bringing their total contributions to $12 million by the end of September, a mountain of cash compared with the $2.6 million raised by the Liberals during the same nine months.

The legendary “natural governing party†almost fell behind the NDP, which raised only $38,000 less than the Liberals during the same nine-month period.

The figures were released by Elections Canada this week, but the Liberals were aware of their precarious financial state well before Gov. Gen. Michaëlle Jean opened the new session of Parliament with a speech from the throne in midOctober.

See page 2

[shavluk]

Thank you.

I was interested in ndp numbers and that means roughly one dollar per vote for layton.

My goals may take more than one election and the ndp are targeting me very hard as they fear my experience with them will be costly for them.

I spent 30 years as an ndp supporter and agree with them about their fears.

We of the GREEN Party will in fact be the most efficient and cost effective vote again as our resources per vote will be by far the lowest.

We are the real deal and will have breakthroughs just watch.

[geoffrey]

We are the real deal and will have breakthroughs just watch.

You might even get 15% in a riding!

[Peter F]

It seems that the Liberal party has found it very hard to find people willing to donate to their party and that being the reason they will not call for an election. According to an article in todays Ottawa Citizen, they have been very slow in getting finacial help, and they only just past the NDP for the amount of donation made in the last 4 months.

Geez, this almost makes me want to vote conservative....almost, but not quite.

[Topaz]

Cold, so what if Harper all this money more than the oppositions! Everyone now are accustom to what kind of ads the Cons throw out there about Dion. Harper needs to feel superior, so out come the ads, this is how the PM of the country gets his high??? We aren't even in election mode and instead of looking at problems with the $$, the auto sector and the forestry sector, he wants to get an emotional high by the ads!!!

[old_bold&cold]

Cold, so what if Harper all this money more than the oppositions! Everyone now are accustom to what kind of ads the Cons throw out there about Dion. Harper needs to feel superior, so out come the ads, this is how the PM of the country gets his high??? We aren't even in election mode and instead of looking at problems with the $$, the auto sector and the forestry sector, he wants to get an emotional high by the ads!!!

You say jobs are the problem, but the economy has created 5 times more jobs then expected. So if the losses are Harpers fault, then the gains must be to his credit right? Or are you like the rest of the snseless Liberals trying to make their party look like it stands for something, when it really is only looking out to save their own butts.

Sure Harper is delighted by what is taking place and yes the attack adds will shine a light on Dion. You can place ads in response but then you would not be able to pay for other things now would you. Be thankful that Harper does not just call an election tomorrow, as if he did the Liberals would not be able to do much of anything but flap their mouths, as they do not stand for anything. They have no platform, and the party hates their leader,more then they hate Harper. I think Harper is showing real class by not just opening all this to the light of an election, which is what I would do and then watch it all happen in the light of day. Which is something the Liberal definitely can not let happen.

Harper also said that since the opposition seems to be so willing to give him the power to open cases on past rivals, the Liberals should be aware that he would also do the same with Chretien and Martin, as well as Mulroney. So be careful what you ask for. As for me I would open and do them all, and let the chips fall where they may. So yes Harper is actually holding back, and it is about time the opposition realised this, and started to correct problems instead of making bigger ones. Because lets face reality, Harper does have a majority government for the forseeable future now does he not?

[jdobbin]

You say jobs are the problem, but the economy has created 5 times more jobs then expected. So if the losses are Harpers fault, then the gains must be to his credit right? Or are you like the rest of the snseless Liberals trying to make their party look like it stands for something, when it really is only looking out to save their own butts.

The jobs are being created in the public sector. Private sector job creation is anemic. That is a problem.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...PStory/Business

The bulk of October's gains were in the public sector, rather than among private companies, continuing a year-long trend. In the past year, public sector jobs have soared 4.9 per cent while private sector is up just 0.9 per cent. Self-employment has risen 6.7 per cent.

http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/273133

But maybe the financial whiz kids should have spent just a few more minutes poring over the data. Of the 63,000 jobs created in October, 49,000 were in public administration (government) and health care and social assistance (the broader public sector).

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financi...0d6&k=99509

The retooling of the country's social services that many Canadians have been demanding is now in full swing, with hiring in health, social assistance, public administration and education picking up dramatically in the past few months.

Ted Carmichael, chief Canadian economist at JP Morgan, points out that 126,000 of the 137,000 jobs added in the past three months have been in these public sector industries.

Edited November 3, 2007 by jdobbin

[Michael Bluth]

You say jobs are the problem, but the economy has created 5 times more jobs then expected. So if the losses are Harpers fault, then the gains must be to his credit right? Or are you like the rest of the snseless Liberals trying to make their party look like it stands for something, when it really is only looking out to save their own butts.

The jobs are being created in all sectors of the economy. Public sector and private sector. Anyone who claims different is just misrepresenting the facts.

[shavluk]

No actually they were government jobs as per what I have read.

So Harper is doing what he criticized the liberals for ,,,growing the public sector.

AND

Yes Harper hold an inquiry on all of them !!!!

THATS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING!!!

What a hypocrite and it sure tells me Mulroney is GUILTY !!

We should be demanding an inquiry on all of them and that's what I wrote to the GREENS!

[geoffrey]

What a hypocrite and it sure tells me Mulroney is GUILTY !!

Mulroney is guilty because Harper grew the public sector?

Buddy, you really need to lay of the weed for a bit and get your thoughts in order. You sound like you've completely lost touch.

[margrace]

A woman reporter on the news this morning commenting on Harpers lack of a rise in the polls expressed her view that women are more apt to sympathize with Dion. In My opinion Harpers attacks are doing him no good and perhaps he should back of the aggressive bullying.

[Moxie]

The liberal left aren't use to raising funds visa vie work. The Liberals raided the UI fund and the Federal Pension Plan to pay down debt without that slush fund they would of had to govern like Lyin Brian did by borrowing money. When the left need money they do not know how to raise it or earn it to pay for their ideas, traditionally they force us "Financially Responsible Center of right" to pay for their utopia ideas. LOL, the Liberal Party will not be able to raise much in the way of funding because the left are cheap and wasteful with cash.

As the auto industry collapse in Ontario, those workers can do what we in Atlantic Canada have been doing for decades migrate to the west to work. There are plenty of jobs out west, Ontario is not the "Have" province anymore Alberta and Sask. are. So for those who scream we need immigrants to keep up with the demand for workers here's my question? The cycle of industry booms and crashes has ensured that those that lose their jobs can find another job in the sectors that are lacking so why do we need mass amounts of unskilled labour brought in?

[Topaz]

Moving west isn't always possible and from what i hear of people who have been out there, there's problem find a place to live, healthcare could be a problem, the systems out there are going to burn out before they can build more housing and hospitals etc. Can you imagine if everyone from NFLD to Ontario moved to Alberta??? Sure that would make it easy for Harper to deal with the problems in the auto and forestry but that not the way to run a country. Perhaps Dion is smart by not bringing down the gov't and let Harper show the country how he can handle the problem at hand. So far not very good but he can keep put out those ads!!

[jazzer]

The jobs are being created in all sectors of the economy. Public sector and private sector. Anyone who claims different is just misrepresenting the facts.

Speaking of misrepresenting the facts:

...National Bank of Canada economist Stefane Marion also admitted to being "baffled" that the public sector which accounts for just 19 per cent of total employment, has accounted for all of the job growth for the past quarter year, while private sector payrolls have shrunk...

[jbg]

Because lets face reality, Harper does have a majority government for the forseeable future now does he not?

As "fellowtraveler" would say, Harper can force the Libs to eat "crap sandwiches" for the foreseeable future, since the Libs won't risk an election.

[margrace]

Several family members work in Alberta from BC and Ont. They report a huge alchohol and drug problem and no housing.