Anglophone Quebcers leaving the province

Leafless · November 4, 2007

I agree, you have no class......but I bet a background check would show some convictions.....

Class tells all about you...living in a separatist province.

Whats the matter, can't cut the mustard in English Canada?

The only convictions I have is a single speeding conviction, stemming from about 20 yrs. ago.

M.Dancer · November 5, 2007

Class tells all about you...living in a separatist province.
Whats the matter, can't cut the mustard in English Canada?

The only convictions I have is a single speeding conviction, stemming from about 20 yrs. ago.

As I said earlier in this thread I left in '83....and which only reinforces my thoughts that you only contribute to topics you know nothing about.

Leafless · November 5, 2007

As I said earlier in this thread I left in '83....and which only reinforces my thoughts that you only contribute to topics you know nothing about.

Since you said so much about your personal life, one would be hard pressed to separate Dancer's truth from fiction tales.

You said:

My brother is still there, living in the Point St Charles and working in logistics and my nephew is a manager with BMO, a position which pay substantially more there than elsewhere in Canada because he is fluent in both languages.

So much then for Quebec and their 'Official French Language', obviously more lying crapolla from La Belle Province.

M.Dancer · November 5, 2007

Since you said so much about your personal life, one would be hard pressed to separate Dancer's truth from fiction tales.
You said:

So much then for Quebec and their 'Official French Language', obviously more lying crapolla from La Belle Province.

Leafless makes me wonder......

I can understand getting in trouble for calling someone stupid, but can you get in hot water for maker yourself look stupid....or is that punishment enough? Are you punished enough, leafless?

mikedavid00 · November 5, 2007

Then why aren't bilingual Francophones leaving the province of Quebec in search of better job opportunities they are supposedly so qualified for?
According to an article in a Gatineau, Quebec paper 'The Bulletin, Wed. Oct. 27/2007', 42% of Quebecers do not pay taxes.

Wow I didn't know that.

Imagine how our political landscape would change if they were not allowed to vote.

It seems to me Quebec needs all the minorities it can get a hold of working and staying in Quebec for its own survival and prosperity.

I completely agree.

M.Dancer · November 5, 2007

Wow I didn't know that.
Imagine how our political landscape would change if they were not allowed to vote.

I completely agree.

Yoiu still don't know it becasue as usual, Leafless is full of it....

August presents the facts to counter Leafless' (ahem) inaccuriacies.....

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....ost&p=67245

Imagine how the political landscape would change if people who continuessly distort the facts were not allowed to vote.....on the otherhand, those cats are usually to lazy to vote, especially if it rains.....

old_bold&cold · November 5, 2007

I bought my first home in Gatineau in 1974. Both my wife and myself worked in Ottawa, and were always paying extra taxes coem tax time. I had also started 2 businesses, that the quebec government yold me I had to keep my books in french and I told them where to go and exactly how to get there fast. They threatened to take me to court, and in 1982 I just said for them to go screww themselves and moved to Ontario, where both my wife and myself got tax refunds every year. The tax difference was such that we each paid almost $1,800.00 more in taxes in Quebec, but when we moved to ontario we bought a tree farm and then got approx that same amount back in tax refunds. So the difference for the two of us was $7,200 per year to our credit. I would never move back to that province for any reason. By the way my wife is french and even she took exception to how the quebec government tried to push the issue.

I would be shocked to think that there are that many more anglophones left in Quebec to manage to make any kind of large numbers leaving any more. I personally do not care if Quebec seperates, but if it does, I would be willing to fight to make it so they only leave with what they came into Canada with in the first place, and if they will not accept this, we should have a final battle and see who wins. When it comes to quebec and their whiney french, I would rather any other immigrant then these guys, but that is why it is good that I am not in power, because the seperatist problem would be solved quickly once and for all, and all opposed charged with treason, and banished. Yeah yeah, I know I am cranky today

Argus · November 5, 2007

I guess our Scot's name is the reason my family thrived in Montreal.....
I wonder how many topics you would participate in if you confined your posts to subjects you actually knew something about?

What point are you trying to make here? That there is no anti-English feeling among Quebecers? No discrimination? That Anglos are not leaving and have not left Quebec because of it? You seem to be implying as much with your "My family is doing fine so it's all a big lie" kind of response.

Which is nonsense.

M.Dancer · November 5, 2007

What point are you trying to make here? That there is no anti-English feeling among Quebecers? No discrimination? That Anglos are not leaving and have not left Quebec because of it? You seem to be implying as much with your "My family is doing fine so it's all a big lie" kind of response.
Which is nonsense.

What's nonsense? That anglos are leaving becasue of descrimination? I agree. A lot of anglos have left and will leave....and they leave for exactly the same reasons why people leave manitoba or New Brunswick 0or any province....for opportunity.

And a lot of anglos stay too.....

There may even be anti anglo feelings ....big deal. Anglos on the whole are well educated and well insulated from the prejudices of habitants.....I will agree though that active darwinism is in place there......those too stupid or too stubborn to acquire a second language find themselves either in the lowest social strata in Quebec or they leave and become manual labourers out west.....

Leafless · November 5, 2007

Yoiu still don't know it becasue as usual, Leafless is full of it....
August presents the facts to counter Leafless' (ahem) inaccuriacies.....

If there is anyone inaccurate it is you and speculating August...your both full of it, unless you provide proof of what you are saying is accurate pertaining to the article.

Pick up a copy of the 'Bulletin', Wed. Oct. 24/2007, page 16, article title--'New political party defends Anglos & minorities and TELL ME WHERE EXACTLY WHAT LEAFLESS SAID IS INNACCURATE.

The only person that can verify what exactly "with 42% of Quebecers non-tax paying residents" means, is Allen Nutik of the leader of the new provincial party 'Affiliation Quebec'.

Contact this gentleman or the 'Bulletin' for your inquires rather than label Leafless "inaccurate' or that Leafless is full of it".

I am waiting for your apology.

M.Dancer · November 5, 2007

If there is anyone inaccurate it is you and speculating August...your both full of it, unless you provide proof of what you are saying is accurate pertaining to the article.
Pick up a copy of the 'Bulletin', Wed. Oct. 24/2007, page 16, article title--'New political party defends Anglos & minorities and TELL ME WHERE EXACTLY WHAT LEAFLESS SAID IS INNACCURATE.

The only person that can verify what exactly "with 42% of Quebecers non-tax paying residents" means, is Allen Nutik of the leader of the new provincial party 'Affiliation Quebec'.

Contact this gentleman or the 'Bulletin' for your inquires rather than label Leafless "inaccurate' or that Leafless is full of it".

I am waiting for your apology.

I am Sorry it is your habit to repeat un-critically any nonsence that suits your narrow view....But it stands August rebutted your nonsence perfectly.

M.Dancer · November 5, 2007

If there is anyone inaccurate it is you and speculating August...your both full of it, unless you provide proof of what you are saying is accurate pertaining to the article.
Pick up a copy of the 'Bulletin', Wed. Oct. 24/2007, page 16, article title--'New political party defends Anglos & minorities and TELL ME WHERE EXACTLY WHAT LEAFLESS SAID IS INNACCURATE.

The only person that can verify what exactly "with 42% of Quebecers non-tax paying residents" means, is Allen Nutik of the leader of the new provincial party 'Affiliation Quebec'.

Contact this gentleman or the 'Bulletin' for your inquires rather than label Leafless "inaccurate' or that Leafless is full of it".

I am waiting for your apology.

I am truly sorry it is your habit to regurgitate semi digested tidbits of nonsence that comes your Way. I am truly regretful you can't seem top grasp simple facts like the ones August posted.

jbg · November 5, 2007

This is an experiment. I'm moving forward a post on the thread topic, to see if it can draw some comments, as opposed to the inane backbiting that seems to characterize the last two-thirds of this thread.

Yes, I'm sure some who left Quebec fit into the category you describe. But 40,000 in just over a year? Something else is happening. The next year's numbers will be interesting.

I'm with you on this. I remember after the November 1976 elections there was a flood of people and companies leaving. Unfortunately, while Quebec has not separated the wreckage has (from my reading of Jewish publications covering the fate of Montreal's once robust Jewish community) been awful.

The previous sumbliminal bigotry against Anglophones was replaced first with the 1974 package of education laws, and then sign laws circa 1977. People who had been contributors to the community over the years, as Anglophones now had to go through contortions to have their children educated in English, had to have road sign chnaged from "Lake Avenue" to Chaplin Lac or some similar ahistorical name. Now, from what I hear, they are forcing communities to change historical names going back to the 1600's and 1700's with French names.

The Francophones are making what could have been a glorious experiment in cross-cultural cooperation fail and I myself, if faced with that, would up and leave.

Leafless · November 5, 2007

I am truly sorry it is your habit to regurgitate semi digested tidbits of nonsence that comes your Way. I am truly regretful you can't seem top grasp simple facts like the ones August posted.

The facts are Quebec is a welfare state:

In June 2002, Joseph Facal, a bright young Parti Québécois cabinet minister, risked losing his job by saying his party might provoke a middle-class backlash because it couldn't get over its infatuation with an ever-more-cumbersome welfare state. "Forty-four per cent of Quebecers don't pay tax," Facal said. "Imagine the pressure on the rest."

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ind...s=M1ARTM0013047

guyser · November 6, 2007

The facts are Quebec is a welfare state:
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ind...s=M1ARTM0013047

Hmm....44% of Quebecers are underaged thus not working?

19 and under in Quebec accounts for 24% of the pop.

65 and over account for 13%

Simple math says that equal 37%. National unemployment is what , around 5%?

(StatsCan)

Voila..........42%

Oh and if you wouldnt mind, please cite the "Bulletin" piece since it was nowhere to be found by moi.

Merci beaucoup Monsieur leafless.

Leafless · November 6, 2007

Hmm....44% of Quebecers are underaged thus not working?
19 and under in Quebec accounts for 24% of the pop.

65 and over account for 13%

Simple math says that equal 37%. National unemployment is what , around 5%?

(StatsCan)

Voila..........42%

Simplistic B.S. mean nothing, guyser math digging up percentages to add up to 42%.

Why don't you do some real digging and tell us what the actual welfare rate is in Quebec?

Here is some handy info:

Statistics for Quebec

o I in 5 Quebecers have difficulty reading and have few basic skills or strategies for decoding and working with a text (Level 1)

o 49% of Quebecers aged 16-65 do not have the “desired” level of competency to function easily in today’s society (Levels 1 and 2)

o Almost 800,000 adult Quebecers aged fifteen to sixty-four have less than a grade nine education

o Adult Quebecers at levels 1, 2 and even 3 could have significant difficulties with much of the written information and many of the new technologies that they encounter at work and in everyday situations

o The number of adults attending literacy classes in Quebec is far smaller than the number of adults who actually need these services

Oh and if you wouldnt mind, please cite the "Bulletin" piece since it was nowhere to be found by moi.
Merci beaucoup Monsieur leafless.

Your French and you don't know the 'Bulletin' is located in Gallery de Aylmer' in Gatineau.

M.Dancer · November 6, 2007

1 in 100s of mapleleaf posters have difficulty crediting a citation.

M.Dancer · November 6, 2007

Your French and you don't know the 'Bulletin' is located in Gallery de Aylmer' in Gatineau.

I'm not sure....but is that english or pidgin english?

guyser · November 6, 2007

Simplistic B.S. mean nothing, guyser math digging up percentages to add up to 42%.
Why don't you do some real digging and tell us what the actual welfare rate is in Quebec?

LOL...t'was very easy . I went to the link below and found those numbers. They added up pretty close and make sense to me.

In lieu of any link from you I tried to think why might42% of Quebecers not pay taxes. So I looked at StatsCan and found those numbers , they are real and you can see for yourself.

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/p...nion/age/qc.cfm

Here is some handy info:
Statistics for Quebec

o I in 5 Quebecers have difficulty reading and have few basic skills or strategies for decoding and working with a text (Level 1)

o 49% of Quebecers aged 16-65 do not have the “desired” level of competency to function easily in today’s society (Levels 1 and 2)

o Almost 800,000 adult Quebecers aged fifteen to sixty-four have less than a grade nine education

o Adult Quebecers at levels 1, 2 and even 3 could have significant difficulties with much of the written information and many of the new technologies that they encounter at work and in everyday situations

o The number of adults attending literacy classes in Quebec is far smaller than the number of adults who actually need these services

Your French and you don't know the 'Bulletin' is located in Gallery de Aylmer' in Gatineau.

Half french thankyou and couldnt speak it to save my life , well maybe to save my life but not to get directions to a restaurant.

Now, what about those numbers you posted. Please explain how what you posted has anything to do with unemployment? I dont see any numbers corresponding...do you? And in fact it says nothing about not paying taxes.

As for the Aylmer having the Bulletin, I did find that online but a search in the website turned up nothing. Thus I asked for where you found that. Nothing sinister.....just asking.

Give us a link please.

M.Dancer · November 6, 2007

Half french thankyou and couldnt speak it to save my life , well maybe to save my life but not to get directions to a restaurant.

Prend la 2-2o- est jusque Lachine et met las premier gauche....Lafleurs et dans le droit

guyser · November 6, 2007

Prend la 2-2o- est jusque Lachine et met las premier gauche....Lafleurs et dans le droit

Takes the 2-2o- is even Lachine and puts tired left first. ...Lafleurs and in the right

And thats from a translation website.

No wonder I suck at it. SHould've paid attention in french class.

M.Dancer · November 6, 2007

Takes the 2-2o- is even Lachine and puts tired left first. ...Lafleurs and in the right
And thats from a translation website.

No wonder I suck at it. SHould've paid attention in french class.

That and tha fact I may be able to speak functional french and I can even read Le Journal, I can't write it at all....

Should read,

take the 2 -20 east just to Lachine and use the first left, Lafluers is in on (sur) the right

Leafless · November 6, 2007

1 in 100s of mapleleaf posters have difficulty crediting a citation.

It was not included as it is a PDF file from Statistics of Canada and Quebec-QELAWebSite with no URL.

Leafless · November 6, 2007

Now, what about those numbers you posted. Please explain how what you posted has anything to do with unemployment? I dont see any numbers corresponding...do you? And in fact it says nothing about not paying taxes.

The following quote is not from the Bulletin and you can find that link earlier in this thread.

In June 2002, Joseph Facal, a bright young Parti Québécois cabinet minister, risked losing his job by saying his party might provoke a middle-class backlash because it couldn't get over its infatuation with an ever-more-cumbersome welfare state. "Forty-four per cent of Quebecers don't pay tax," Facal said. "Imagine the pressure on the rest."

Reference was made by this PQ cabinet minister that Quebec is a welfare state. OK.

As for the Aylmer having the Bulletin, I did find that online but a search in the website turned up nothing. Thus I asked for where you found that. Nothing sinister.....just asking.

I forgot, your not from Ottawa. Galleries de Aylmer is a shopping mall in 'old Aylmer' now part of Gatineau, Quebec.

The 'Bulletin' can be reached on line: www.bulletinaylmer.com

I didn't notice that initially as I am not a regular reader of that small local paper.

Have fun.