why Alberta hasn't seperated

[no queenslave]

Alberta needs to take some notes from Kwebek's playbook. I live in Alberta, and we're kind of unique. I'm from the Alberta oilpatch and we're kind of unique. Oh, and I live near the Nisku industrial park, and we're kind of unique there, too. So I want to be known as a Nation within a Nation within a Nation. That's one more "nation" than Kwebek, so we win and we get to separate first. Pfft!

The Republic of Alberta should be setting it's own immigration policies, collecting it' own federal and provincial taxes, opting out of the transfer payment theft scheme, and canceling all, yes all, indian land claims and payments.

That would be a good start.

p.s. - I want all my EI and CPP money back. A certified check (not cheque) will do nicely. Thanks.

Whoo- its own federal and provincial taxes- If it is a republic then what is federal and what is provincial; or would they become one? The rest is agreeable. time to have a constitution where everyone is equal. No special status for anyone. I prefer no personal income taxes ; as it is to bureaucratic, and the same taxes could be collected as a tax payed by employers on employees wages . one tax form for each company insated of hundreds of tax forms for each person employed. Isn't that is what the companies are now doing by deducting federal taxes from your paycheck now. The only difference is you would not have to file personal income tax forms. sorry all you ccra overpaid corrupt dictators with a god mentality; most of you would be out of a job. A much less costly system to opperate. No personal income taxes would solve the native problem; making everyone equal. No advantage to stay on reserves, and collect welfare.

[kimmy]

If you understand that the second oldest son of wealthy families in Britain sent their sons to live in canada and paid them to stay their while passing on thse family buisiness to the eldest son. most settled in Alberta. A lot of old ties to the British.

Flat out false, particularly that "most settled in Alberta." If you believe that, then you're simply uninformed about the history of the Canadian prairies.

Most Canadians of British Isles descent stayed in Ontario and the Maritimes. Those that continued west were a small fraction of the total who arrived in Canada.

It is for this reason that Canada recruited non-British immigrants aggressively in the period between Confederation and roughly 100 years ago. This is why one finds so many people of Slavic and German and Scandinavian descent on the prairies.

"most settled in Alberta"? Bollocks to that.

-k

Edited October 27, 2007 by kimmy

[Leafless]

time to create a charter of equality and constitution wit no nothwithastanding clause .Quebec persons pay 13.5% less federal income tax rate then you; just so you can pay more equalization dollars to them.

You can thank Harpers last budget for that one increasing transfers to the government of Quebec by 20% in one year representing $2.2-billion dollars and by Quebec creating a family support program, which equates to less taxes owing.

I don't understand where you get your 13.5% as this amount varies with income.

[ScottSA]

I don't understand where you get your 13.5% as this amount varies with income.

Hang on. He's gone to check the Statute of Westminister for its immutable wisdom on this issue.

[Hydraboss]

Beat me to it Scott.

Edited October 27, 2007 by Hydraboss

[Moxie]

Hang on. He's gone to check the Statute of Westminister for its immutable wisdom on this issue.

Is that a Statue or a statute? My god he worships the queen and her idols. I bet his last name is Tutor??????????

Now let us meander back twenty years in history when Alberta's economy was in the toilet, tanked, joblessness abounded and housing prices bottomed out. You couldn't give a house away back then in Alberta, exspecially Edmonton, and who paid to keep this province a float during it's poverty years? Well yes Moxy that would be Ontario and Quebec, now that Alberta is doing well SOME narrowmined Albertains want to seperate and hog all the oil bucks. Well how greedy the fallen mighty have become, it's scary what oil dollars do to people isn't it.

[geoffrey]

Now let us meander back twenty years in history when Alberta's economy was in the toilet, tanked, joblessness abounded and housing prices bottomed out. You couldn't give a house away back then in Alberta, exspecially Edmonton, and who paid to keep this province a float during it's poverty years? Well yes Moxy that would be Ontario and Quebec, now that Alberta is doing well SOME narrowmined Albertains want to seperate and hog all the oil bucks. Well how greedy the fallen mighty have become, it's scary what oil dollars do to people isn't it.

Actually, even in the darkest days of the NEP, Alberta was still a net contributor to equalisation... plus we were subsidizing all of Canada through ridiculous controls on oil prices.

[ScottSA]

Alberta's best asset is the spirit of its people. I have never been in a province with a more get-up-and-go attitude. Almost like the states, without the Mexicans.

[jbg]

you are missing more than one link, and your comments have no credibility. You should learn to read something other than your government propaganda. What link have you to support that no sons of wealthy were sent to live in Canada?

In english, we capitalize the first letter of every sentence, particularly at the beginning of a paragraph. And why the personal attacks? You're the last person in a position to do that on this Board, in my opinion.

[jbg]

If you understand that the second oldest son of wealthy families in Britain sent their sons to live in canada and paid them to stay their while passing on thse family buisiness to the eldest son. most settled in Alberta. A lot of old ties to the British.

I would say a stronger reason is that Canada is a democracy, as would Alberta be if it separated. Secession is not the democratic way, since it's a breach of the fabric that holds civil society together. A person, region or city cannot simply decide that it doesn't like the way things are going and split. Otherwise, any region doing well relative to the rest of its country would be looking to secede. The resulting chaos would be beyond imagination.

We taught this lesson to our South between 1861 and 1865 and the South is now one of the most jingoistically patriotic part of a jingoistic, patriotic country.

[no queenslave]

Flat out false, particularly that "most settled in Alberta." If you believe that, then you're simply uninformed about the history of the Canadian prairies.

Most Canadians of British Isles descent stayed in Ontario and the Maritimes. Those that continued west were a small fraction of the total who arrived in Canada.

It is for this reason that Canada recruited non-British immigrants aggressively in the period between Confederation and roughly 100 years ago. This is why one finds so many people of Slavic and German and Scandinavian descent on the prairies.

"most settled in Alberta"? Bollocks to that.

-k

Too bad you did not understand the post ; as it referred to 1890-1900 and the second sons of the wealthy people who were paid to stay here. I know you will post the census of the population of the west for 1900 to show you are right. Or you are just flat out boollock.

[no queenslave]

You can thank Harpers last budget for that one increasing transfers to the government of Quebec by 20% in one year representing $2.2-billion dollars and by Quebec creating a family support program, which equates to less taxes owing.

I don't understand where you get your 13.5% as this amount varies with income.

www.fin.gc.ca/FEDPROV/alpaye.html

Department of Canada finance.

Edited October 29, 2007 by no queenslave

[no queenslave]

I would say a stronger reason is that Canada is a democracy, as would Alberta be if it separated. Secession is not the democratic way, since it's a breach of the fabric that holds civil society together. A person, region or city cannot simply decide that it doesn't like the way things are going and split. Otherwise, any region doing well relative to the rest of its country would be looking to secede. The resulting chaos would be beyond imagination.

We taught this lesson to our South between 1861 and 1865 and the South is now one of the most jingoistically patriotic part of a jingoistic, patriotic country.

The more democratic way must be like how the U.S. was created. Send in the war mongers.

You must be able to explain the chaos beyond imagination ; why such propaganda?Their will be no chaos; except for the ruling corrupt government, and the appointed corrupt judges loosing power.

[Hydraboss]

So to sum up...

queenie has no clue as to Canadian history.

queenie has even worse skills in english and is generally rude to posters.

queenie doesn't really have any idea why Alberta hasn't separated.

Does that pretty much cover it?

Here's a hint for you queenie: Quit sniveling about Westminster and do some homework. Even you should be able to see that you are hopelessly outclassed when it comes to facts on this board, and more pointedly, on this subject. Sit back quietly and listen, you might learn something.

As for why Alberta has not yet separated, why not ask Albertans? Or would that make too much sense? There is no good reason for the lack of movement towards secession except for:

#1 - Feigned feelings of "togetherness" with the ROC

#2 - Too many "non-Albertans" living here that would not want to part from there families in their home provinces

#3 - Far too many politicians spouting how Alberta would suffer without the ROC

Should we (meaning us, not you) separate? Absolutely. There would be no important loss for the people of Alberta, only the people of Canada. I for one am sick of supporting them (Ontario excepted as always) and I also don't want to leave this kind of legacy for my kids to pay for. Keep in mind that in Alberta we believe in working for what we get, unlike some parts of Canada. Do we have a different attitude here? One would have to be blind not to see it.

Now, try to stay on topic if you can.

[jbg]

queenie has no clue as to Canadian history.

Even I, a Yank, knows that Meech Lake was a Mulroney effort, and that Trudeau opposed it. She labels it a Trudeau effort.

queenie has even worse skills in english and is generally rude to posters.

English is the Queen's language. Any reason she wouldn't trash it?

[no queenslave]

Even I, a Yank, knows that Meech Lake was a Mulroney effort, and that Trudeau opposed it. She labels it a Trudeau effort.

English is the Queen's language. Any reason she wouldn't trash it?

Since you know so much post the difference in the governing of the colony Canada ; and the difference of governing the sovereign provinces and the sovereign free people after the passage of the Statute of Westminster. Did all the politicians loose their power to govern or just assumed

a dictatorship; and continued to govern with no mandate by the people. If you think the sovereign people of Canada created and ratified a constitution post it.

Mulroney and Trudeau were both dictators; who lied to the people , trying to get the people to legalize a their dictatorship.

[jbg]

Since you know so much post the difference in the governing of the colony Canada ; and the difference of governing the sovereign provinces and the sovereign free people after the passage of the Statute of Westminster.

A violent, costly war such as the US experienced for its independence is not the only way to gain freedom from a colonizing power. In practice, Canada was independent as of July 1, 1867 in domestic matters, and by the end of WW I in foreign affairs. Formal ratification of this awaited the passage of the Statute of Westminister. Already, by 1926 (or was in 1924) with the King/Byng affair the GG's role as head of state of Canada as opposed to representative of the United Kingdom was clear in practice as opposed to in theory. In practice, Britain had already long ceased telling Canada what to do or not to do. With Canada's proud performance, in many ways outshining the Brits, in WW I the practical reality was already in place.

Did all the politicians loose their power to govern or just assumed a dictatorship; and continued to govern with no mandate by the people. If you think the sovereign people of Canada created and ratified a constitution post it.

Not sure what you mean. Elaborate. Engrish preaze.

Mulroney and Trudeau were both dictators; who lied to the people , trying to get the people to legalize a their dictatorship.

I am most offended by this part of your rant. I carry no flag for either one, certainly not for Trudeau.

(Now warming up).

My people, the Jews, know firsthand the impact of dictatorships. We have suffered greatly at the hands of absolute monarchs throughout history. Matters reached a crescendo with the czars of Russia, the Communist dictatorship of Stalin and of course the horrors of the Holocaust.

(At full boil)It is simply obscene to lump in leaders whose policies you find distasteful with the dictatorial butchers of history. When you made these posts, you were not looking behind you for a Stasi or Gestapo officer. You go to sleep, safely and soundly every night, at least, certainly not worrying that CSIS will pluck you out of bed and lead you to the gas chambers. You, and I, are lucky to live in the freeest countries of history, and among the best and most transparently governed. Are our governments perfect? No. But ingrates like you get me mad. Very mad.

(End of rant).

[no queenslave]

A violent, costly war such as the US experienced for its independence is not the only way to gain freedom from a colonizing power. In practice, Canada was independent as of July 1, 1867 in domestic matters, and by the end of WW I in foreign affairs. Formal ratification of this awaited the passage of the Statute of Westminister. Already, by 1926 (or was in 1924) with the King/Byng affair the GG's role as head of state of Canada as opposed to representative of the United Kingdom was clear in practice as opposed to in theory. In practice, Britain had already long ceased telling Canada what to do or not to do. With Canada's proud performance, in many ways outshining the Brits, in WW I the practical reality was already in place.

Not sure what you mean. Elaborate. Engrish preaze.

I am most offended by this part of your rant. I carry no flag for either one, certainly not for Trudeau.

(Now warming up).

My people, the Jews, know firsthand the impact of dictatorships. We have suffered greatly at the hands of absolute monarchs throughout history. Matters reached a crescendo with the czars of Russia, the Communist dictatorship of Stalin and of course the horrors of the Holocaust.

(At full boil)It is simply obscene to lump in leaders whose policies you find distasteful with the dictatorial butchers of history. When you made these posts, you were not looking behind you for a Stasi or Gestapo officer. You go to sleep, safely and soundly every night, at least, certainly not worrying that CSIS will pluck you out of bed and lead you to the gas chambers. You, and I, are lucky to live in the freeest countries of history, and among the best and most transparently governed. Are our governments perfect? No. But ingrates like you get me mad. Very mad.

(End of rant).

As a jew you must be proud of how your people respect the right of the Palistinians to compensation for the theft of their property by the state of Israel.

You have not posted any valid constitution drafted and ratified by the sovereign people of canada; becaus you have none. Their was no difference in the way Saddam ran his government than how Trudeau did ; both assumed power and did what they wanted; denial of that fact showes you are just part of the corruption like the supporters of Saddams government were.Trudeau wanted a french country to rule overas a dictator, and did everything to that end,

Only government supporters who are on the gravy train do not want the fact that Canadian people did not ratify a constitution; to become well known. So transparent that the government has no ratified constitution, and they claim the queen is just a figerhead with no power; so is it the jews have the power in Canada. .

[no queenslave]

When all you loosers who think you know so much have read - Canada a country without a constitution- by Walter F. Kuhl M.P, 1935 to 1949. can disporve his findings by posting hansard; then you will be respected by me ; otherwise all you know is government propaganda as you have been well indoctrinated.

It is interesting how much effort you put in to support your indoctrination; without any hansard to back up your propaganda.

Edited October 29, 2007 by no queenslave

[guyser]

When all you loosers who think you know so much have read

Well I did undo my belt buckle after dinner.....ya know to make it "looser"

Yes yes, we are the "loosers" , but we know how to spell

[geoffrey]

Alberta's best asset is the spirit of its people. I have never been in a province with a more get-up-and-go attitude. Almost like the states, without the Mexicans.

You don't find harder workers with more get up and go than Mexicans. We import them in Calgary to build our houses, white people apparently think they are too good and would rather panhandle.

[Moxie]

Well I did undo my belt buckle after dinner.....ya know to make it "looser"

Yes yes, we are the "loosers" , but we know how to spell

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLlllllllllll, to funny and you spelt everythang so beautifally it brought a tear to me eye dear guyser are you an agent of the Goberment like meself?

Well as a "Government Agent" who's prime directive ( opps I mean Mission Statement) is to make all Canadians bow before the Queen of England and pay for her lavish lifestyle visa vie our taxes and other stuff I can only state this thread has degraded from a thread about a wonderful province and it's people to a thread on "We live in a communist country that supports "Hunting to the Hounds" againnnnnnnnnnnnn."

[no queenslave]

So to sum up...

queenie has no clue as to Canadian history.

queenie has even worse skills in english and is generally rude to posters.

queenie doesn't really have any idea why Alberta hasn't separated.

Does that pretty much cover it?

Here's a hint for you queenie: Quit sniveling about Westminster and do some homework. Even you should be able to see that you are hopelessly outclassed when it comes to facts on this board, and more pointedly, on this subject. Sit back quietly and listen, you might learn something.

As for why Alberta has not yet separated, why not ask Albertans? Or would that make too much sense? There is no good reason for the lack of movement towards secession except for:

#1 - Feigned feelings of "togetherness" with the ROC

#2 - Too many "non-Albertans" living here that would not want to part from there families in their home provinces

#3 - Far too many politicians spouting how Alberta would suffer without the ROC

Should we (meaning us, not you) separate? Absolutely. There would be no important loss for the people of Alberta, only the people of Canada. I for one am sick of supporting them (Ontario excepted as always) and I also don't want to leave this kind of legacy for my kids to pay for. Keep in mind that in Alberta we believe in working for what we get, unlike some parts of Canada. Do we have a different attitude here? One would have to be blind not to see it.

Now, try to stay on topic if you can.

alberta hasent sepperated because of indoctrinated people like you who have only government propaganda ; and call others who have documented evidence that they have no clue. You have no clue.When Alberta got it's right of independence in 1931 , what have you done since to create a constitution for Alberta- ZERO, because you are clueless.

After you read Canada a country without a constitution by Walter F. Kuhl M.P, 1935 to 1949 ; then you may be able to understand that what you post is just government propaganda, as your clue. Dispute his hansard records as the evidence he relied on with your hansard record to dispute his findings. I know all you can do is try to discredit me and his findings; and you can not produce any hansard records to dispute the fact Canada has no valid constitution ratified by the sovereign people of Canada. You are no boss at all .

[no queenslave]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLlllllllllll, to funny and you spelt everythang so beautifally it brought a tear to me eye dear guyser are you an agent of the Goberment like meself?

Well as a "Government Agent" who's prime directive ( opps I mean Mission Statement) is to make all Canadians bow before the Queen of England and pay for her lavish lifestyle visa vie our taxes and other stuff I can only state this thread has degraded from a thread about a wonderful province and it's people to a thread on "We live in a communist country that supports "Hunting to the Hounds" againnnnnnnnnnnnn."

you are the one degrading the thread. you have not posted any hansard record to prove my post wrong; but still want to post ; demonstrating your lack of knowledge on the subject,.

[no queenslave]

Even the Alberta separation party looks like a failure; because they were more interested in getting elected then separation.

Edited October 30, 2007 by no queenslave