The Six Nations and Crime in Ontario

[Moxie]

Well, I guess you haven't.

Whatever the case, looks like one of those "native activists" / "warrior" has been released on bail yet again:

http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/276476

And you point would be what eggactly?

If you note my last paragraph you will see I stated the Natives need an inner revolt to cleanse the greedy from their ranks. If the only voice you hear is your own it's not a "Negotiation" it's a lecture. They need to shut up and listen to legal advice not wage violence against those who have done them no harm.

I believe we should honour our treaties, no and if buts or ors from the left or right. We signed legal documents and we should honour them. History has document how Germans treated minority groups, that countries history is littered with the deaths of inncents. It's hardly an example honour and decency.

[kengs333]

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[guyser]

Dual citizen, murder suspect, caught in Parry Sound.

http://www.parrysound.com/press/1160624850/

There are more but no point in me posting them.

Exactly like yours.

[kengs333]

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[guyser]

No, your post is off topic, unlike mine. If you want to discuss dual citizenship and crime, please start a new thread.

Neither one had a point.But you will of course not get that.

Carry on.

[Posit]

Neither one had a point.But you will of course not get that.

Carry on.

Here's one:

Man Charged with Uttering Threats

Interesting.....

"The victims are aboriginal Canadians."

"Police have charged the man with uttering threats and breach of probation. They will also be consulting with the Crown attorney with respect to an incitement of hatred charged in connection with the incident."

I wonder......this seems to be a trend.....amongst non-natives......criminals....

[kengs333]

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[Posit]

Yeah, it doesn't say what race the victimizers are, does it? I hope that you're not assuming that they're "white"--under any other circumstance that sort of assumption would be considered "racist," right? Moreover, there's abviously a double-standard here; were it three Indians who did such a thing to a white, would race even be mentioned? Probably not.

Anyway, if you have the time, maybe you'd care to search old issues of the Brantford Expositor for crime in and around Six Nations... For example (from Osprey MediaArchives") :

1) "More than 100 attend vigil for beating victim

Brantford Expositor (ON) - Final - 12-06-2003 - 509 words

Susan Gamble - , police arrested a 15-year-old boy in Niagara Falls and charged him with attempted murder. The identity of the boy -- last living in Ohsweken -- is protected by the Youth Criminal"

2) "Rapist jailed for 'horrific' attack: 'I made a big mistake'

Brantford Expositor (ON) - Final - 05-18-2002 - 954 words

A term of nine years in prison was handed a 20-year-old Ohsweken man on Friday for savagely attacking a woman after he entered her home last June, lying to"

3) "Teen charged in early morning assault, burglary on River Road

Brantford Expositor (ON) - Final - 03-27-2006 - 146 words

A 17-year-old male from Six Nations has been charged with attempted murder after a burglary and stabbing early Sunday morning on River Road, near Ohsweken. The victim, a 17"

4) "Man back in Guelph court on Feb. 15

Brantford Expositor (ON) - 01-25-2007 - 75 words

An Ohsweken man will return to court Feb. 15 in Guelph to face a reduced charge of aggravated assault in a summer stabbing incident. Darryl House, 26, was originally charged with"

5) "Father shot, son charged

Brantford Expositor (ON) - Final - 01-03-2001 - 103 words

in hospital and his 21-year-old son in custody. Vernon Lawrence Hill, of R2 Ohsweken, is charged with attempted murder, aggravated assault, discharging a firearm with intent and other firearm"

6) "Ohsweken man faces attempted murder charge

Brantford Expositor (ON) - Final - 06-20-2001 - 62 words

A 19-year-old Ohsweken man who faces numerous charges, including attempted murder, appeared in bail court in Brantford Tuesday. Karl Froman faces six charges including attempted murder, aggravated sexual assault"

7) "Ohsweken man pleads guilty to assaulting 4-year-old

Brantford Expositor (ON) - Final - 12-13-2002 - 211 words

A 30-year-old First Line Road, Ohsweken man will be sentenced Jan. 29 for an attack on a four-year-old boy. Derek Hill was charged with aggravated assault in"

etc., etc., etc. Like I said, people of all races commit crime, but there's obviously problems in Six Nations, and these problems have an impact on Ontario as a whole. Time for Six Nations to start doing something about, start taking responsibility for the actions of their own people.

What a stretch.....

Do your expose on Brantford for the same time period. You'll a greater number of crimes - many more serious - over the same time period.

You are motivated, aren't you.....Did a native piss you off or beat you up?

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[Posit]

Actually....after doing a bit of internet sleuthing, I think I know why you don't like natives......

Are you friends with the owner of Voice of Canada perhaps?

[kengs333]

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[soowas]

No, I'm just a law abiding Canadian who likes to see the issue of crime in this country addressed properly and dealt with accordingly. If there is a group out there that feels they have a distinct identity, and that group exhibits certain negative characteristcs, since they are part of the same society as I am, they are open to criticism and rebuke.

Yea, And I am the Toy Makers Assciation of the North Pole. My employer is Santa Claus. As I previously stated in a post, you are a DUCK.

I ntoiced you have posted extensive "rhetoric" on the Six Nations, specifically targetting the population thereof.

Just be cognizant of the fact, not all things can be performed annonymously on the internet as most people think.

[kengs333]

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[jennie]

Very interesting statistics. As they say, the numbers speak for themself.

We're talking about the Six Nations Reserve which is in the heart of southwestern Ontario, a thirty minute drive from a major city and situated in a fairly densely populated region. These people have access to all of the services that you list, and if I'm not mistaken, in some respects receive special treatment/additional funding because of their status.

I'm not saying that it's "by nature"--people from all races engage in criminal activity. I think crime arises in all groups from the same general problems; insufficient parenting, poor community leadership, language and cultural differences, lack of faith, etc.

Correction ... YOU are talking about Six Nations without posting a single bit of evidence to support your allegations of crime.

Prove you have something to talk about before starting a thread based on your made up rumours.

[jennie]

Maybe you'd care to explain yourself a little better. Who is the "owner of Voice of Canada" and what possible reason would I be "friends" with him or her?

Because most those 'white nationalist' racists around these parts know each other.

Have they left you out?

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[jennie]

Sorry, but the crime problem on Six Nations is hardly something that is made up. It's fairly common knowledge to anyone who lives in the region.

I read the crime reports from that area. The vast majority are not from Six Nations. You had to dredge 6 years back to get a few. There are that many every week in the county.

You are making it up. You have no credible evidence.

Are you a white nationalist?

Certainly your views fit the pattern.

Why don't you check out Stormfront and see if you like the fit.

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[kengs333]

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[maxsyno]

Keng:

Your attitude stinks of the colonial character. It comes through every pore of your skin or every word you type I will show you from your own words;

"How many members of Six Nations live off reserve, like that kid who murdered someone in Brantford the other week? I don't think you quite understand; I only listed a few; if I were to catalogue all of the crimes committed by people from Ohsweken alone, I'd have to spend weeks if not months compiling the list.

You're really drifting into the "calling someone a racist or bigot" zone. So every time someone has an issue with how Six Nations functions, it constitutes "racism" and hence they must be sympathetic to the white supremacist movement? Isn't that convenient.

That was not said. You ASSUMED it.

"Put it this way, if people want to be respected and treated as equals in my society",

Who's society!!!! Such an audacity. Only an ignoranant redneck could say that. Canada does not belong to either Jesus and his bunch of cronies or yourself but to the corporations

"then they are open to criticism for what I perceive to be their failings, just like anyone else".

Again the arrogance as if YOUR OPINION counts. What you percieve is irrelevent. We are speaking statistics. Not only that we need to ask IF they are correct. Statistics are more often than not manipulated by the POLITICS of the RESEARCHER

That is common knowledge.

"If some group in my society"

Your Society. People who live here should be equally part of society. It is NOT just YOURS. Your attitude is one of ownership and superiority, as seen from the very words you use.

"want to undermine Canada and just in general cause problems, then I'm going to say something about it regardless of their race or religion."

Firstly, people do not WANT to commit a crime. Crime is committed because government fails to meet out is social contract. And you 'saying so' without consideration of race, religion is the same as the 'christian supremicist' complex concerning there percieved notions of superiority.

"It's you who always views things through the perspective of race, and twists everything that has to do with Six Nations as a racial issue. Frankly, I think it's getting a little tiring, and I'm wondering if maybe this sort of conduct on your part is the reason you were absent for the last little while..."

Who cares?

As if you matter! You and your 'sort of conduct', not everybody desires to kiss the backside of a christian preacher. They are idiots. They present manners/conduct as 'the way to 'salvation' , white supremicist notions of salvation anyway,while committing atrocities all over the world.

Edited November 18, 2007 by maxsyno

[Oleg Bach]

Keng:

Your attitude stinks of the colonial character. It comes through every pore of your skin or every word you type I will show you from your own words;

"How many members of Six Nations live off reserve, like that kid who murdered someone in Brantford the other week? I don't think you quite understand; I only listed a few; if I were to catalogue all of the crimes committed by people from Ohsweken alone, I'd have to spend weeks if not months compiling the list.

You're really drifting into the "calling someone a racist or bigot" zone. So every time someone has an issue with how Six Nations functions, it constitutes "racism" and hence they must be sympathetic to the white supremacist movement? Isn't that convenient.

That was not said. You ASSUMED it.

"Put it this way, if people want to be respected and treated as equals in my society",

Who's society!!!! Such an audacity. Only an ignoranant redneck could say that. Canada does not belong to either Jesus and his bunch of cronies or yourself but to the corporations

"then they are open to criticism for what I perceive to be their failings, just like anyone else".

Again the arrogance as if YOUR OPINION counts. What you percieve is irrelevent. We are speaking statistics. Not only that we need to ask IF they are correct. Statistics are more often than not manipulated by the POLITICS of the RESEARCHER

That is common knowledge.

"If some group in my society"

Your Society. People who live here should be equally part of society. It is NOT just YOURS. Your attitude is one of ownership and superiority, as seen from the very words you use.

"want to undermine Canada and just in general cause problems, then I'm going to say something about it regardless of their race or religion."

Firstly, people do not WANT to commit a crime. Crime is committed because government fails to meet out is social contract. And you 'saying so' without consideration of race, religion is the same as the 'christian supremicist' complex concerning there percieved notions of superiority.

"It's you who always views things through the perspective of race, and twists everything that has to do with Six Nations as a racial issue. Frankly, I think it's getting a little tiring, and I'm wondering if maybe this sort of conduct on your part is the reason you were absent for the last little while..."

Who cares?

As if you matter! You and your 'sort of conduct', not everybody desires to kiss the backside of a christian preacher. They are idiots. They present manners/conduct as 'the way to 'salvation' , white supremicist notions of salvation anyway,while committing atrocities all over the world.

The private estate that is Ontario and the liberal city state of Tononto are a mess. If corporations want to have their own huge ranch..they had better hire some good farm managers...as far as First Nations...at the end of my fine upscale street near the core of Toronto..there are First Nations types who spend all day poisoning the ragged and twitiching remnants of the children of Irish labourers....First Nations ratinalize gambling - and crack sales as a right - and under the "harm reduction programs" that liberality have set up..some of the First Nations types believe that because they were poisoned with alcohol and abused by the whites that it is now their turn to parasite on our weakests and less aware.

As far as this being your friends society and him claiming ownership - I suggest that he get out and work and manage the place properly before he claims to be the boss..There is nothing more disconcerting than seeing a well dressed "harm reduction worker" holding the hand of a young female crack addict while a First nations jerk arrives on his bike to deliver the dope...as this trio stand in united liberality on the corner - all I see is a failed system...so if you want to own it you had better practice some stewardship or shut up.

[ScottSA]

Keng:

Your attitude stinks of the colonial character. It comes through every pore of your skin or every word you type I will show you from your own words;

"How many members of Six Nations live off reserve, like that kid who murdered someone in Brantford the other week? I don't think you quite understand; I only listed a few; if I were to catalogue all of the crimes committed by people from Ohsweken alone, I'd have to spend weeks if not months compiling the list.

You're really drifting into the "calling someone a racist or bigot" zone. So every time someone has an issue with how Six Nations functions, it constitutes "racism" and hence they must be sympathetic to the white supremacist movement? Isn't that convenient.

That was not said. You ASSUMED it.

"Put it this way, if people want to be respected and treated as equals in my society",

Who's society!!!! Such an audacity. Only an ignoranant redneck could say that. Canada does not belong to either Jesus and his bunch of cronies or yourself but to the corporations

"then they are open to criticism for what I perceive to be their failings, just like anyone else".

Again the arrogance as if YOUR OPINION counts. What you percieve is irrelevent. We are speaking statistics. Not only that we need to ask IF they are correct. Statistics are more often than not manipulated by the POLITICS of the RESEARCHER

That is common knowledge.

"If some group in my society"

Your Society. People who live here should be equally part of society. It is NOT just YOURS. Your attitude is one of ownership and superiority, as seen from the very words you use.

"want to undermine Canada and just in general cause problems, then I'm going to say something about it regardless of their race or religion."

Firstly, people do not WANT to commit a crime. Crime is committed because government fails to meet out is social contract. And you 'saying so' without consideration of race, religion is the same as the 'christian supremicist' complex concerning there percieved notions of superiority.

"It's you who always views things through the perspective of race, and twists everything that has to do with Six Nations as a racial issue. Frankly, I think it's getting a little tiring, and I'm wondering if maybe this sort of conduct on your part is the reason you were absent for the last little while..."

Who cares?

As if you matter! You and your 'sort of conduct', not everybody desires to kiss the backside of a christian preacher. They are idiots. They present manners/conduct as 'the way to 'salvation' , white supremicist notions of salvation anyway,while committing atrocities all over the world.

You know, you're not the first one to display galloping ignorance and the usual attack of verbal trots, but you do it so loudly and proudly, as if to holler "look at me make an ass of myself!"

[Oleg Bach]

You know, you're not the first one to display galloping ignorance and the usual attack of verbal trots, but you do it so loudly and proudly, as if to holler "look at me make an ass of myself!"

The core of Christian doctrine minus the Paulism is a very good and powerful state of mind - problem is just about 99% of so-called Christians can not and will not grasp the core of the old movement ...Truth! The adherance to reality. It is possibly the basis of original socialist democracy...with a huge difference...way back then - you gave to charity volunteeringly...now you are forced to give via a corrupt taxing system..where money is used to support every evil that damages society and brings about distress and stress.

As far as those who set themselves up as high priests under the name of Christ - I would like them to show me where it is written that "I have come to create a religion and a bureacracy that will last a thousand years" - Uncle Aldof Hitler may have said something similar - but I really don't recall Jesus saying such - Christianity was meant to bring about freedom and equality where we are all equal and all dirt under God...soon as someone attempts to use it for the purpose of generating oppressive authoritarianism...then they are in error..and are of Rome the state and not of the freedom and equality movement.

[ScottSA]

The core of Christian doctrine minus the Paulism is a very good and powerful state of mind - problem is just about 99% of so-called Christians can not and will not grasp the core of the old movement ...Truth! The adherance to reality. It is possibly the basis of original socialist democracy...with a huge difference...way back then - you gave to charity volunteeringly...now you are forced to give via a corrupt taxing system..where money is used to support every evil that damages society and brings about distress and stress.

As far as those who set themselves up as high priests under the name of Christ - I would like them to show me where it is written that "I have come to create a religion and a bureacracy that will last a thousand years" - Uncle Aldof Hitler may have said something similar - but I really don't recall Jesus saying such - Christianity was meant to bring about freedom and equality where we are all equal and all dirt under God...soon as someone attempts to use it for the purpose of generating oppressive authoritarianism...then they are in error..and are of Rome the state and not of the freedom and equality movement.

Who, except for you, is talking about Christianity?