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  1. 16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

    Canadian Army looks to spend more than $6 billion on new howitzers and rockets

    Hanwha, a South Korean firm, is chasing both contracts.
     

     

    The Indirect Fires Modernization program, expected to cost more than $5 billion, will see the acquisition of self-propelled 155-mm artillery, ammunition as well as new mortar systems, according to a Canadian Army briefing for industry presented April 8 in Ottawa.

    In addition, Polish soldiers are currently undergoing training on the Chunmoo high mobility rocket systems which were purchased to counter Russian aggression.

    The focus for Hanwha is not only on partnering with Canadian firms but delivering high technology quickly, Michael Coulter, CEO of Hanwha Global Defence, said in an interview Tuesday. Technology transfer allows Canada to make sure it has sovereign control over its military equipment, a particular area of concern for a number of nations considering some of the issues that have emerged with U.S. equipment.

    “We can deliver very quickly on time to make a difference for the military and the politicians for sovereign capabilities,” Coulter said.

    The K9 self-propelled howitzers and the accompanying K10 ammunition resupply vehicles can be delivered in 12 months once a contract is signed. Chunmoo systems would arrive within 24 months. In addition, the systems are interoperable with U.S. equipment. Coulter noted the U.S. military has expressed an interest in seeing the K9 tested for its forces.

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    Coulter said Hanwha already has 10 agreements in place to work with Canadian companies and more such arrangements are expected to be announced at the CANSEC military trade showwhich takes place in Ottawa on May 28 and 29.

    The Liberal government has also stated it will purchase up to 12 new submarines for the Royal Canadian Navy. Hanwha is offering its KSS-III submarine for that program. If the contract was signed in 2026 the first submarine could be delivered by 2032, according to company officials.

    The South Korean submarines, three of which are already built, can operate underwater for more than three weeks, without having to surface. In addition, the boats have a range of more than 7,000 nautical miles. Both capabilities would make them valuable for Arctic operations, company officials say.

    Maintenance facilities would be established in Canada, and unlike with U.S. weapon systems, the South Koreans would provide Canada with total access to the onboard technology. South Korea developed its own robust defence industry after being hit by rising prices and unreasonable demands linked to U.S.-produced equipment.
     

    https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/defence-watch/canadian-army-new-howitzers-rockets

    Not sure why they are looking at south korea for Army equipment, when the government wants to join the Arm Europe, PZH-2000 built by germany is a much better vehicle, and germany is also now making their own version of the Himars which can fire all NATO rockets...don't get me wrong, it is fantastic news that they are finally looking at these capabilities.... I just hope they fully outfit the forces with the whole gambit of Arty systems, like a wheel version such as Sweden's truck based veh, a vehicle mounted mortar, plus a new lightweight ground mount version... new counter mortar/ arty fire systems, new FCS system, and maybe spark up a massive buy of arty shells, even a new massive ammo plant. 

  2. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

    Carney's first spending numbers are out, and as bad Trudeau’s: Ivison | National Post

    The Main Estimates suggest that message of restraint fell on deaf ears in Ottawa: total budgeted spending is scheduled to rise 7.75 per cent to $486.9 billion this fiscal year across 130 federal organizations (compared to last year’s Main Estimates). The government will ask Parliament to vote on $222.9 billion of spending measures, a 14 per cent increase on last year’s estimates.
     
    The most egregious spending appears to be on consultants. The estimates reveal that budgetary expenditure by “standard object”  — in this case, “professional and special services” — are set to hit $26 billion this year, if departments are granted the approvals they are seeking (the estimates are an “up to” amount; departments could spend less).
     
    Consultants are how they reward their friends by the way.  When carney steps away from politics he will be asked to sit on the boards of these companies he's hiring as consultants now and they will pay him back for giving them free money contracts while he was prime minister.
     
    He is absolutely no different than Justin Trudeau. He is an identical carbon copy. Canada will continue to sink because liberals are too stupid to learn from their mistakes

    Buuut, he is a banker, economist from harvard, he walks on water and "shoots lighting from his arse" and can shut down a journalist with a stare and curt comment....He is going to fix Canada....Trump places new tariff on our lumber and Carneys reply was we will put tariffs where they benefit canada and hurt the US the most.....we are still waiting....

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  3. 18 hours ago, blackbird said:

    When the Devil was tempting Jesus, this is what was said:

    "3  And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. "  Matthew 4:3, 4 KJV

    Jesus is saying here that the Bible is the Christians food for following him and growing spiritually.  The King James Bible, in English, are the very words that "proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

    There are many reasons why it is so important.  Here are a few.

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    The Bible is important for several reasons:

    1.  It serves as a foundation of faith, providing timeless lessons, wisdom, and hope that guide moral choices and spiritual strength. 

    2.  The Bible tells the story of God's nature and humanity, revealing themes of creation, judgment, and deliverance, which help us understand our place in the world. 

    3.   It connects believers with their spiritual heritage, offering insights into the life and teachings of Jesus, which are central to Christian faith. 

    4.  The Bible provides guidance and direction for living a meaningful life, helping individuals navigate moral dilemmas and personal challenges. 

    5.  It is a source of comfort and inspiration, offering hope and encouragement through its teachings.

    6.  Overall, the Bible's significance extends beyond religious contexts, influencing culture, ethics, and personal development.

    https://dailybiblemiracles.com/why-the-bible-is-important/

    Once again i don't need to study the bible,or go to church to be a believer in god, there is no where were it states that if you don't god will not receive you...Todays religions have twisted gods teaching into their own magnet to make money....take a look a the catholic church one of the riches organizations on the planet , rich enough to end most hunger across the planet...and yet the sit on their riches and bath in it...I don't need to be preached to or taught the error of my ways....god will judge me on my day, that is between me and him....

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  4. 7 hours ago, Barquentine said:

    He just pointed out the truth that the income gap is growing.

    My life has mirrored yours almost exactly, but I believe 2 things can be true at the same time. Everyone should do all they can to support and advance themselves AND our society is rich enough to give help to those that need it.

    I'm not debating that we should eliminate all welfare programs, what i'm suggesting is placing a time limit you can be on these programs, provide resources like they do now like schooling, etc....to lift this group into the middle class...my beef is with those that have been on these programs for decades, in parts of NB it is generational, they don't want to work , when the government pays the bills...there is no incentive to work hard , get a better education, move to where the work is....the government pays for most of that....so what excuses is left , being to lazy....

    those that fell on hard times , by all means put them in one of these programs, everyone needs a helping hand at some point in their lives...but there are thousands upon thousands that take advantage of that... 

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  5. 46 minutes ago, cougar said:

    So we will have a society with a few masterminds who design the AI, the machines will do everything for them and the rest of us, all billions of people will perish?

    Did the horse perish once cars were invented ? people adapt and overcome, AI will still need people in the loop, some where....It is people who will control what AI does or does not do....even in the terminator, and skynet war humans still where in the story some place...

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  6. On 5/27/2025 at 5:52 PM, blackbird said:

    You're lying and making false accusations against me and all Canadians.  You don't act like a Bible believer.  How much time do you spend actually studying the Bible?  Ian Paisley and I would be in complete agreement.   You don't know a thing about him or me.

    You are the kook.

    Just for clarification, studying the bible is not a prerequisite for gods approval...all he asks is for you to believe in him and worship no one other than him...you can do that without going to church, or studying the bible....lets not confuse church  and all of it's human interactions as gods words or direction he wants us to follows....sorry our church has done many things i'm sure god does not approve of...

  7. 2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

    That's wrong. I'm taking about when millions of labourers have been laid off by AI and automation in the near future, near enough we should be planning for it now.

    And all conservatives want to talk about is their past grievances with the left while insisting AI and automation is no excuse for welfare.

    Oh well, I guess there'll be lots of opportunities related to protecting the owners of AI and shaking down unemployed people.

     

    Thats the thing about working or providing a service you get paid for it, and if millions get laid off then they will have to find something else to do, adapt or perish. People can't expect to sit at home and do nothing then get paid for it.... 

  8. 19 minutes ago, herbie said:

    Yet you just admitted that's the only thing you can't see.

    In a similar comparison would you acknowledge that the German's switching to the Blitaz and bombing London civilians instead of military objectives like RAF airfields was a mistake? The Brits have said so. That only hardened British resolve and led them to feel bombing civilians in return was fully justified.
    Blowing the shit out of Korea and Vietnam didn't work either. Nor has it worked on the Ukraine. It turns the people against you, not their own leaders.

    Obviously I don't condone Oct 7. But I'm a little sick of reading about 50 people in a school or hospital wach day and ONE terrorist leader wiped out every month year after year. And now they admit the overall plan, which they could've accomplished in a week with boots on the ground and tens of thousands fewer civilian deaths.

    Surely you, claiming military skill with your very username can see that is neither supporting Hamas nor antiSemitic in any way. Loathing the leaders and the Generals of any country is not anti citizen.

    I do believe it was a mistake one that historians have argued for decades...Many brits would tell you different story's about the effectiness of the bombings, had the nazi's had the same capacity of bombers the allied had i think the brits would be telling a much different story....ask the Germans / Japanese what they thought of allied bombing. 

    Ukraine is a mere shell of what it once was , it will take decades to rebuild everything back to what it once was... 

    Your forgetting fighting in europe was total warfare, killing incent civilians was done on purpose to get them to pressure their government into a surrender. In Israel conflict that is not an option....the country is following the Geneva convention and is being monitored on the ground every day by dozens or organizations...Hamas knows the Geneva convention as well and uses it to their full advantage, inflating numbers is what they do...The convention also spells out very clearly that hospitals are forbidden targets..."Unless" the enemy is using them to their own tactical advantage, then the revert back to military targets and can be bombed...most people in the world don't know about the conventions so they gasp every time a school or hospital is bombed....

    Boots on the ground is very very expensive in manpower...and death tolls would be ten times higher if That's all they relied on....Israelis are using every precaution in the book plus many more to ensure the death tolls are as low as they are...you don't drop a 2000lb bomb and not kill everything in a two to 3 block radius....unless you told people to get out...

    No i don't blame it on being anti Semitic, but i do blame most people not very educated on the subject, if they had read up on what is going on , with both sides not many would be supporting Hamas in any way...Israel is going to destroy these terrorist one way or another , and if that takes push all palestinians into the sea that is what is going to happen, Israel has been pushed to far...I spent 6 months in Israel/ Sinai peninsula/ Gaza, and trust me Palestinians are not the angles people think of...   

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  9. 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

    I believe welfare is a provincial jurisdiction.

    So, getting free money from a government is welfare if you don't agree and a program if you do agree?

    No, I certainly do not think we are dong the indigenous any good yet, here are are, all governments, liberal, conservatives, NDP etc all give everything to keep 5% of the population from whining about their self inflicted state.

    Yes, they are capable but, they do not seem to be willing...just like your welfare folks in NB. 

    As for the "the feds could not organize a gang bang in a whore house. "  all parties in the government are to blame, even when they are in opposition. You will never hear any MP or politician say what they really think of our "welfare" to the indigenous.

    It is , But there are plenty of federal programs that come under welfare category..

    https://maytree.com/changing-systems/data-measuring/welfare-in-canada/all-canada/

    https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/june-2024/welfare-state-provinces/

    Thats not what i implied, there are many welfare programs that are needed,but like a good portion of our indigenous or other Canadians population have become dependent on some form of welfare for decades... and these type of programs need to be changed or stopped...

    They would be willing if we limited their choices...

    I did not point the fingers at one party or another, all government are responsible for the current state of our nation...more importantly Canadians are responsible for not standing up...

  10. 10 minutes ago, herbie said:

    Tell the truth here.

    The Orange Oaf says they should and expects them to jump and obey.
    The entire rest of NATO knows they're going to have to raise spending now that Mango Mussolini had made it clear the USA is no longer a reliable partner in defence.

    The miserable bean counter thinks the financial cost of a military is the only true measure of it's strength and contribution and has certainly duped you and many others to believe that is true.
    Buy the RCAF a new plane to fly politicians around with gold plated toilet seats and a crew of 100 servants, some of those $1000 hammers and $1M gaskets the US has. OR maybe some more decrepit old British subs because spending counts, not efficiency.

    Well since we are being honest, The US has a massive military spread around the world to be the world's policemen, and because of that the nations involved in these US efforts have slacken off to almost the point their military is almost non existent, most of them have cashed in on peace bonds big time reducing militaries upto 80 % strength since the cold war ended...

    And while doing so the US has maintain it's forces to pick up some of the slack....at the US taxpayers expense...Since Russia has grown a pair they are taking advantage of these circumstances....as has china, even telling the US when they will take back taiwan....So are the American pissed off , ya, are they telling the world buck the f*ck up and start paying some of the bills ,hell ya....and your upset why ? because it is trump, or that we are one of those countries that now have a huge decision to make, leave NATO, because it is to expensive, and do it on our own....

    If you want a seat at the table it does take military might to backup your foreign policies...Even the Swiss take their military seriously.

    Canadians have this historical thing they do, disregard their military, run it down to being irrelevant, then when conflicts starts up, they send their citizens out to fight with sub par equipment and training.... because it is much cheaper overall to bury our citizens than equip them with equipment that could save lives...now thats a canadian value you can be proud of.

    and if your good with that sending your sons , daughters, grand sons and grand daughters into battle with sub par or the cheapest bidder, or something some politician picked out becasue it looked cool...then thats the last thought you should have when they lower your loved ones into the dirt....me on the other hand have a son and a daughter serving, and would love to see them come back to me.  

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  11. 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

    Oh, you are talking about our entire indigenous population???  :)

    No i was talking about those on federal welfare for years at a time....

    Our indigenous population are not on welfare, but rather on other federal programs....but while we are here, do you think we are doing our indigenous population any good by paying them to stay home and do nothing...we have created a system where they are totally dependent on the feds for their very existence...Money, shelter, water, sewage, and in most cases we can't even do that...I'm sure the indigenous people are more than capable of doing all of that on their own,if not way better, considering the feds could not organize a gang bang in a whore house. 

  12. 14 minutes ago, herbie said:

    Well that certainly explains your attitude, They're Palestinians therefore they're all terrorists.
    Doesn't matter if the mighty IDF can't subdue a country the size of a f*cking parking lot in twice the time the Nazis took to take almost all Europe. They're still doing the right way, eh?

    Nice comparison....the NAZI's also killed everyone that they did not like or spoke up, funny i don't see any concentration camps pop up, or random mass shootings of civilians....

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  13. On 5/26/2025 at 5:10 PM, herbie said:

    Oh so nice to be mansplained the facts by someone who thinks being antiwar is the same thing as supporting terrorists.
    YOU made the headline after all.

    And your oft proclaimed support of Israel certainly is 100% opposed with every other bloody thing you post about. Your credibility is equal to Blackbird's is on Christianity. He who yells the loudest means the least and all that.

    Man has worked through it's issues with other countries by waging war...We as a race have not figured out any other way to solve problems....so we kill each other until one side gives up....in this case Hamas a known terrorist group does not care about anything other than it's cause which is to destroy Israel and all jews wherever they reside in the world....

    With out this war people " Us people "are saying Palestinians have the right to invade and kill Israelis on their whim...Israelis are saying FU palestinians we have a bigger stick we will kill you....and the world does not like this....and yet has not come up with a viable solution for both sides to agree to..

    The winner will be declared when enough palestinians die they will demand peace and kick out their terrorist oppressor's Hamas....

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  14. 17 hours ago, eyeball said:

    Sure but now try to imagine this ethos in a world where most human labour just isn't required - where we'd just be in the way of the robots.

    You better hope AI is left wing is all I can say.

    And while we are pretending things that have not happened yet, we could be invaded by aliens and forced into slave labor...where conservative values are forced onto you lefties, in huge re education camps....

    Sorry , what were you saying again...

     

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  15. 19 hours ago, Barquentine said:

    In theory, yes... I agree with most of your post, but I also agree with Eyeball about the 'Haves and Have-nots'.

    Correct me if i'm wrong but eyeball is suggesting taking from the haves, or those that have worked hard to get where they are now, and give that to the have not's which have made a choice not to work hard or not at all..

    I come from a family that was in that "have not" category, a huge combined family of 10 kids....each one of those kids worked hard and brought themselves out of the "have not" category....it takes sacrifice and like i said hard work....today we live a comfortable life, as do my kids, we are not rich by any means but we are not living in a trailer court, and eating kraft dinner, and peanut butter sandwiches everyday either... Here in NB i see families that have been on welfare for generations....due only to the fact they don't want to get that education or job to bring them up to the next level....I know there are plenty of people that say being on welfare is no joking matter, but these people are getting along just fine, gaming the system, and doing other things to make do.

    Sorry but i don't support sharing, i will show you how to get to a better place, even give you short term material support, but i do not have any patience for lazy people.  

  16. I wonder how this is going taken by Trump, as this is one of his sticky points, by 2030 we should hit 2 % of GDP....I find the whole thing laughable, that was Justins plan and the US did not like it at all....and now the new liberals are going to keep the old plan , while talking out of the side of their faces about taking things more seriously....Even in the throne speech military spending is mentioned...

    Defence minister tells arms makers to prepare for accelerated federal spending

    NATO is expected to raise the new spending limited to 5%, that translates into 3.5 % spent on equipment, and 1.5 % spent on infrastructure and logistics....this is expected to pass this june...And i'm sure there is going to be a deadline...to put this into some perspective, it is going to take us spending an additional 15 bil a year to reach 2 %, and maybe another 30 to 40 bil to reach 3.5 % and then infrastructure and logistics another 1.5 %... My question is where are we getting all this funding , or better yet what programs are going to have to be shut down....And is this still going to be popular with Canadians 

    NATO’s Rutte embraces 5 percent defense spending goal – POLITICO

  17. 15 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

    Now back to your lack of understanding of economics. Canada's fiscal year is from April 1st to March 31st, much like many businesses. I could explain the reasons for this but I'm sure it would fall on most likely deaf ears and most definitely ignorant ones

    So either you want him to table a budget for fiscal year that was over half way through the first quarter when a new government took over. OR you were expecting him to release a budget as an unelected party leader weeks before a close election? Or did you have another idea , untethered from the realities associated with finance at that scale, or in your case any scale 

    And, as you often do, you've argued against your own point. We'll to be fair this specific point. Your overall pointis just Libs bad, because you're a partisan hack.

    You said Harper elected in JANUARY (hint January is before April) months before the fiscal year started, (Again Months Before) and still tabled a budget. Your right and many economists didn't think he could and were impressed when he did. I too thought this was quite an accomplishment, because I'm not a partisan hack 

    But Please continue to show you're nothing but a crotchety old man that has nothing in his life other than spouting  the ignorant talking points of the grifters that confirm your pre-existing bias , behind your keyboard (probably still running windows 98. You're the internet equivalent of the old man yelling at kids to get off his yard, both sad and amusing at the same time. At least very entertaining when I come on the rare times I'm not living in the real world. You should try it.

     

    100 % right the federal fiscal budget is from Apr 1st to march 31 st, and i might be wrong here but the budget we all were expecting was more of the liberals game plan such as what was announced in the throne speech, the budget which will be tabled later this year was how they were going to pay for all these campaign promises and their way forward....and where is all this new money coming from....

    So yes we want him to table a new budget, to tell us how is going to pay for all his new promises or policies, as i'm sure Justins budget did not take in any of the new liberal direction...that make sense... 

    What your suggesting is , is there is no way to find out who or what is going to be spent until a new fiscal year....which is not very transparent is it ? As we have a new government with a brand new direction, that no funding has been attached to....would it not be like a blank check let's spend what we want until we are forced to table a fiscal budget in Apr of next year...just 10 months from now...so a full year of no budget?

     

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  18. 1 hour ago, eyeball said:

    Especially when the right wing simply thinks it's wrong to even try.

    The world is over crowded and over exploited, the gap between haves and have nots is growing and automation and AI are poised to throw millions out of work. And now right wing society want to double down on the moral imperative that it's everyone for themselves and you produce or die.

    You people just don't get inevitability do you?

    Thats bull sh!t...In this country everyone has the same rights same opportunities as the next guy, people willing to get a good education, work hard are rewarded in this country...not everyone is willing to do those things, take here in NB a large portion of the population is on welfare or Poggy, they either don't want to work, or find a job that works 4 seasons becasue of personal preference...I call it it being to lazy to get a job, why work when they can sit at home do nothing and have the government pay their way....and it is generational, our government created that problem... ....

    there is going to be times where people are going to need a helping hand...but to take advantage of government assistance for decades is not right ....what needs to happen is cut them off, give them a year to sort out their problems then cut them off force them to school or work...

    Our entire democracy works that way, no where in the constitution does it say there is a free ride for those that don't want to put in the work....there are opportunities out there for anyone that is looking ..can't do that from the couch or waiting for your government check...

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  19. 21 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

    No, you are incorrect.

    I blame them because they have not done anything for Canada for 15 years.

    That is exactly what your doing, liberals did the bare minimum it could to stay in power, in fact the last 4 years NDP forced them to take action on a few files....

    Opposition party does not run the governing parties agenda,or set policies the job of the opposition party is to hold the  current government accountable for it's actions...and in the case of a majority just explain to us how or when the conservatives were needed to help....And i'm pretty sure during Covid all parties worked together to pass legislation needed.

    You blame them because you can't step back and blame those responsible becasue they are on your team... Justin does not get to get away with all the sh!t he pulled while on his watch, he owns every minute he was in power....  

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  20. 31 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

    Yup, I am.

    I blame them because as legislators, they should be trying and helping make Canada stronger and, as you say, since 2015,, the party, and particularly the party leader, has done nothing for Canada except whine.

    We have been stuck with a minority government and the NDP getting what it wants.]

    Imagine what we could have been with simple cooperation.

    This is typical liberal speak, shift the blame to the opposition party becasue it is convenient, lets not even talk about the liberals faults because there is to many, one would not know where to start, lets start with Justin was the worst PM in our history....start there....there are 3 parties on the left, and 2 on the right, both the left and right are "miles" apart on almost every issue, gun control, military, entire security apparatus, foreign assistance, the list goes on and on....where do you think they would find common ground...Blaming the conservatives for something the liberals did or wanted nothing to do with cooperation is talking out of your ass...

    NDP got what exactly in the 4 plus years they were joined with the liberals....and what they did mange is not even close to being fully implemented...is that the standard for getting what it wants, pretty low bar...

    Imagine if the liberals had common sense , and did things that benefited Canadians, you could take some time and mention what exactly did the liberals do in the last 9 plus years under justin...I'm pretty sure Carney has done more in his short time in office....you can't lay the success or failure of the liberal party on anyone except themselves...And while every Canadian has one vote to do with what they want, i'm not sure how you justify giving the liberals another term after what they have accomplished to date...and yet somehow a large chunk of canadians did....it had nothing to do with what was best for the country, or who had the best policies or platform, it was all about how they hated PP and how he looked...

     

  21. 3 hours ago, Boges said:

    In this time where the US is threatening Canadian identity, it's nice to be reminded that we are part of a very cool group of nations: The Commonwealth. 

    I'm sure many think we should just become a run-of-the-mill Republic, but being part of this club based on the British form of government is a desirable trait to the Canadian identity. 

    The last time the true head of state gave a throne speech in Canada was in 1977. I think the gesture of having him speak to usher in this new government is a powerful symbol of Canadians true identity. 

    How has trump threaten our identity ?...Liberals have been saying for years we really don't have a Canadian identity...Even Canadians struggle to identify our own identity....what makes Canada unique from others....lets not start with maple syrup

    Many Canadians have not thought twice about the royals, 

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     In 2023, Ipsos polling found 67 per cent of Canadians believed the King and the Royal Family should have no formal role in Canadian society, seeing them as “celebrities and nothing more.”

    https://globalnews.ca/news/11193948/royals-canada-monarchy-king-charles-revival/ 

    and today those numbers are much lower, for some reason....it is almost like Canadians can't make up their minds...until there is some advantage to be had....we are still part of the club, because the majority are to lazy to change it...who would we put on our money, most of the past Canadians have done something to insult someone....and we've already torn done most statues anyways...

    your last statement is telling since 1977, say alot about how much Canadians value our king and Queen...the last time someone from the royal family did visit we complained who was going to pay for all of it....that sends an inviting message does it not...Again what is our true identity ? 

  22. 2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

    Because you say so?  😆

    When you gauge the "value" of what people are saying based on how much it agrees with what you've chosen to believe, your opinion on this is worth less than nothing. 

    Somehow it's lost on you how ridiculous you make yourself look whining about insults while happily throwing around your own, and upvoting the endless stream of insults from our forum's biggest troll.  

    Have you ever heard of....double-standards? 

    ...and miss out on your deeply informed gems of wisdom?  No thank you sir!  

    And here we are again, if you need a hug just say so, there free....

    Everything you have said in the last 10 posts have been lost on me, what is it they say, in one ear out the other....becasue there is no value in any of it...I've up voted stuff you have said mind you not often, but i do up vote on comments that i agree with...Sorry muffin man, want more up votes your going to have to step up....or maybe it is not a him problem but a you problem...anyways maybe step back and reflect on you...instead of others....i guess that's what happens when you vote liberal, you lose your objectivity....

    Maybe you should be looking at writing a book, now that you've gleaned all this wisdom from the forum...

     

     

     

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