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Black dog: And yet we have made opinions with out all the facts...every american soldier over in Iraq is guilty of a war crime or is trigger happy because you have a litany of US mistakes....how many US soldiers in Iraq today...You have been busting my balls about my remarks about Muslims and yet most not all are doing the same about americans....I've been on alot of combine or multi national operations and the americans are not as bad as you and most on the board paint them to be... you tell me if it is a way of life for everyone in Iraq why ? Trust me if it is you on those check pionts and your life is on the line every second you get good a reading people and their reactions ...most bombers do rush the check pionts so they can use the vehs momnetum to push into or beyond the check piont to kill maxuim numbers... like i said you break the rules you pay with your life...

Black dog: Because it was and still is the only organization that was to ensure that this genicide does not happen. To enforce inter-national law......they knew of it, watch it happening like we all did...they went to work each day and debated it...when the people under them like Gen Dalaire begged ,demanded ,they act.... they sat in thier smug chairs and did nothing but debate....for more than 100 days.....No the UN is full of fat politions from across the globe with no where else to go or do but bumble with world crisises.... If it can't act then it need sto be abolished in regards to military or humanitary events. It can't act to save a nation but would be the first to speak-up on why a nation did not get it's blessing first, before taking military action on another nation. Because we are not going to get every nation in the world to agree on any matter regardless of what it is... perhaps Nato could take the lead form a Multi national military group to act on behalf of another nations people Like solmolia , use military force to feed the masses....Bosina to stop ethinic cleansing...Rwanda to stop the killing....

Black dog: In Afganistan all the afgans i talked to were happy we were there and that they were tired of war,....and they were glad that the taliban were gone.... I bet if you were to ask any of those insurgents why they were fighting it would be just because the US is in Iraq ... other than that they could not tell you why...

Black dog: We don' know anything for sure as none of us were there. nor are any of us privy to any of the evidence , but that does not stop any of us from forming opinoins....alot of opinions here on this board are very bias towards anything american...and assume that any US servicemen involved in any action is guilty as charged .... Mistakes and accidents in a war zone happen every day. they are regrettable most are due to stupid reasons , "they failed to slow down"," the driver did not see the road block"....i ensure you that these road blocks are clearly marked.....everyone in Iraq knows by now what to do when encountering a road block...the Iraqis know US ROE just as well as the US service persons do.... In war you break the rules you pay with your life...it is that simple ....and it all happens in split seconds...

Black dog: the debate on what to do lasted more than 100 days... You enter a hospital, the 2 doctors that are suppose to treat you have decided that they are going to debate your treatment....while waiting for treatment you die...who is at fault....even Canada could have sent enough troops to make a major difference in the Rwanda crisis...by acting first...debating later....this is 800,000 lives we are talking about.... Rwanda was not the only UN failure in this arena of peacekeeping...the list is large.... But your right if even "one"nation such as Canada had come to the aid of Rwanda then many more would have followed....the UN as an an organization will never be able to react fast enough to look after peacekeeping or humanitarian missions period.

Black dog: The people of Afgan seen the soviet invasion as a holy war....the people were stocked...which turned to hatred as the war progressed. Those vicious warlords were fighting each other up until the invasion even then it was an unstable relationship at best...even today... Yes, from a islam propective they may both look the same...but the war on terror is agains'nt OBL and his merry crew not the people of Afgan....OBL is running for his life and will continue to do so until he is brought down by western forces....the west was quite happy with letting him kill the people of afgan....until they attacked the US... What western encroachment ?

Ceasar: I was being sarcastic....in regards to another post made earilar in Ref to Al Quaida. You are refering to the Invasion of Iraq....Because the Arabs in the middle east have been pissed off at the states for decades now.... What agenda is it that they are so afraid of that they would gladly give thier lives up... It's based on thier education at home,in schools, and at place of worship....and from thier peers....that westerns "ALL" westerns from europe or N.A are to be hated...

My Webpage The Car was speeding, as is every veh over there makes it harder to get shot at....they failed to slow down and stop at the check piont and they paid the price ....Most of you are forgetting this is a war zone not down town toronto at some drunk driving check piont......there are Insurgents that will gladly give up thier lives to kill any coalition soldiers....there are strict ROE (rules of engagement) they were followed as best they could ....

Black dog: Yes they did provide some intell and wpns to the Afgan freedom fighters...as this was during the Cold war...and Russia was the enemy..... Perhaps, with one big diffence the regular people of Afgan just want the war to stop and for most part support the US efforts.... I agree that the War in Iraq( operation Iraqi freedom) has done more for Bin Ladins cause, the (War on terror)in Afgan is fairly well supported by the world...

Black dog: This is part of my point that small leaps of faith need to be taken when reading all the evidance, easy to do but does not prove "with out a shadow of a dought" And the best we can do is formulate an assessment that "To the best of the US wpns inspecs knowledge that they can find no evidence of WMD proir to the US invasion".... That statement does not say thier was or was not any WMD in Iraq just they could not find any evidence to prove it. Your right ,i have said it all along that i could not prove it... I know to all of you i'm just being thick headed but i do not believe in grey areas.. ...but we all know that all the facts are not or will not be presented on this matter....be it they are classified, or perhaps harmful in other ways to the US gov't and will not be released...and at this time there are defintly more evidence for Iraq not having WMD...

Flea Bag: We sent troops after the carnage was completed a field hospital, and HQ organization barely 300 troops ..Gen Delaire pleaded with the world to act...they did not...he also pleaded to Canada his own country...they did not act...so we are hardly the postition to throw stones... The UN does have it's place, but not in keeping the worlds peace or even handing out world aid....my comment was it was run by third world wanna bes with there own agenda..... Inter-national Law is set in my opinion to the average western standards of Moral conduct and values...But having said laws are useless if they are to be debated in the UN assembly for more than 100 days while over 800,000 are being killed by dull machettes.... We can continue this on another thread if you wish....

eureka:

Black dog: And in a court of law where would that get you....the evidence has failed to prove "without a shadow of a dought" that NO WMD where in IRAQ prior to invasion... There are areas in your evidance where you must take a leap of faith...and yes it makes sense to do so by many individuals, this is not a case of "was Bush right" it's a case that of what happened to these wpns...and if they are not destroyed who has them right now.... thats what scares me.... I really hope your right...i don't think my thinking is that tainted...with x 6 tours into places like Rwanda, Bosina, Afgan, 1 st Gulf war. i think i may have a basic idea on how these guys think....don't get me wrong i'm no expert...but it has givening me the basics...

Flea bag: The UN is a toothless beast run by third world wanna bes, while they sit and debate in there air conditioned forums....transgressions as you call them such as Rwanda, somolia, Bosina, and many many more went on killing thousands ...there are sometimes when a Nation must standup save the lives regardless of international laws...when it's done the UN can debate whether it was wrong or not.... But at least that nation can say it did the right thing.... Lets throw this into your senario, while you have been debating whether or not to put this fence because it's free, and your moral valves don't or won't allow you to have anything to do with the bikers....and your to cheap to put up your own fence up..... your 3 year old son is shot dead in your front yard....is your moral valuves worth all that... How could you not possiable want it....since our majic wand is in the shop we can not change who are niebours are,or what they do....but we can take some steps to prepare ourselfs for what may happen...

Black dog: We did alot of this type of thing with conventional wpns in Bosina, with many of the different factions, muslims, croat's, serbs, they would all claim they had destroyed wpns and munitions and we'd find them a week later stashed away in some warehouse...... what makes Sadam any different ....all the evidance reveals that he compliled 110 % with the coalition. he destroyed everything he had...to comply and to have sanctions lifted....that done all he has to do is what ... Wait for the inspectors to come give him a clean bill and poof his country and lives are back to normal.... As per the coalitions demands...so why does he make it so hard on the inspectors...why does he try and block the only thing standing between military action or normalcy for his country. Are these actions of a man trying to comply with demands or are these actions of a man who is trying to hide something.... eureka: If i have offended anyone with my remarks to Ceasar then i appolgise. they were childish as was his remarks to me in on a different post. It is not my intentions to rehash the entire event , but to state that the evidance is not black and white... There are no clear and absolute proof that x number of munitions were produced by Iraq and x amount were destroyed by Iraq and x amount were verified to have been destroyed by the ISG. With that said are we to trust the Iraqis when they say they destroyed it all or the ISG when they say we can't find any ....like playing hide and seek and when you can't find a kid...he did'nt exist because we can't find him..... As for the links to terror, your telling me that there is no AL Quiada in Iraq today....

Black dog: Like i said i can not prove it...but the ISG were not there to witness each and every bomb or shell destroyed ....alot of this destruction was done by Iraq it self...and then verified by ISG at a later date...don't let the kids watch the candy store.

Black dog: Not if the balance of power shifted and those now in power told the US to Back down.... Lets say the US does mange to find the sub, or land station that fired the one or few missles....after detonation....that those countries surrounding the N Korea would not be on the phone telling the president that we can not allow you to strike back with nuk wpns due to fact we can not sustain the damage on our side of the border...and a launch would be consider an act of war... Im "hoping" that the US would agree an inform them that the US would use conventional means to punish who ever.... Not if other nations are going to suffer as well....you don't think a huge radiation cloud would ....one that could kill thousands of your own countrymen would be worth a response of some sort...other than hey nice shot Why any of these states would ally themselves (posthumously) with a rouge regime is also a mystery to me. you mean China and N.korea... He has already threaten war with the US ...the N korean border is at the highest state of alert in the world...is that a sign of a stable man..if the US was to show any of those countries a sign of weakness they would take advantage of it....and it does not have to be N korea....

Black dog: It's a good read, but i come away with a different opinion Sadam knows that Chemical wpns is a major deterence a major trump card...one that i think he would have held close to him...but like i said i can not prove it...it is my opinion that Sadam or his sons..knows of the existance of Iraq's chemical wpns...and they are not saying much well he is not saying much.....i also believe that Sadam thinks he can attain power again ....and in the current conditions that might be possiable if the americans were to pull out...

Caesar: You cease to amass me, getting-up from your lazy boy chair to slam me must be one of todays highlights. you seem to be pretty good at making false statements, but fail to respond when your asked to produce the truth.I'm refering to our last post. It's funny because everything i've read said that there was none found period...not that there were none in Iraq or none existed .. Yes, on again off again, only certain sites ...after threats of military action... How so by expelling some of them ...or was it when they lives were threatened....or when then said you can search this site but not this one.... Give me a break, today there is plenty of AL Qaida in Iraq....that new Shak that is leading the unrest south of Bagdad is reported to have connections with Al Qaida... Pakistan is allied to the US only because of what the US pays it....that is not an allied its a resource... Again thanks for keeping -up with current events ...the Afgan goverment just took over power of it's countrymen...and the country is still full of terrorists ones that are very good at hiding....of course 25 years of combat will do that....

Black dog: So why did he risk going to war over not allowing inspectors into all areas of Iraq....if he had nothing to hide, was it Pride or stupidity,...Why starve his people if he knew he had nothing to hide....why not allow them access to everything then be done with it after they left begin all over again....be allow to sell your oil and reak the profits...with the US troops gone home ....

Black dog: The detonation of just one large nuclear warhead on any large US city would be a serious blow to the US....it would take most if not all thier resources to look after the aftermath of such an attack.... maybe to the piont it would alter the balance of power..for example if the US had to pull in alot of it's troops in foreign nations to deal with the after math it would alter the balance of power in those specific areas...If there was enough of these areas were effected it would level the playing field...IE US would not be the big kid on the block any longer....and hostile nations may take advantage of that....I'm not saying that N Korea would not get what is due her...I'm saying that the balance of the world would have changed and it leaves alot of what if's.....So whats in it for them "everything".... I think you answer your own question here Why the US would not attack N.Korea with a Nuk strike....MAD Sadam is not the only Dictator capable of miscalculating, And YES i agree with you it would be hard to calculate what the US would do if attacked by a single or few nuk wpns....but by having the BMD there protecting them they would not have to worry about a nuk detonation on US soil...and could begin arrangements for conventional warfare ASAP to punish those responsable.

Black dog: And because the Iraqi people are not smart enough we should take the word of the above agencies that there was none....Look i believe that Sadam does have some WMD tuck away is some corner..can i prove it no ...can you prove me wrong no...we both have read the evidence (thank you for the sites by the way) ....and i'm still not convinced that a Man like Sadam would give away a powerful trump card like WMD...

Black dog: Thats not what i said ....I said the US could not just attack Korea with a nuclear strike without severly effecting the surounding nations... Do you really think that China or russia would stand by when millions of acres of land become unusable, that water supplies became unuseable,that millions would be poisoned with radition, those what did not die would be effected for generations to come... what response do they have.... thank you may i have another.... I think we are all underestamating what a standard 100 mega ton warhead can do....it's devastion is truely unthinkable....you don't need thousands to eliment the US as Russia has ...you don't need hundreds ....maybe 20 or 30 would put the US back into the stone ages along with the rest of us.... So why did Sadam cross the line so many times.... Flea bag: ICBM's are not limited to land based launch systems ...as you pionted out in your article they have subs that are capable of closing in to within the the 2500 km raduis. i also might add that so does India and Pakastan have sub cabability......for the right price anyone can buy an EX Russian sub,plane,tank,munitions..

Black dog: Could it have been possiable for Sadam and his merry crew to bury thier wpns? And could it have been possiable to move them into another country ? If the answer is yes, then there is a possiability that Sadam did gave WMD...Until the Iraq is dug up or new tech presents it self that would enable the US to find these WMD then there is always going to be that question of uncertainity.... By giving-up throwing up our hands and saying we did'nt find any WMD that the US lied to us about everything...We should return Sadam to power appoligize to the Iraqi people...

Black dog: No, it was in answer to Flea bags remarks that if North Korea was to launch against the US... There is a big difference, an exchange between the Soviets would be on mass....no winners or lossers for that matter, it would kill the world as we know it.... N.Korea knows that, it's borders are to close to any of the nations i mentioned and radiation cannot be contained and would require some sort of response from the effected nations....knowing that korea would have its revenge from the grave....that would leave the US military only one logical solution to rely on conventional warfare to punish korea or any other nation that tried it....