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That was a few years back, but I have a vague recollection of a US state that decided to cut payments to women who had children while on welfare, then found out that they still kept having children anyway. Rules regarding welfare eligibility were tightened by the harris government at the same time as rhwy slashed the rates. I would suspect that was the main factor in the drop. Interestingly enough, while the government was publishing the numbers of people who went off welfare, they were never saying how much of them had gotten a job. Coud it be that the numbers would not have looked so rosy?

But I would think a friendly government would reveal information that would show we're better to put him in jail because he's such a danger. Besides, a minister of the canadian government saw the so-called evidence then declared in public there was nothing in there that would justify considering arar to be a terrorist. But the royal commission concluded, based on the FACTS submitted to it, there was no evidence that Maher Arar was a terrorist. In other word, there is no way that a trial conducted in court of law would have resulted in a guilty verdict.

Your delusions about equal rights have been debunked often enough and have nothing to do with maher Arar, so I'll spare you this time.

Omar Khadr is a scumbag... And I would like to see the text of the judgement of a legitimate court of law that declared him to be guilty of a crime. Until that happens, he has the same rights as other Canadian citizens, including the right to enter Canada, the right to be watched by the police, and the right to be put on trial if he had violate Canadian law. I believe that all of these three rights should be recognized, especially the third one.

Canada cannot force the U.S. to send him back if the U.S government does not want to. But pur government cannot refuse a Canadian citizen entry in the country unless he has been found guilty of a crime in a proper court of law. Thanks to the Bush Administration, that has not happened in the case of Omar Khadr. The government, and its policy, are not above the law.

Common sense, justice and the rule of law demands that accused people be deemed innocent until they are found guilty, and that they be tried in a timelyand fair fashion. Say what you want about that low-life Khadr, his treatment by his American captors is a complete violation of those principles. Similarly, the rule of law applies to our Government as well as each and everyone us. The Government cannot circumvent its constitutional obligations just because Khadr belongs in a jail for the rest of his life. The Bush administration srewed things up. Our government should do the right, that is bring it back and put him on trial... preferably not ignoring the rule of law in the process.

No, not particularly. It's just that the words are the best definition of what you write. Andhere we go... some races are more intelligent than other... Like we didn't all know all along that's where this was leading. A task force of the American Psychological Association concluded in 1885 that. while differences between test results of certain races was not linked to biases in test construction. However, and more importantly, the task force cconcluded that evidence fails to support a correlation between genetics and test results. It is interesting to note that, in the U.S., tests that used notions and concepts familiar both to Blacks and Whites tend to show virtually no overall difference between results, unlike tests where notions and concepts familiar only to Whites are useed. And that i.q. scores have raised during the 20th century in parralel with the wider availability of public education. And that the difference in test results between American Blacks and Whites has declined steadily since the mid-2oth century, which happens to be the time of school desegregation. It is also interesting to note that the influence of heredity on i.q. test results tend to be in reverse to social-economical status. Most importantly, the relationship between i.q. scores and actual intelligence is tenous at best. In other words, the notion that intelligence varies with race is bad science at best, as in hijacking test results to draw conclusions that have lttile basis in the data itself. But I'll grant you one thing - some people are less intelligent than others... you're a living proof of that.

You mean... more proof of your intellectual dishonesty.

Your usual dishonesty. I agree with the only factual aspect of your cr*p, so I agree with everything you say. Yeah right. Who said everybody is born with the same intelligence? Nobody. Who said genetic factors cannot explain some aspects of an individual's personnality? Nobody. But the notion that some races are as a whole more intelligent, more "advanced" or "better" than others because of their genes is not founded in fact, or in logic. Nor is the idea that people can see that's exactly where you are going.

Upset because I recognize you, I see. As for me being afraid of debating rationally... when you write something rational, then you'll be able to determine if that's the case or not. Race is essentially group physical and physiological features. There is no logic, and no foundation, to the bellief that those features have anything to do with a society's capacities in term of scientific, social or cultural development.

Interesting points. I think the word "luck" is a misnomer more than anything. I would say that where a culture is and what haqppens to it are what determines changes. To take your ecample, while where Great Britain is located may explains in part the type of free enterprise culture it developed, the Protestant Reformation, the scientific boom resulting from the Renaissance (itself a consequence of the capture of Constantinople), the decline of the Spansih power in the 17th century and other factors all contributed to pushing Albion ahead of the pack. It's not "luck", it's being at the right place at the right time with the right tools.

Recognition of aboriginal ownership of land was set as a principle (in North America at least) by the Royal Proclamation of 1763, a fact confirmed every time the U.S. Government or British Crown went into the motions of sitting down to sign treaty transferring land. Any land that was not legally transferred still belongs to its original owners. :lol:

And the crimes committed by the other members of the family are? Not that I do not believe they are scumbags, but Canada is governed by the rule of law. As for the court decision that Canada must take Khadr back. It is, from a legal point of view, the only one that the court ould take. Canadian citiznes have a legal right to return to this country. So let's get him back and then haul his ass in front of a real court of law.

More importantly. There are questions that do not warrant an answer.

Yet, the correspondence exists.

Genetics can influence intellectual capacities at an individual level. But at the level of an entire culture, or group of culture sharing a skin pigmentation? To believe that is to believe that Western Europeans in general were geniuses at the time of Christ, had intellectual dsabilities at the time of Charlemagne, were a little below average when the Black Plague struck, and back to be geniuses again by the time of Luther.

Nice to see some things never change, Leafless, like the fact you do not get it Of course, according to me, since I AM Franco Ontarian. You're confused... as usual. Here's what actually happens, every time. I say, and prove, that equal rights are not discriminatory, and you prove you don't get it by arguing that equal rights are infact discriminatory, corrupt, etc. etc. Remember now? You don't get it (again). Allowing people to express their opinion does not mean agreeing with said opinion, or not countering them with facts (you know, those things you never get). In case you forgot, YOU are the one who promotes Quebec-style unilingual policies that would restrict freedom of expression. Now... the topic here is Maher Arar. You have an opinion on the subject?

He's coming back? Good. Now he can be tried in a real court of law.

To come back to the original issue of the thread (sort of). British attempt to spread smallpox through First Nations: Correspondence between General Amherst (commander-in-chief of the British troops in North America), Colonel Bouquest (commander of a mercenary corps) and colonial officials during the Pontiac War of 1763 show that Bouquet recommended spreading the desease through infected blankets, and that an attempt had already been made at Fort Pitts. That it didn't work does not mean it was not tried. First Nations oral history is confirmed by the written record (not the first time).

Actually, M. Dancer claims that European societies got lucky towards the end of the medieval period, through events such as the fall of Constantinople, etc. As I said, I do not agree that the word luck is a good describer. But nobody here has claimed theat genetic traits are a product of luck... NOBODY... And unlike your drivel, there is nothing in what anyone has posted here that would lead a rational person to conclude anyone said or insinuated or meant anything of the kind. Because you are under the delusion that intellectual capacities are determined by race, you are under another illusion... that we all know it but just will like about it. Nope. What we know is that the idea is horse m*nure.

ad hominem... I was wondering where I have seen writen every second posting before... Yep, your postings on that other site a few years back. I must though that you didn't use to be that vulgar. Must be the frustration from having been banned from other forums.

Traumatic stuff... must explain why you are so much of the realm of logic.

It would indeed be idiotic to deny the role heredity plays in PHYSICAL characteristics of human beings, and if you had learned to read beyond what your hate-infected brain can process, you would notice that nobody here is making such a claim. Equally idiotic is the notion that heredity, and therefore race, is a determinent factor of intellectual capacities, or morality. Surely, someone who claims to be the only around here capable of rational thoughts will admit to that.

Indeed.