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I just came across this thread and have to say kudos to JB Globe for bringing a different perspective into this discussion! Frankly, it is rather refreshing to see a healthy and logical debate going on here instead of the usual bigotry and sweeping generalisations I have seen by certain posters.
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Hitler had some Jewish ancestry. Given that most Jews did not return from Babylonian exile after the destruction of the First Temple and many fled east to Persia and intermarried, it's not at all surprising that I'maDinnerJacket had some Jewish blood. Is he Jewish? I doubt it.
It was King Cyrus the Great, the creator of Persian empire, whose nation saved the Jews from the Babylons and allowed them to go back to Jerusalem to build the second temple! It is amasing that you say jews didn't return from Babylonian exile but conveniently ignore the fact that they were also saved big time by the persians from the massacre! Your negative generalisations as usual paints a different picture from facts! Look up the history! Facts are facts like some people keep reminding...
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Don't want a garden rake that looks like it's made in Canada. With first use on the first stroke across the soil the end comes off revealing a tiny made in China sticker. What good is this to me when I have to supply extra material and brain power to repair the rake? Makes me feel like I am a secondary labourer and re-designer of the rake. Send me a cut in the profits if I am going to have to finish their poorly done job..another example...The version the American Fender guitar that they knock off is not playable - Unless you put in a few hours providing the final touches - the brain power and personal human skill! To hell with China's ambitions to be like westerners of the 60s - They have no idea of the term due diligence.
Well I'm sorry to disappoint you but it has worked for chinese so far! How would one otherwise explain the rising unemployment in some countries??? With the low labour cost, cheap raw materials and demand for consumers like you and me for bargains who can stop them?
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Who are you kidding? China with its fast growing economy needs ME countries ever more than before for their vast oil! They couldn't be in a better position economically and politically!
So long as the chinese can get their oil at the right price in exchange for importing chinese made goods at a fraction of the labour cost into these countries everything is on course...
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You do realize that many on that list are from the middle-ages or earlier?
Yes I do...
But the list goes until modern era as it is mentioned in the link!
You can bring up thousands of prominent names by a google search in the modern era.
Here's another one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Irania...s_and_engineers
The point of contention as I already stated is mixing criticising the policies of the government with their people.
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Achievements of a society is not only based on religious beliefs but their intellect and competence.
Here's a list of all people contributing to the society and the world at large:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irani...ts_and_scholars
I don't think their achievement has anything to do with religion! Feel free to criticise the governments you don't agree with their policies but to blame the people of the region is utter stupidity and blatant ignorance!
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My point is to emphasize what should be obvious; that there is no equivalence between the civilized world and barbarians.
And which countries would be in that civilised world versus the barbarians exactly!? Is this another tactic to lump all those countries within close proximity to Israel!??? It's the same argument over and over again....
It's just your assertions which is is intended to deliberately blow the trumpet for jews and label the rest as evil.
What the heck if I had jewish roots I would also unreservedly support Israel against the so called barbarians....
Back in the old days the civilised world was meant to refer to the west against barbarian communist east Russia! With the communism gone middles eastern countries are the target irrespective of the country....
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Russians only do what serves their interest. Frankly they wouldn't hesitate to backstab the americans. Time will tell...
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You're right! I have placed another link here. It's worth mentioning whoever saw the entire 20 minutes interview with the doctor that tried to save Neda's life, he can no longer go back to the country.
Here's the BBC article which I was going to place here:
In 2005, in a run-off ballot, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected president with 62% of the vote compared with 36% for his opponent, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.In 2009, in the first round, President Ahmadinejad was re-elected with 63% of the vote compared with 34% for Mir Hossein Mousavi.
So what is the problem?
According to a study edited by Professor Ali Ansari, of the Institute of Iranian Studies at the University of St Andrews and of the London think tank Chatham House, the problem lies in the increased turnout.
In 2005, Mr Ahmadinejad got 17 million votes and in 2009 he got 24 million.
The question is, where did all those extra votes come from?
The answer, according to this study, is not at all clear.
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Professor Mansoor Moaddel of the University of Michigan pointed out that "key political events occurred between the data gathering and the election" and that "of 1,731 people contacted, well over half either refused to participate (42.2%) or did not indicate a preferred candidate (15.6%)."Full article:
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Another video on what Michael Ignatieff had to say:
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Hehe, good point Sharkman... I might be accused of not being able to substantiate on my claims on that last comment.
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One of the many Iranian singers called Andy performing a duet with Jon Bon Jovi as a solidarity in the memory of those Iranians died in the revent protest.
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By far this is the best and most accurate statistical analysis that supports the claims of opposition in Iran that the polling was indeed rigged.
In 2005, in a run-off ballot, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected president with 62% of the vote compared with 36% for his opponent, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.In 2009, in the first round, President Ahmadinejad was re-elected with 63% of the vote compared with 34% for Mir Hossein Mousavi.
So what is the problem?
According to a study edited by Professor Ali Ansari, of the Institute of Iranian Studies at the University of St Andrews and of the London think tank Chatham House, the problem lies in the increased turnout.
In 2005, Mr Ahmadinejad got 17 million votes and in 2009 he got 24 million.
The question is, where did all those extra votes come from?
The answer, according to this study, is not at all clear.
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Professor Mansoor Moaddel of the University of Michigan pointed out that "key political events occurred between the data gathering and the election" and that "of 1,731 people contacted, well over half either refused to participate (42.2%) or did not indicate a preferred candidate (15.6%)."Due to the nature of this brutal regime harrassing their own citizens I am not at all surprised that respondents are reluctant to take part in surveys as confirmed by this report. The entire election process was a farce and prediction of Ahmadinejad winning the election was already known before the election results were announced.
Full article:
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The current mullahcracy in Iran is the worst tragedy of repression in the 21st century. Frankly, where there's strict media censorship, the videos uploaded by these brave demonstrators illustrate only a fraction of the crimes committed by this regime. The only visibility that they have is to have mullahs piecemouth on the state television herding their bunch of supproters. Their grip to power is seriously under question. The regime is terrified by the magnitude of the demonstrations and losing power.
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Well...
You said it yourself "as long as the methodology is good". There are plenty of reasons to question the validity of such polls.
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And finally a tribute to MJ. Never liked that weirdo that much especially when he stared messing around with children. But this song is one of my old time favourites. It depicts quite nicely what is happening inside Iran right now!
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I am not so convinced. There was a poll released by CNN few weeks before the election, that showed Ahmedinejad ahead by a 2 to 1 margin. That information is suppressed now, to make it easier for people to believe what we are told.
"our poll results show President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the lead"
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/08/ballen.iran/
"our uncensored poll shows incumbent President Ahmadinejad in the lead with a plurality of support"
http://terrorfreetomorrow.org/articlenav.php?id=5
"Whereas President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was a sure bet just 10 days ago, the race has closed this past week,"
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/11/...pour.iran.poll/
"The poll found that Ahmadinejad was leading his nearest opponent, the more reform-minded candidate Mir Hossein Moussavi, by a more than 2-to-1 margin."
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06...nian.democracy/
I don't know what the truth is, but I believe every country would do what Iran did, if they had violent protesters burning cars and buildings. And every country manipulates information to their political advantage.
Ever since the revolution in 1979 I have not seen a credible source of polling carried out in Iran including the foreign ones. Why? Simply because the current regime in Iran is very secretive and the sample size for these polls are not representative.
Take a look at this one done just before the election by telephone interviews from a neighbouring country based on a sample size of 1,001 interviewees. What is even more rediculous is the fact that respective opposition candidates even lose to Ahmadinejad in their own constituencies.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9061401757.html
Where is the good old MORI and GAAP...
The results of the election were known 2 hours after the polling stations are closed. I mean how on earth is that possible through counting the ballot boxes?
Yet, the representative from the guardian council confirmed recently that on 50 provinces there were more than 100% votes. How rediculous is that? The results of this election was already known. It favoured Moussavi but the generals and commanders saw that his victory would result in a green revolution, which is why it was annuled!
Here's what Obama had to say:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8122028.stm
If the elections were to be free as ayatollahs claim what explains videos like these?
In this video peaceful protesters are shot at from the top of a building:
In this video a man is shot in the head:
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Another video from CNN
This shows the level of brutality by the riot police:
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Fine. Ok. But if you think this government wouldn't kill you in a microsecond, if you were perceived as a real threat to the state, you've been fooled again.
Well you have to look at the source of the problem. Years of hardship and repetitive sanctions imposed on iranians has taken its toll on the economy and people. This coupled with the fact that the whole election process was a farce was a major factor for curent protests. These people are not threatening. They lack the basic freedom. The lack of credibility for polling and re-election of Ahmadinejad for another 4 years despite the foregone conlusion that his opposition should have won by a big margin was the trigger.
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Soul it the animation of matter - spirit is different - It has to be invited in - in effect it is the presense of God or what ever you percieve the real "supreme leader" - who really does not lead nor follow - It's a case of having such strong faith and knowing that these people have no power - they have religion and religion is an artifical belief system - It's like believing in the devil - if you believe you cause existance to such an entity - you fear it..."Young man for you are strong - for you have mastered evil" You must know that evil and stupidity are the same entity - that you are a KING ...and YOU are sustained in the flesh by true believe and a surrender to real authorship - in other words - it's a reversal - you surrender in order to have the presense reside in you - These "supreme leaders are in a state of rebellion against humanity - against natural law and nature - against God ...and devine justice is slow - but it comes - through my experience - I have seen that everyone who hated me - or persecuted me for no just cause - all - eventyually suffer from ill health and some have passed away.
It's the concept of "love your enemy" - You love these bastards..and they have a choice to either mutually love back - or to hate - with some the more you love them the more they hate you - this hate destroys them --- If you HATE them they feed off of the hate - and grow stronger - those in Iran should literally love this bastard to death ----If I feel worn down - I reach out into the universe and bring healing upon my own body - It is my devine and social duty to live - It does not matter - how long it takes - if you are alive and in the end - they perish - you are the victor...and it does not matter if it takes 50 years - be patient.....don't give way to hate - that is what they want...starve them.
Well there comes a time when a man makes a conscience decision that enough is enough especially when those belief systems are so old and antiquated that nobody endorses them but the supreme leader and his close associates. You mention if you love them they have a choice to either mutually love back or to hate. Well it doesn't work with mullahs. Afterall, they have their followers/ herders who love the ideology (supreme leader) and the indiginous Iranian population that hates them. Either way, mullahs enjoy the popularity and the attention they get externally. So long as they can evolve with this belief system and find sympathisers they will always have followers. Maybe not in Iran but elsewhere!
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Knowing one such supreme leader..who says he leads by following - which makes him a herder of sorts - and he is no divine Christian sheppard..cold and god like - "What do you think of the weather I sent you" - and now - he does not want to know me..which is fine - because his type of power mongers are old hat and very old school
And here is where the danger lies people like Khamenei and his puppet Ahmadinejad are fanatical devouts to that very old school and would become a martyr for that ideologie. It doesn't matter how many Iranians they will kill in that process so long as they can survive.
- the trick is to out live them..that is your duty - to sustain untill all the "supreme leaders" of the world pass from this one into oblivion..why is it that the people that hate humanity the most have the most power?Well that's the $64,000 question how? If you know the answer to that I will be oliged to hear.
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Another video. Fairly recent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_yRk2sNPR0...player_embedded
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No good can come from a nation that has in authority a person who represents the will of the ALL MIGHTY..whether it be a supreme leader who by tradition has taken the position of a god ---or a western corporate head that thinks they are god - both are just as destructive..and both are oppressive. In the west secularist like to say there is no God - yet they allow men and some woman to pretend to be God..I don't see the difference - we all have our damned supreme leaders and they all beat us to a pulp - figuratively and literally..we just have a kinder more gentler type of beating.
Amen to that!
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Like one needs a proof that tthe death of that young girl Neda was fake and it's tomato ketchup put all over her. There's tons upon tons of videos and first class evidence of people who participated in those protests and report of a 'massacre' on the streets of Tehran. But hey there's a strict media present there so these f...ers can get away with whatever trhey want and ask for proof.
Same old tactics the regime uses to blame the outside interferance to build support of the indigenous population and raise their patriotic passion. Well no more in this time and age.
Have a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ql7mvNu4s8...re=channel_page
This is persian BBC reporting of the riot police damaging personal property and breaking into someone's house. The state television controlled by Ayatollahs namely supre leader Khamenei blames the damage to the personal properties on iranian protesters and foreign elements to create confusion and misinformation.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad rumored to have Jewish past
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But...Babylonians were going to massacre the jews and had it not been because of the persians; jews would have been massacred big time! Persians were their saviour. Read the bible it is all stated there. My point of contention is your style of cherrypicking events from the past to suit your personal agenda! Heck! I don't give a shit about ahmy which you compare to Hitler. As far as I am concerned they are the mass murderers of the protesters in the recent election in Iran. There is clearly enough evidence to draw a distinction between the government and the people. What I find bigotry is your deliberate attempt on this forum to demonise the population at large because of their religion! Especially one which throughout the history was a great saviour of jews.