Machjo

A comment was made above about dropping standards in education since children don't know the local language. 1. This is not nique to immigrants. When I was in French-medium elementary school in Victoria BC, a new pupil arrived from Quebec who could barely speak English. Now he could manage because it was a French-medim school. But imagine if he'd moved to a more remote town. It would have been the same as if he wre an immigrant. 2. As for immigrants not knowing English, that is not solved via racial seregation but rather immigration tests. After all, a Philipino is more likely to know English than a German. Yet according to what we're reading here, the Phillipino has the wrong skin colour so the German would be better.

Just a point I'd like to make. Part of the reason some blacks can't find work is also owing to racism. I remember an ex-uncle in law who was turned down for a job. Later, when a friend went to check, the job was still available. The same uncle, whenever he drove his nice car wearing a baseball cap, would always be pulled over by the cops. He'd lost count how many times. One of my ex-brothers in law was regularly pulled over by one police officer until one day he addressed the office by name and asked for his id number so that he could talk to his boss. Only then did the officer stop harassing him. Another probthe in law was never disturbed by the police until he'd started to grow dreadlocks one day. After about a week, he gave up and went back to the old style because he was sick and tired of being pulled over by the police all the time. The first brother in law mentioned above once was told that an apartment was not available anymore, but when I'd checked, it sure was. All this in but one family. The uncle was a computer technician working for the government, and the brothers in law were all going to university. Go figure. So we have to take that factor into account too which can explain at least part of the problem you're describing there. On another occasion, a Swedish tourist had mentioned to me that from her observations, she was treated more like a Canadian than native-born black Canadians were. So I was wondering, is it possible that to some degree the problems we see in some parts of Canada are partially caused by local attitudes and not the immigrant themselves? And no, I'm not talking about crime, that's another matter, but rather that some educated blacks sometimes can't find work in some cities. Could be a reflection of the city, no? Here in Ottawa, I have a few black colleagues and they work just fine and speak English well.

You really do like to pigeonhole people, don't you. You do realise that about half, probaly a small majority, of Quebecers are not sovereigntists? Sorry, too complicated. All Canadians say eh, all British Columbians are loggers. All Albertans are cowboys. And of course all Eastern Canadians are fishermen, right

Fine, if there was a misunderstanding, I apologize.

We have no moral requirement to be fair? Now I've read it all. So what if a Jamaican and a Pole both apply to immigrate to Canada. How would you determine which to choose? I could see the following criteria: 1. National. We say Poles get priority, so if that Pole is scum but the Jamaican is a brain surgeon, we let the Pole in and send the Jamaican home. 2. Competence based. They present all relevant documents to us, bank statements, police checks, degrees, diplomas, certicficates, references, Canadian job offers or business partners, etc., and we give them a test to pass. If they meet our standards, we might accept both. If either fails, we send him home with an explanation of why his application has been rejected. It could be reasonable to charge for our consular services for this, but they still have the right to know why they were rejected and based on what objective criteria. Isn't that more in line with what Canada stands for than playing games of national or racial preference?

Don't give him too many ideas.

Oh yes, forgot about that. The Boer Wars, a proud part of Canadian history, Canada's first foreing military excursion if I remember correctly, out there loyally helping the British in South Africa against the vermin trying to hang on to their territory. We can also be proud of the fact that Apartheid was based on Canada's reservation system, but taken to a greater extreme. Ah, our pride and glory. Those were the days.

Are they aware of blood donations at the red cross? Maybe they don't know where to give it? I don't know. Yes, now that I think about it, it was mostly whites that I saw there last time (strange that, it's only now that I think about it; geesh, I really should try to pay more attention to my racial surroundings, eh ). On the other hand, in Victoria BC and in Montreal, it was quite common for immigrants to volunteer in various programmes that I was helping with, mainly helping new immigrant integrate, anti-racism education, and such. I'd also volunteered in literacy education, and there both volunteers and recipients were usually white. So clearly immigrants do volunteer, but maybe are simply not aware of other opportunities. Ah, but I also remember one Madagascarian woman who volunteered at the red cross in Ottawa, though not sure where. But you can't say that because they aren't in your particular field of volunteer work that they don't volunteer.

I was shocked at some comments in another thread, so I'm putting this out to see what people really think.

I put the first option in the title. I'll try again. Damn it.

I was so shocked at the comments in another thread that i just want to know where people in this forum really stand. I hope the results of this poll don't disappoint me.

Forget it. I'll redo it in a separate thread. A moderator can close this one.

Something went wrong with the poll. I'll try to fix it.

I was so shocked at the comments made in another thread that I've decided to create this poll to see where people truly stand in this forum. I hope the results of this poll don't scare me.

I'm shocked at the results of this poll. I'm wondering if I should start a new poll to see how many would support reintroducing eugenics-based policies in Canada. On second thought, I'd better not; the results of such a poll could potentially make me paranoid.

Hey, give him a break; his family escaped the Sexual Sterilization Act of Alberta of 1928. It was repealed in 1972. Ironically enough, its repeal saved him even though he'd likely be a proponent of bringing it back. Eugenics paves the way, eh. It's not his fault he can't spell.

My point is this. If a comany advertises for a Chinese speaker, and a Somalie applies for the job and he speaks Chinese as well as if not better than the average Chinese, I'd say give the job to him. Same applies with immigration. We establish objective standards. Whoever can meet the standard can enter, and whoever can't, can't. It should not be based on eugenics.

And current immigrants don't? I see plenty of working immigrants nearly every day, some of whom are in professional fields. While it might be reasonable to raise immigration standards, just shutting the door on them is a little zenophobic, especially when other countries do welcome Canadian immigrants... oh sorry, but we're a worthier race I suppose? You've just described many Canadian ouths there. Well thank goodness for that. God forbid they should have tainted skin or something, or they might look like Jesus Christ. And what about those Aboriginals we'd displaced? Just a nuisance in the way? Not really Canadian? Hey, they don't look too Canadian either? Short memory, I see: "I'm sorry but Italians (especially from the north) are not racially dissimilar from Canadians... they come from roughly the same broad ethnicity or race. There are differences, but they remain European." Yeah, too bad Canada's original people's could't look a llittle more Canadian too, bloody foreigners. Ah, I see. Good ol' segregation. I suppose you long for the good ol' days when Canadian newspapers could advertise slaves? Oh, by the way, Japan ain't too European either. And do you honestly believe that i we should start a race war in Canada that it'll somehow raise our scientific knowledge? Well, you might be right. The Germans did make great strides in medicine after all the experiments they did on Jews that simply would not be acceptable in a civilized society. Go visit a Canadian univerity. At Concordia, the professors are of all skin colours. My god, man. We've got vermin teaching in our universities? Ah, I see. So our immigration policy should not look at educational or other standards, but rather make them pass a gene test. I can smell a whiff of Apartheid.

IQ? What does IQ have to do with education? Sure there is some connection, and we could say that education can develop one's IQ. But it's not a direct relationship necessarily. Also, I was making the point that educated Jamaicans do exist. By the way, while you were in the Cayman Islands, did you interact with the locals at all, or were you too good to mix in your host country? How did the locals take to being thought of as vermin?

I'd worked in China, that big bad wolf of a commie country, for two years, and yes, they did not guarantee services in English and I had to learn Chinese. Reasonable. And though I was not totally satisfied with the freedoms granted me, I can say at least that they were no worse than for the averae Chinese for the most part. In fact, if anything, I think they treated me better in some ways. However, I don't understand your desire for Canada to drop to their standards. It would seem to me that you would like Canadian embassies to jusdge a potential immigrant based not on his actual abilities, but purely on his skin colour.

Here's what I found within seconds on Google: Tertiary education is offered by the following institutions: University of the West Indies at Mona [4], (a regional institution) University of Technology (U-Tech)[5] Northern Caribbean University [6](NCU) University College of The Caribbean (UCC) [7] Edna Manley College of Visual and Performing Arts (an artistic conservatory) College of Agriculture, Science and Education (CASE) G. C. Foster College of Physical Education and Sports 12 teacher training colleges, 14 community colleges, 1 dental auxiliary school, 1 Vocational Training Development Institute, 29 vocational training centres and 6 Human Employment and Resources Training (HEART) vocational training institutions. Seems you're wrong. There are educated Jamaicans. You just don't want to believe it.

If we increased immigration standards, then those Jamaicans wouldn't be there. Instead, the Jamaicans living there would be professional physicians, lawyers, engineers, etc.

You're kidding, right? Did you not study History in High Shcool in Canada? That would be about your only legitimate excuse for not knowing about Louis Riel. We talk about preserving our culture, blah blah blah, and yet we don't know it ourselves.

Have you ever worked abroad? I have. And whether I live within my own border or abroad, I expect my rights to be respected. No different for those vemin of yours. Sieg Heil.

Let's not confuse spiritual education with academic. I've met people with degrees who did not want their children to associate with 'furreigners', or who didn't like 'French people' or 'English people' in Quebec, or who dont like Catholics or protestants or who refer to Aboriginals as savages. Academic education alone does not compensate for moral.