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Why not, the recognition might follow from Cuba, Venezuela, Belarus and other "elite" countries. I can tell how hurt Russians are by looking at how incredibly happy Nicaragua made them. Please tell me, if you are not Russian, Ossetian, Abkhazian or Georgian why do you take it so personally?

You have no idea what you are talking about Russians tried to stir another conflict in Adjara for ages but do you know why it is not working? You might not know that Ossetians and Abkhazians are not ethnic Georgians but Adjarians are, just like Megrelians, Kakhetians, Imeretians, Gurians and etc.. I, for example, am Rachvelian but I am Georgian first. Megrelians and Svans have their own language that other Georgians don’t speak, some Adjarians are Muslims while majority of Georgians are orthodox Christians and this is where the major differences end. You can always find traitors and knowing Russian methods I am not saying you cannot find Adjarians that are for Russia. However I know this is not what you want to hear but I personally think that Russia wastes time in Adjara. If you are really interested I could tell you more about the history of Georgia and its regions.

Georgia did not join Russian empire, Georgia sought protection from Russian Empire. Do you see the difference? Sure, US is not a world police but Russia is, right? "3 month old" with Russia's help killed and tortured many Georgians to take away something did not belong to them, or rarther did not only belong to them, dont forget. No matter how much you try to twist the facts they are the following: Samachablo and Abkhazia were part of Georgia for centuries, Russians and immigrants in those regions did terrible things to Georgian majority to gain defacto control, Georgia tried to solve this conflict peacefully, Russia did not accept any offer and kept bombing Georgian villages to provoke this war. When Georgians fell into trap and attacked rebels and criminals Russia occupied Georgia and declared those two regions independent, i.e. directly annexed two regions of neighbour souveren country. It's quite simple. As for moral bunkruptcy, dont be in a rush, you might want to eat your words soon. US is not a country that is isolated now, but Russia is. Almost nobody supported you morally, not even your allies, not even countries that are afraid of you. Abkhazia and South Ossetia are independent countries only in the eyes of Russia and Nicaragua, dont fool yourself. Sure I heard what happened to ingushetia.ru and Magomed Yevloyev. I dont understand why you advertise the fact that Russian police killed an opposition leader though. Ok, I agree I should not have used the word "stupid", change it to "not very intelligent", ok?

Russians taught us Rusophobia better than anybody else, dont give credits to Latvians, you fully deserve it. Are you sure you understand what Kikabidze said? I think you interpret his words based on your Russian mentality - finish a country, kill everyone in a country, etc. What he said was that we had to break free from Russia who occupied us more than 200 hundred years ago. I would not be so happy if I were you, dont be so shortsighted. Georgia might have lost (I am not so sure) but nothing suggests that Russia won yet. Only very primitive people have euphoria about EU not imposing strict sanctions and the west not starting III world war. Do you really think it is over and you got away with everything? Let me give you this example: I am a grown-up woman, fully capable of beating up a five year old kid. If I was as stupid as Putin-Medvedev are and if I really hated the kid as they hate Georgia I could do terrible things to him. Now let's imagine that after I beat the kid up I barricade myself in a building full of many people, I hold a finger on a button and threaten to blow a bomb if police try to come to get me. Do you really think I would win? Samachablo and Abkhazia were not yours to hand over, remember? These regions were Georgia's for centuries and majority of population was Georgian until Russians, Abkhazians and Ossetians killed and forced them out. "Our citizens"? Do you believe what you say or do you hope people are so stupid that they will believe you? Everybody knows how these people became Russian citizens, the more you press the point the more people become suspicious about validity of other points. So you dont like grani.ru. How about ej.ru? or echo.msk.ru? All of them are financed by Baltic countries and Georgia, right? I am insulting you? Why? Do you really think the war started because Georgians tried to kill every Ossetian and Russia had to occupy Georgia to avoid humanitarian catastrophy? I only call people stupid if they really believe this. Do you?

Hi Sharikov, Did you know that Stalin was ethnically half Ossetian? "Stalin was referred to as "The Broad-Chested Ossete". His father, Vissarion Dzhugashvili was an ethnic Ossetian cobbler from Gori, and his mother a Georgian serf. The name component "Dzhuga" is Ossetian (an Iranian language unrelated to Georgian), and is represented in the Ossetian name Dzhugayev."

Of course, why did I even ask Of course Russia never kills innocent people, never occupies. The sources you read are Russian. I never voted for Gamsakhurdia and I know he was not a great politician but neither he nor Georgians had this stupid motto. I was an adult when these things were happening and I know perfectly well what was going on. Ragozin is an ambassador of Russia to NATO dont you think he cant make videos like that? Calm down, dont panic This is a movie made in Latvia however the video is made by Ragozin, it is real and you know that Did Georgian on top of English and Russian distract your attention from the fact that Russian Ambassador to NATO openly calls people from Caucasus region trash? I dont hate Russians, dont you mistake me for your kind. If I hated Russians it would mean that I hate those Russians who protest against this war and believe me they are quite a few. I dont even hate brainwashed Russian who cheers to killing of Georgians, I know one day they will be sorry. I do hate those Russians who brainwash, who have enough information and logic to understand everything but choose to be dumb and immoral and justify unjustifiable. Russia was not very happy when the Soviet Union fell apart and tried its best to destabilize the region. Some stupid Russian on this forum wrote that Georgia is Russia. I dont even want to argue with this mental case. Russia does not understand sister republics, Russia was a "big brother" in Soviet Union. We were never equal. You know what Russia should have done? Russia should have returned Abkhazia and Samachablo to Georgia and Georgians would have been their closest friends and allies. They do not understand that it is better to have an independent friend than occupied enemy as a neighbor. Why is Saakashvili so hated in Russia? Because he was brave enough to stand against your aggression, because he said that you were rather warkeepers than peacekeepers and tried to break free. You did not expel Basilashvili? He does not even speak Georgian and I know he says he is Russian. However in 2004 principles of Russian schools were asked to provide a list of students with Georgian last names. Can you deny that? I am not surprised that Moldova is considering re-introducing Russian as a second state language, not if there are many "Moldovan" like you. By the way, did you know that in 1978 Russia decided to change the status of Georgian language in its "sister republic" Georgia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_Tbilisi_Demonstrations And while we talk about how well Russians treated Georgia before Soviet Union's collapse check out what they did on April 9, 1989. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy I dont understand your point. Yes, I am not in Georgia, I am in Canada, so? At least I live in a country that I absolutely adore and think of it as my second homeland. I dont criticize it and it is not Georgia's enemy whether it is cold or hot war. What about you? Here, you dont like Georigan sources, listen to Russian ones. It is interesting what they say about the "genocide". http://grani-tv.ru/entries/448/ http://grani-tv.ru/entries/436/ If after everything that happened you still think that it all started because Ossetian genocide and Russia occupied Georgia to protect innocent civilians you are not intelligent enough to argue with. If however you know perfectly well what is going on but distort the facts to justify crimes of Russia...

Sorry, I had some problems and could not find time to answer you. I know that I can edit the article but this is not the point. If the article is full of BS how come you use it to prove something? How Russians provoked the war? There are many different ways to do that. First of all propaganda - both visible and hidden (word of mouth). You (Russians) keep saying that Gamsakhurdia's motto was "Georgia for Georgians". He made many mistakes but he has never explicitly said that. However if someone keeps telling you that Stephen Harper says: fu**ing Russians get the fu** out of Canada believe me you will not be very happy with him. There was a highly respected man - Merab Kostava, a clear leader who was not as emotional as Gamsakhurdia, who would not have made so many mistakes and had far more chances to become a president. However he was killed in a suspicious car accident after which people followed Gamsakhurdia - one of few well known dissidents and a son of a Georgian beloved writer. However he was ousted in less than six months after he had already done much damage by the civil war orchestrated from Russia to bring Eduard Shevardnadze, a pro-russian president to power. In 90th KGB agents were everywhere - in Georgiana and in "South Ossetian" governments, do you think it was difficult for Russia to make them do whatever they wanted? + How do you think Ossetians and Abkhazs got weapons?

Did you miss me? You can read this excellent article until I come back (probably tomorrow) to post. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20.../georgia.russia

Do you really think this proves that I am wrong in blaming Russia in the conflict? And by the way, "South Ossetians" were not Russian citizens then, were they? Also, Russians were not peacekeepers. How come Russian military units were involved in the war? Let's forget about the fact that I can edit this page and write whatever I want to right now and let me copy the beginning of the article otherwise tomorrow people might not know what I am commenting on: "The 1991–1992 South Ossetian War was fought as part of the Georgian-Ossetian conflict from 1991 to 1992 between the Georgian government forces and ethnic Georgian militias on one side and South Ossetian secessionists and North Ossetian volunteers on the other, with sporadic involvement of the Russian military units. The war ended through a Russian-brokered ceasefire that established a joint peacekeeping force and left South Ossetia divided between the rivaling authorities. On the night of 5 January 1991, Georgian forces entered Tskhinvali. The Ossetian militants responded by firing at Georgian schools and houses in the city, while Georgians attacked Ossetian villages." What an in-depth analysis! So, this is how the war started - one night Georgian forces entered Tskhinvali (Georgian territory by the way), nothing else happened before, nobody expected anything but Ossetians were ready to "fire at Georgian schools and houses in the city" and later 70,000 Ossetians (and probably 10,000 more North Ossetians and Russians, eh? ) defeated 5,000,000 Georgians. By the way, the fact that there was a war does not mean that Ossetians and Georgians were not friends before Russia did everything to provoke fighting. Not only there are many examples of war between different ethnic groups that used to be friends, but it is also very easy to find cases of civil wars between representatives of the same ethnic groups - for example Russians.

http://art-of-arts.livejournal.com/213663.html Sooo interesting.. I wish it were in English but it will be one day. I love my Russian friends.

PoliticalCitizen Could you please answer why "South Ossetia" has a right to "self-determination" and Chechnya does not? To "help" you, here are major differences: Chechnya was occupied by Russia about 200 years ago. Samachablo ("South Ossetia" is a name imposed by Russians less than a hundred years ago) was not. Ossetians (Russians) killed many Georgians in Samachablo. Russians killed many Chechens in Chechnya. By the way are you still looking for a proof that Georgian President Gamsakhurdia said "Georgians for Georgia"? I know it is not a simple task as proof does not exist. Meanwhile why don't we watch an election campaign video of Ragozin, Russian Ambassador to NATO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin (I am sorry I don't have an English version of the movie. I will try to get it though. You can hear three languages at the same time and even though English is the most difficult of the three to hear you can still get an idea. DON'T MISS IT! by the way the whole movie is very interesting and, of course, banned in Russia.) http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=2dPN3heRTvo&...9C1&index=0 Everything is symbolic in this video: the music, the way the people look, even watermelon! You don't need to be genius to guess that those bums are most likely Caucasians (from Caucasian region). Ragozin offers to clean Moscow of trash. Do you know what he means? Georgians have never been hostile towards non-Georgian friends - ask Jews, who lived in Georgia for 26 centuries, if they have ever been discriminated. You made Ukrainians speak only Russian in Ukraine. Abkhazs, Armenians, Azeris, Ossetians... had their schools, theaters, universities, churches and mosques in Georgia. This is a huge sculpture in Tbilisi: http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5640/qdgq5.jpg Our message is: if you come as a friend, we will meet you with wine but if you come as an enemy we will defend ourselves with a sword. A Georgian classic story "Host-Guest" is about a men who dies defending his guest - a man who had killed the host's brother. The only reason the host defends him is that he is a guest in his house. This is in high school curriculum. Another classical poem we study in schools is about a battle between a tiger and a young hunter (loose translation) where both of them die. The mother of a young man gets devastated by the news but she says: it is very difficult for a tiger's mother too, she also lost her son. I need to go to her to console her. http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1050/vefxi2tk8.jpg So while I am not arguing that we are angels and saints, at least we are taught to love people, be noble and respect even enemies. This is part of Georgian propaganda, not racism, nationalism and hatred. Oh, I know how you wished there were no sculptures, no ancient writings, nothing that would prove that Georgians were there for a very long time, that Abkhazia and Samachablo ("South Ossetia") were part of Georgia, that Georgians are not occupants. You still managed to rewrite Georgian history and convince your brainwashed population that Georgians are your #1 enemy, the worst people in the world. And by the way, even if we were the ugliest, dumbest, laziest people in the world it is still irrelevant. You still have as much right to occupy our land as I have to kill an obnoxious neighbour who everyone hates. Russians are responsible for what's going on in Georgia now. Ossetians were fully integrated in Georgian society, there were tons of mixed families. It was not easy to make them an enemy but Russia managed that. They try to make sure we will not be friends again. Here are some of the representatives of the "South Ossetian" government: Customs Security Chief - Anayolij Baranov (Russian) - Former head of FSB Service of Moldova Minister of Defense - Vasily Lunev (Russian) - Former Military Commissar from Perm (Russia) Chief of Security Council - Anatoly Barankevich (Russian) - From Stavropol (Russia) Prime Minister - Yuri Morozov (Russian) - From ??? (Not "South or North Ossetia") No wonder there is no peace between Georgians and Ossetians. Georgians did not want Ossetians to leave the region. We wanted to forget, forgive and try to heal wound. We still want that. It will not be easy and it will take time, but it is doable. Georgia was occupied by Turkey many times but we are friends now. We want to be friends with Ossetians. "South Ossetian Government" surely does not want that. Now lets move away from sentiments and get back to reality. Did you know that Russia conducted full scale military training less than a month before fighting started? http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080705/113174665.html Did you know that Russians launched Cyberwar two weeks before the fighting started? http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-...0,5922456.story Did you know that Ossetians evacuated women and children just a day before the fighting started? I wonder why would they do that? Could it be because they knew they would do anything to start a war? I think you mentioned evacuation of Grozni... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7539282.stm And finally did you know that Russia reduced the number of casualties to only 133(!)? No 2000, not even 1500 but there are only 133 victims of "genocide". And even this number is under question mark. It's been more than a week after the end of fighting and they still have not presented evidence of a single civilian killed by georgian military until now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7572635.stm

You are absolutely right, neither of my examples were good

Even if not Russian you are as good as Russian. I have a coworker who comes from Ukraine, has a Ukrainian last name and says she is Russian. I guess sometimes your last name does not matter. How can I agree to your arguments when you say that Ossetians who killed and forced Georgians to leave a Georgian land deserve right to "self-determination"? Please explain to me why Ossetians have right to "self-determination" and Chechens don't. Facts are against you so you use allegations and lies. Of course Putin is as much affraid to be brought to justice for telling lies and providing twisted facts as a person dying of cancer is afraid to catch a cold. Your emotions wheather real or false dont matter. You strongly support something no country could accept. You also believe that if a country fights back it is absolutely necessary to invade it, kill people and destroy everything you can. Do you think I want to hear how sorry you feel about lost lives? My emotions dont matter either. If I knew that a III world war would begin unless a small country is destroyed, I would cry for victims but I am not sure I would support the war. However there is much more at stake than Georgia and sacrificing my country will not eliminate threats and difficulties.

PoliticalCitizen, You are a typical example of a Russian Propaganda. I am not surprised that you distort facts to try to justify your crimes. And I don’t think you are brainwashed, I am sure you are a brainwasher. (It can actually be regarded as a compliment in some twisted way). Your arguments can be read on any Russian forum. Yeah, it is only a land, shame on Georgians for killing people, right? If it is only a land - a Georgian land, how come you kill so many people to take it away? Kosovo got independence, Chechnya did not. So you have two different precedents that you hope you can use in different cases to always achieve one goal - prove you are right. It does not work this way, nobody buys that from a criminal Putin who exterminated so many Chechens and nobody will buy it from you either. What do you mean Russia has a larger border than Georgia. What kind of argument is that? Does it have bigger border proportionally? How about we compare Border/Number of Soldiers, do you want to do a math? So now Georgia is also guilty in maintaining an army? Here is an idea: if we keep the soldiers in a few years you can invade Georgia again for the intention of Genocide. I am sure Cuba will back you up. The latest history proves that Russia is the enemy to everyone not vice versa. What do you think the reason is? Gamsakhurdia never said “Georgia for Georgians!". Do you have a video, an audio, a newspaper, a book? Anything except Russian newspapers that prove that he actually said that? Bring it on and we will talk then. Please spare me your false sentiments. I am so sorry to tell you that your prayers were not heard and much more Georgians were killed and are being killed now and most of them are civilians. Are you ok? I hope you did not get a stroke. I hope the fact that Russian soldiers don’t kill Georgians will console you though. They just occupy the country letting armed Ossetians in freely where they do all the killing of unarmed people, mostly elders and women. Do you really think anyone believes in your fake emotions? You are trying to achieve two goals - invade a sovereign neighbor country and get approval of the world that apart from the moral values also has an interest in that country - these goals are conflicting, so don’t whine and face the reality. I know you want Georgia to stick with you, not because you love Georgians, quite the contrary. Well, you should not have built a fascist and racist country. I think that we will eventually regain a full control over breakaway regions. Some Abkhazian and Ossetian Russian citizens might decide to live in Russia and I am sure they will feel the power of your "love" fully when you don’t need them any more.

This joke is not about any particular nationality, put a georgian name if it makes you happy. I think you are missing the point here...

What does this have to do with your original argument about Georgia's case being trumpeted all over the news and Russia being painted an aggressor? What worries you, they don’t mourn victims of war or they think Russia is an aggressor? Russians have been using the term "Genocide" long before August 8th. I did not realize you had a different opinion. If you call Georgian's action genocide, what do you call Russian's actions in Georgia now? So you realize that it is a Georgian land, Georgians were killed or forced to leave in 90th by Russians and there was no genocide conducted by Georgia prior to August 8th (and even not after that) yet you still think that "Ossetians have right to self-determination" on a Georgian land? First of all you can read many articles about how your analogies are wrong. Second, I am sure you were not happy about Kosovo's independence yet you did not become supporter of Ossetian "Self-determination" overnight and were justifying their rights long before Kosovo's incident happened. Third, even IF there was a mistake made once or twice does it mean that we have to repeat it again and again? Don’t you realize that this kind of logic opens a door to many different small or big ethnic conflicts? What about Chechnya? How does your formula work for them? Are you saying that minorities or immigrants in any country have right to declare independence now? Justifying wrong action by recalling examples of other wrong actions does not make sense. So, Russia was a country that at least took part in ethnic cleansening of Georgians in "South Ossetia" but they have right to talk about genocide now, nice! Do we have a bigger army than Russia (proportionally)? I don’t think so. Did you plan to fight somebody? Why are you surprised that a country with two breakaway regions and a difficult relationship with Russia wants to build a strong army? Your answers were honest till now. You know that the passports were not issued to help poor "South Ossetians" move to North Ossetia therefore I will not comment on this. Wrong! Georgians did not need provocations, it was not in their best interests for many different reasons. Anyways at least you admit that there were provocations from Russian “peacekeepers” and Ossetians. This is not an answer to my question. What WOULD you do? When there is a war the human losses are inevitable. You say you are concerned about Georgian losses but I don’t think you call Russian's actions Genocide. Constantly talking about 2000 dead civilians (without any proof by the way) is a cheap propaganda. Much more Georgians died, Russian army destroyed many cities in Georgia and god knows when they get out but you justify that because "Georgians attacked you". Of course Saakashvili is a bloody tyrant especially relative to a big humanitarian Putin. How come you are not concerned about sufferings of Georgian people? There are civilians that are dying because of Russians. How come you don’t want them to leave?

Have you heard this joke? A war veteran is telling to his kid: Kolya, it was terrible, Nazis caught us, they raped half of division and killed the other half. - What did they do to you, pa? - They killed me, son. When I listen to some Russians talk about this war, I wonder which one does not exist - their logic or moral values.

Do you mean that they need to side with you even though you are wrong? So, there were "ethnic cleansing" on both sides not a genocide conducted by Georgia? Can I ask you few questions? 1. Do you think "South Ossetia" is a Georgian land? Just to help you here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia "The Ossetians are originally descendants of the Alans, a Sarmatian tribe. They became Christians during the early Middle Ages, under Georgian and Byzantine influences. Under Mongol rule, they were pushed out of their medieval homeland south of the Don River in present-day Russia and part migrated towards and over the Caucasus mountains, to Georgia." 2. Did Georgians live in "South Ossetia" prior to 1991 war? Did they become refuges in their own country? Did they have right to decide if they wanted to stay with Georgia? 3. Who did Georgia (population around 4million) fight in 90th? "Ossetia" (population around 70 thousand) or Russia? 4. Do you think that the interested party had right to be a peacekeeper in the region? Do you think Russia was a successful peacekeeper and handled whole passport issue honestly? 5. Do you think there is a chance that Russians/Ossetians were proviking Georgians? 6. If you were a Georgian president who does not want to give up a Georgian land and whose people are constantly attacked and killed by separatists what would you do to protect them? 7. Why do you think Russian army is still in Georgia? Thank you.

I am sorry if I was wrong but I thought you were being sarcastic.

He is right, he is not wasting his time. If Georgians are so slow in delivering real facts why shouldn't Russians take advantage of their sloppiness and try to win some gullible people's support? North America is so "unfair" to his motherland but he still lives in North America. They hate Georgians but still want Georgia to be a part of Russia. So typical..

See, I dont need Russians to tell me about Georgia. I studied Soviet history at school, I know how succesful they can be in fabricating facts so I am not suprised that the whole Georgian history is rewritten by Russians. You question my sources? How come everyone in the world has access to your sources yet they still blame you.

Why would I pretend that I am gruzin (actually gruzinka)? I dont think anybody on this board feels as terrible as I do now, but I dont want to concentrate on feelings. I understand that mother of a Russian who died in this war is devastated too and I know what she must be going through, even though his Vania came to Georgia to kill my Vano and take away that does not belong to him. There are many things that could have been done to handle this situation better. Everyone made mistakes. But the most important thing is that the war could not have been avoided no matter how smart Saakashvili acted. It is easy to point fingers and blame him, everyone was so happy with the status quo. So what Georgians were dying because of Russian/Ossetian provocations, who cares, only few have heard about that anyways. At least nobody was talking about III world or cold war. However you need to understand one thing: Russians were not happy with the status quo, Georgia was still controlling the pipelilne (and it is not only about pipeline either) and Russians wanted to change things. And when you have a powerful country run by bunch of KGB mentality people who are absolutely shameless and want to invade a neighbour country, they do it no matter what.

After beating 4 million Georgia the confidence of Russians got inflated way too much. Who knows what they are going to do next.

Really? Is it really that simple? So is it ok if you kick out everyone non-russian from North York, call it West Russia and declare independence? How come Ossetians deserve right of self-determination on the Georgian land after Russians made Georgians who lived in the region leave. How about you give Chechens right to self-determination?

And which facts do you suggest we check? "Facts" provided by you? How about the real facts? Ossetians don't want to live with Georgians, fine. Thank god, they have Russia with such a large territory. They can go and live in Siberia where their experience and attitude might prove useful later, if you know what I mean What about Georgians who lived in “South Ossetia” before 1990 and were kicked out from there? What about Georgians from Abkhazia where they were majority? Does their opinion not count? Everyone says there was a war in 90th and Georgia lost to Abkhazians and Ossetians. Georgians are only 4.4 million but they are still 60 times more than Ossetians. So, is it not clear that Georgians lost that war to Russians not Ossetians? It is really not a rocket science. Russia became a "peacekeeper" in the region. Nice! And they started issuing Russian passports to Ossetians and Abkhazians while at the same time Russians who live on the Georgian territory need to go through a very lengthy process to become a citizen of Russia. Georgian villages around “South Ossetia” were bombed for a very long time. Georgians were complaining but nobody cared. ok, Saakashvili should not have attacked “South Ossetia”. Fine, I don’t like violence either. What he was supposed to do to defend his citizens? Move away further? Give more territory to Russia? Until when? Regardless how unwise Saakashvili's actions were, is it really so difficult to realize that the war would have started no matter what? Please don’t tell me you care about Ossetians. I love Canada and Canadians but I was not born Canadian and I will not be easily fooled, I know what the real feelings of Russians are. I am Gruzin (Georgian in Russian) or as you “lovingly” call us black-a** Grizun (rodent). Check out this video, this is how you really love foreigners. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRScPVDSD6k I don’t think the World realizes that the way you raise your youth is scary and maybe even scarier than the way you act in Georgia. As for sentimental posts about poor South Ossetians. Do you think Russians killed less than 2000 people in Georgia? Do you realize that people get kidnapped, raped, burned alive in Georgia right now as we post in this forum? There is no good reason for Russians to stay in Georgia right now. They just stay there to steal more, destroy more and kill (or let Ossetians kill) more Georgians to punish and scare them. So, talk about interests, land, power, pipeline but dont you dare talk about lost Ossetian lives.