charter.rights

One needs only to look at the vote numbers to realize they don't care. That's funny that you ~say~ that violence is a last resort because it seems to be the first thing you resort to as an answer to every disagreement.....

Again, "what is reasonable" is a question we have no part in. Reasonable is what they agree to at the table and I'll tell you even if you don't agree with it in the end, it will have no influence on who gets elected. Canadians don't care about what happens in Haldimand anymore than they care what happens in Deseronto, Grassy Narrows or Ardoch. The end agreement will meet the expectations of both parties, or there will be no agreement and we'll be facing the next hundred years of unrest. Actually, there are no more excuses for NOT consulting and accommodating aboriginal interests in the lands. We are in violation of our own laws everytime that we build or develop a property without proper approval from our adjoining First Nations. You of all people should know that if we are going to promote a state where we do not follow our own laws that we are inviting anarchy to rule. And it isn't that we have to fear Six Nations, but the continued injustices tend to make others stand up and listen. Shawn Brant set forth last year with a mandate to disrupt the Canadian economy and in a few short days cost companies like CN millions of dollars in lost freight deliveries. Can you imagine what anarchy with a further goal of breaking the economy would bring? Chaos. In our cities and towns, on the highways and dirt roads we would be faced with vigilantism and lawlessness. Settling with First Nations is in our own interest and the more rhetoric that gets passed around as the government stalls and obfuscates the process the more of a chance that our society order will erode. And while I expect that you answer will be to use force, you must remember why Vietnam and now Afghanistan are failures. We can't tell the peace-loving citizens from the insurgents.

There were no criminals and hoodlums there. Like the Six Nations occupation of the DCE lands, there were mothers, grandmothers children and old men that took over the site. The Warriors showed up when the Army did, as a counter response to the aggression. During this particular melee when Horn-Miller was injured, the women with small children were being evacuated and the Army was attempting to push them back. It was the Army that got out of hand. Why can't you accept that some of our soldiers acted badly? Do we need to bring up Somalia to prove to you what they are capable of?

I guess you haven't read their plan. The HDI has Red and yellow zones on their map of the Haldimand which restrict and prevent development in certain areas. The green zones recognize where the cities and towns have already destroyed the earth and allow development in their own little destroyed areas, preventing them from expanding that destruction into farm lands, conservation lands and pristine table lands.

The tobacco industry is nearly a $billion business. There is lots of money in those little ma and pa operations and they are looking to diversify their investments into tangible and long term businesses. Good for them......

ALL the documents are on the table and not one has proven the government's assertion that the Plank Road was surrendered correctly. As for the rest of the Haldimand, much of it is NOT in dispute as the government has already admitted (and has acknowledged since the early1800's) that squatters and illegal settlers had moved in. The federal government acknowledges it mistakes. Negotiation therefore is focusing on what constitutes reasonable compensation for most of the lands that cannot be returned. Six Nations has remained adamant that land must be included in any settlement. And in the end it doesn't matter what you or I think of the process. It will move forward with an eventual settlement that both parties will accept, even if it means giving up half the county and another half of the neighbouring counties.

Right. Blame the victim. That tells me a lot about where you are coming from.

She didn't do such a thing. She got caught in a push by the Armed Forces and some yahoo gutted her.

But life for Waneek has not just been a series of sporting competitions. She first made headlines when she was involved, at age 14, in the Oka crisis in the summer of 1990. She was stabbed in the chest by a soldier’s bayonet. The wound was mitigated because the bayonet blade was deflected off her sternum but a serious scar remains. Waneek Horn-Miller

I call bullshit. Journal of Military and Strategic Studies, Winter 2008, Vol. 10, Issue 2. CARRYING THE BURDEN OF PEACE: THE MOHAWKS, THE CANADIAN FORCES, AND THE OKA CRISIS P. Whitney Lackenbauer, Ph.D.1, "The Oka Crisis was replete with images of the military with fixed bayonets being pushed and punched, with numerous efforts from the hostile crowd to wrestle rifles from the soldiers' grasp. However, short of the use of force by rifle or bayonet, the military was hard pressed to effectively prevent attacks on its formations or individual soldiers." Major (now Colonel) Bernd Horn 7 September Tempers flare at Kanesatake following a breach in the wire created by the Warriors, and rock throwing by the Mohawks. The CO orders the troops to fix bayonets until the situation is brought under control. The following people remain in the T.C.: 24 Warriors, 5 patients, 9 women, 11 children, 6 negotiators, and 23 journalists. The Armed Forces used their bayonets. One stuck Waneek Horn-Miller, a 14 year old girl.

The "law" applies to us - Canadians. It tells us to respect their right to land.

Hmmmm....that's novel idea...and exactly what they are doing. BTW few Six Nations people are on the dole. The majority of them hold full time jobs or own their own businesses.

The purpose of the protests was to force the government to recognize lands claims and to consult and accommodate Six Nations BEFORE all the land was used up. Taking a brownfield and capitalizing on needed infrastructure is a business venture that will contribute to regional economic development. That is something they have always stood for, so long as developers complied with the law first.

Who are you talking about. You do realize that such talk is a violation of the rules here and subject to immediate banning....?

And history clearly demonstrates that European civilization..... Prove it by providing links. At the time the first Europeans arrived here many of them died from scurvy in the first winter. This was eventually cured by a relatively simple treatment. If not for the Natives, Europeans never would have survived, being inferior to the original inhabitants.

Unless you can provide a link proving your "History clearly demonstrates...." it is nothing but an ill-conceived opinion. New Twist: Archaeologists have long thought that people in the Old World were planting, watering, weeding, and harvesting for a good 5,000 years before anyone in the New World did such things. Not so.

From Wikipedia although there are other legal texts which discuss this at length. Proprietary estoppel The traditional version of proprietary estoppel arises in relation to rights to use the land of the owner, and may even be effective in connection with disputed transfers of ownership. So if: * one party represents that he or she is transferring an interest in land to another, but what is done has no legal effect, or * merely promises at some time in the future to transfer land or an interest in land to another, and * knows that the other party will spend money or otherwise act to his or her detriment in reliance on the supposed or promised transfer, an estoppel may arise. Thus, in Dillwyn v Llwellyn (1862) 4 De G.F.& J. 517 C.A. a father promised a house to his son who took possession and spent a large sum of money improving the property. The father never actually transferred the house to the son. When his father died, the son claimed to be the equitable owner and the court ordered the testamentary trustees to convey the land to him. See also Inwards v Baker [1965] 2 Q.B. 29, C.A. In Wilmott v Barber (1880) 15 Ch D 96, Fry J considered that five elements had to be established before proprietary estoppel could operate: * the plaintiff must have made a mistake as to his legal rights; * the plaintiff must have done some act of reliance; * the defendant, the possessor of a legal right, must know of the existence of his own right which is inconsistent with the right claimed by the plaintiff; * the defendant must know of the plaintiff's mistaken belief; and * the defendant must have encouraged the plaintiff in his act of reliance. Although proprietary estoppel was only traditionally available in disputes affecting title to real property, it has now gained limited acceptance in other areas of law. Proprietary estoppel is closely related to the doctrine of constructive trust. The term "proprietary estoppel" is not used in American law, but is part and parcel of the general doctrine of promissory estoppel. In English law, proprietary estoppel is distinct from promissory estoppel.

The kids from an Afro-centric background make up about 60% of that 28% drop-out rate. So really people of colour don't have the same opportunities through school that mainstream kids do. The move to Afro-centric schooling (which the media calls "All Black") is an attempt to reduce those numbers and provide more adoption of the school curriculum by teaching subjects from a perspective of how it affects them and their family history. There really is an over emphasis on British cultural dominance in the school curriculum. In history we were taught that the British won the American Revolution by beating the Americans back to Washington, and the War of 1812 that saw the Americans brought to their knees. Of course Americans have a slightly different version of this. But what of the Buffalo Soldiers and the people of colour (Natives, Blacks, Asians and others) that fought along side the British? I know from my own research how pivotal the Native participation was in both these and later wars in defending the British empire but none of it was taught to me in school. I know an elementary teacher - a friend of the family who is now retired - who had a hard time trying teach a young kid about math. He came from a farm background and really had no interest in "learnin' no numbers". The boy couldn't see any purpose in math. So after struggling almost a half year with him see came in one day and started to put the math questions too him in terms of farm production. "If a hog brings $2.25 a pound at auction, then how much money does his dad get from a 250 pound boar?" The kid had the answer in a snap. So she put more questions using cost of grain versus production etc and the kid passed math with a B average - a huge success! So the point is that kids learn more readily when they can relate to the subject. In most schools 72% of the kids "get it" reasonably well. However, 28% cannot relate and have no interest in British Colonial history. Instead by providing an Afro-centric school it may give 60% of those drop-out neighbourhood kids an opportunity to see learning in a different light and maybe, just maybe 40 or 50% of them will go on to graduate.

Rural properties just outside the urban areas are some of the hottest properties in Ontario (the shorter the commute the better). Like any real estate investment the three keys to increasing the value is "location, location and location". In Toronto people are gobbling up large lots and splitting them in to two, building 2 new homes where one once stood. I know a guy who took a $550k house in Forest Hill and built 2 $1.5mil houses, all for a one year investment.

I think it is a lesson you could take from our Iroquois friends.... They certainly have it over most of us.... From their Great Law: The thickness of their skin shall be seven spans -- which is to say that they shall be proof against anger, offensive actions and criticism. And two little words disturb your sensitivities....Perhaps you should just get over it?

Retirement communities are the way people have been going for the last 20 or so years. A place where they own and live in their own affordable small homes, live off the interest from the sale of their big homes and where all their needs are met within the community. (Hmmmm....sounds like retirement community living is similar to the way Six Nations sees their community.....people taking care of each other....)

Cow dung. SN is applying proprietary estoppel as the only means left to prevent development occupation on their lands without their consent. This is a legal issue and at point the government's failure to comply with its own laws. Clear and simple.

MOST whites still haven't advanced as far as most natives societies. Emphasis on the accumulation of wealth - especially where is originates in the theft of land or resources - doesn't fit my definition of success. Rather it reaches into the immoral prerogative of a corrupt society.

I support neither the troops or the OPP when they use guerrilla tactics against women and children. But I guess that what happens when you put guns in the hands of outcast misfits soldiers and psychotic and racist paramilitary police forces.

You obviously didn't watch the movie. They took the woman out of the water with a broken hip where she was slammed into the abutment after being thrown in their by a soldier. During Oka Waneek-Horn Miller (16 years old) was also stabbed by a soldier's bayonet. We're talking about two clear cases where soldiers exercised force against women who were absolutely no threat to them. Nah, it was just the lunatic actions of a bunch of army misfits doing what they are trained to do...beat up defenseless women.