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It comes honestly. When you see guys beating up women and children, torturing little boys for kicks and then lying about it from Command down the ranks then it sure spoils the taste of support, now doesn't it. It is a well formed and rock solid opinion based on some pretty damning evidence. Show me that they've changed and I might have a change of heart. But sending boys in to kill civilians in Afghanistan in a war we don't belong in certainly doesn't reinforce the opinion that Army = Good. And sending those same misfit boys, who got duped into believing they have a God-driven mission to go out and shoot the enemy and them putting their dead lifeless bodies on display on the Highway of Heroes doesn't detract from the morbidity of senseless media sensationalism either. Both the CAF and the media are scum-sucking flea bags in my opinion.

I don't need a source. It is an opinion, nothing more. It has nothing to do with hate either. It has to do with the rampant attacks the CAF has made on innocent people. At Kahnawake, the army spit, crapped and pissed on food and first aid supplys sent into the camp. They refused to allow the Red Cross access to the medical centre and used warfare tactics against women, children and old people. Only a misfit and their misfit commanders would do such a thing. Only depraved individuals would stick a young girl with a bayonet and throw teen aged girls off the Mercier Bridge. So it is my opinion. The CAF are a bunch of misfits with rifles. Nothing good at all.

That is the "big Conservative myth". The fact is that it is under Conservative governments that the most restrictive legislation gets passed. It is under Conservative governments where the most money gets spent, thereby creating more dependence on governments. And it is under the Conservative governments where governments operate under secrecy away from public scrutiny. One would think that if Conservative governments held the individual in higher esteem that they would not seek to restrict them, remove and abrogate their rights, and lean towards a police state. That is why ultra-conservatism always leads to fascism.

My comments are clearly an opinion. Do you have trouble discerning fact from opinion M? I know why prisons have more natives. That is besides the point. You made a statement and tried to back it. You never intimated it was an opinion, but proposed it as fact. Yet you have no facts, because your statement isn't true. If you want to admit it is just an opinion, then I would call you on your prejudicial ignorance. You chose.

So you are wimping out? Figures. So it mustn't be true then.

Nice try but you fell short of the standard you had set for yourself to prove: "Per capita, natives rape and kill mre than non natives...." There is no argument that natives are 5-6 times more likely to end up in jail. There are inequities in the system and most of crimes are alcohol related or domestic in nature. Prove your statement...if you ~think~ you can......

Sure it matters, WB. In the interest of fairness all the evidence must be presented. The Crown has a case to make. Making statements before the trials begins doesn't mean that they have the goods necessary to ensure conviction. And I suspect that once all the evidence does come out a trial, there will be a much more balnced view of exactly what happened.

Maybe you would like to control the music that people listen to, also? Or maybe get the government to control the TV and computer images one can watch?

Links please....not that I doubt you or anything since it is just as easy to state that white boys make up 80% of the paedophiles in Canada...

Perhaps. But the majority of crimes are committed by non-natives, regardless of the proportions of native soldiers to non-native soldiers. If I were to fathom a guess at the reasons this is true, I would suggest that natives join because they need a job and the army provides them opportunities for advanced education and training. On the other hand the majority of non-natives join because they are misfits, have extensive psychological problems and no other employers will have them. Although all of this is just speculation based on the anecdotal evidence.

He said the incident started at about 4 p.m. when Gualtieri and three of his workers..... It was 4 adults against 3 youths, the youngest at 15. Seems to me that when Gualtieri showed up and "confronted" the youths they were intent on using force against them. However, it appears that the adults got the short end of the stick. It also sounds to me like self-defense is plausible, since had the workers stayed away as they were ordered to by the OPP, nothing would have happened. Of course we do have to wait for the trial for all the facts to come out but sensational media is not a court of law and the Spectator has shown to be biased and even racist against native people.

For all your rationalization, Matchee was NOT convicted because he was unfit for trial. That makes him NOT GUILTY for the time being. However, Kyle Brown WAS CONVICTED of manslaughter. As it stands, Brown is the only one that has been identified as being responsible for Arone's death. Give it up. There is plenty of evidence you suggest that your darling - the Army - is totally corrupt from command down to the misfits on the bottom. Rapes, murders. buggery, abuse all have taken place within the ranks. That is all that needs to be said. If you don't agree, then perhaps you can provide links to dispute each and every charge. I'm not making them, I'm just reporting them.

Sure. While we're at it we'll scour the papers for all things horrible things Canadians have done in the past 6 months. And perhaps we'll also find quite a few articles about Canadian Christian men who have done things to little children. However, in the one case I cited, there was not just one or two soldiers involved. It was a cover up involving some higher ranking officers. If something so despicable was covered up for so long, how many others have been successfully hidden from the general public. And given that there are quite a few recruits with mental problems that slip through, it is likely there are many, many, many more. Seems there is more going on than we really ever hear about.... Rape in the CAF More Rape in the Military

Of course that is the "Canadian" version which holds no water where sovereign Mohawks are concerned. They have their own laws and reject Canadian law. CRA tried to challenge this one guy I knew about collecting tax as a limited company on reserve. He told them to shove the idea and presented them with a copy of a law that that Band Council had enacted that stated that no businesses on their Territory were to collect taxes for foreign governments. The CRA took him to court and the judge told CRA to do their homework, and threw out the case citing that where there is a native law and it is consistent with their aboriginal rights there was no obligation for them to collect tax on behalf of Canada. CRA declined to take it further because they feared that the bullying they do to some First Nations' residents would be exposed and they would lose their ability to demand taxes from them as well. Tax-free status isn't a perk granted by Canada. It is an Aboriginal right as sovereign allies of the Crown. The use of foreign currency accepted by another nation does not reduce Six Nation's sovereignty anymore than the using the Euro-dollar makes one nation out of many. I frequently purchase stuff on-line using either the $US or $Euro as currency and it does not diminish my citizenship one iota. As to dependency...our homes and our business have been built with ill-gotten timber and other stolen resources and we don't seem to mind using them when it is convenient to us....We have a legal responsibility to provide services for First Nations that has nothing to do with choice....Or don't you believe in the law?

I've have denied nothing. Matchee AND Brown killed the kid TOGETHER. Not only that there were many more involved in that depraved event, which goes to prove that the army is full of misfit killers. Imagine, giving a gun to people with such psychiatric disorders that they took enjoyment out of torturing a 16 year boy, and sticking a 14 year old girl. And then the whole command had the audacity to try to cover it up! That's the Army for ya! Just a bunch of murderous hackers....under command...... That you were part of all that, and try to deny that white boys are murderous thugs, is really pathetic.

There is no tax on any of the tobacco products, save and except the $150 million Grand River Enterprises pays in excise taxes every year. However, the tobacco contains no additives (unlike the store bought kinds) that are used to enhance nicotine effect and addictive quality. On the scale of things these tobacco products are better for you than store-bought stuff......if that is any consolation. There is NO TAX on reserve because Six Nations and others are not Canadians. It is useless to suggest that the mainstream tobacco revenues somehow offset health care, since tobacco taxes, like alcohol and gaming taxes are put straight into general revenues. All these sin taxes aren't about helping the cause. There are money makers that the government milks from the economy.

Hardly. You're just playing the spoil sport because I have proven you wrong twice in as many days.

You have proven over and over again, don't know what is going on at Six Nations. Maybe if you did a bit of research and posted your findings like you have been asked repeatedly then perhaps your opinion wouldn't be regarded as nothing more than a grain of sand in a boulder. Money brought into a community gets distributed around. According to economist every dollar touches 7 people at least once. A billion dollars might touch 6000 people with about $25,000 each.....

I disagree, joan. That was an excuse used at Nuremberg too, but the court found that soldiers following orders must question those orders when it means the killing of innocent people. And until these police and soldiers have enough of a conscience to question before they act, they are equally responsible. Just as in the case in the death Shidane Arone, soldiers following orders does not make it right. BTW I heard today that Larry Hay the former Police Chief of Tyendinaga was officially fired today. If you remember he was the one that was quoted by Loyalist College newspaper as having said the OPP and RCMP are racist organizations. When I last spoke with Mr. Hay he was expecting this action. Certainly it will bolster his claims of wrongful dismissal against the OPP when it goes to court later this year. I suspect that we will see a settlement in the millions. That would be expected from Fantino, rather than admitting that in fact they are a racist organization. Here is one example where a commanding officer refused to follow orders because they were racially motivated. It is also expected that Fantino will be handed his walking papers pretty soon....or so says the little mouse.....

Kengs333 is under the creek bank on that one. Brant was adamant about being able to lease land to non-natives for Six Nations prosperity. The idea was that under long term leases settlers would clear the land and create roads etc. After the leases were up Six Nations would regain occupation and carry on with much of the work done for them. In today's terms that is wise investment. Most of those leases were illegally converted to title. That is how non-natives came to occupy much of the Haldimand. The process was (and still is) totally illegal. Since the leases were never fully paid, the land - regardless of what title has been placed - reverts back to Six Nations ownership. In many other leases, the government tried to force Six Nations to sell. When they couldn't get them to agree they basically stole the land forging signatures on official agreements. The one that gave rise to the Caledonia occupation - the Plank Road claim - was exactly this method. Very early in negotiations, the government made a declaration that they had proof that the transfer was legitimate by producing a 1844 agreement with the signatures of 47 Chiefs. When Six Nations representatives pointed out that there weren't 47 Chiefs available to sign (more than half were in New York at a council for most of 1844) and secondly the names that were contained on the document were in fact not names of traditional condoled Chiefs, the government pulled the document and claimed they had other evidence. For nearly six month they have not produced "the other" evidence and instead have refused, without any legitimate basis to negotiate that claim. Six Nations has minutes of their Council meetings, and correspondence directing the Chiefs to refuse an agreement to sell. Their only interest was to lease the land. Samuel Jarvis was the Indian Agent at the time and has historically been accused of fraud, forgery and embezzlement of Six Nations trusts to his own benefit. Since he was an employee of government, the government is fully on the hook for all his dealings. Legally lands obtained through fraud are null transactions. The only question on much of the lands around the Haldimand is what to do with those that currently occupy the land illegally. In the last 5 years, a similar occurrence happened at Tyendinaga and Shannonvile. The government's solution was to use its reality branch to buy up the properties and return the land to the Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte. As of today, nearly 60% of Shannonvile has been vacate and handed back to the Mohawks in settlement. That goes to what I said earlier about the outcome not having any effect. There were plenty of Shannonville residents pretty upset at having to leave their homes. Yet the rest of Ontario, never hear a word about it.

I've been to many and consulted with many others. And since I frequent reserves all over Ontario on a regular basis I have a pretty good idea on where the money is coming from for all the new buildings that the Natives are building. The Health Centres and other government infrastructure is coming mostly from the Rama Fund and Trillion Foundation grants. However, the new variety stores, the new ATV sales the new clothing stores etc. are from re-investment of tobacco profits. Most of the natives I talk to are aware that the tobacco industry is just a short term benefit. So they are taking their profits and re-investing in long-term businesses. Some are even putting a little aside for their own community meal programs, making sure that everyone gets fed. There are many intelligent business people involved not only in the tobacco industry, but in other businesses and most of them have some major centres they market to close by. The advantage of buying goods and services on reserve isn't only getting them tax-free, but they often have lower wages which bring the overall costs lower than mainstream businesses. And most of what I get is much better quality because those business care about keeping their customers satisfied so people like me will frequent their establishments.

I imagine I know where you stick the exhaust.......

Sure it is an opinion. That is where discussion comes from. Wot? You think we should listen to the chain of command?

Bull. They were all complicit and Kyle Brown was found guilty of murder. He did it and it was a game the army played with an innocent boy. Those who were charged with unlawful bodily harm each took their shots at the boy. The point is the army was full of society misfits then, and is still full of society misfits today. They are a murderous, unlawful bunch who would just as easily stick a 14 year old with a bayonet as they would cut the testicles off a 16 year old boy. I'm still waiting for your retration BTW that the army doesn;t use bayonets. That bull, like this that you are trying to pass off just doesn't cut it around here.

Soldiers are trained to kill and that's exactly what they did. How convenient that you would leave out the other perpetrators involved in the death of Shidane Arone... Pte Brown was charged with second degree murder and torture. Sgt Gresty was acquitted on both counts of negligent performance of duty for his role in the death of Shidane Arone. MCpl Matchee was found mentally unfit to stand trial on charges of second degree murder and torture. Sgt Boland pleaded guilty to the charge of negligent performance of duty for his role in the death of Shidane Arone and not guilty to torture. The court martial panel convicted him of negligent performance of duty and stayed the torture charge. Maj Seward was charged with unlawfully causing bodily harm and negligent performance of a military duty. Pte Brocklebank was charged with torture and negligent performance of duty. Capt Sox was charged with unlawfully causing bodily harm, negligent performance of duty, and an act to the prejudice of good order and discipline for his role in the death of Shidane Arone. Capt Rainville, the officer leading the CARBG Reconnaissance Platoon in Somalia, was charged with unlawfully causing bodily harm and negligent performance of duty in connection with the March 4, 1993 incident in which one Somali national was killed and a second was wounded. LCol Mathieu was charged, in connection with the March 4th incident, with negligent performance of duty as a result of orders allegedly given on the use of deadly force, contrary to the ROE. MCpl Smith was charged with criminal negligence causing death and negligent performance of duty as a result of accidentally discharging his rifle and fatally wounding Cpl Abel on May 3, 1993 in Somalia. THE SOMALIA MISSION:POST-DEPLOYMENT THE COURTS MARTIAL Investigations and Charges There was more than "one" native that killed the boy. Oh look I found their names for you.....