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No, I made these points to illustrate the fact that people who experience suffering and persecution can themselves become persecuters and victimizers. Israel is a state that was founded by Jews, many of who survived the holocaust; yet the best way in which they can accomplish this is through terrorism (Irgun, etc), war, and displacing and forcing millions of people into refugee camps. Of course any criticism of Jews or Israel get's automatic "anti-semite" accusation--that's always the way it is. But I talk about Israel no different than I do about the USA and Americans, China and Chinese, or any other country/people that I have issues with--regardless of race or religion (yes, even "Christians"). Would it have made you happy had I chosen some other country? How about the Netherlands who all those years had to suffer under Nazi occupation (except the 60,000 who enlisted in the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS) and once freed--by the Canadians no less--went off and started a war in southeast Asia that resulted in c. 250,000 deaths, I believe. Is that better??? Or is this me just being "typical anti-dutchite-using"...???

Sorry, I've heard this all before and I don't buy it. There's always more too it. But that's no matter, if you do (or did) work 60 hours a week, that's your problem, not mine. Someone who puts themself in that position is, as you say, "no brainchild"--slaving for someone for that amount of time regardless of the compensation is a sad way to live.

Gay rights movement. Man-boy love is a celebrated aspect of male homosexuality. What are people who have sex with people of the same sex? The spread and acceptance of the two movements have similarities. Why can't they be "victimizers". That's correct. Animals aren't homos. Something can't be "not widespread" that doesn't exist. Same sex attraction in animals is proven scientifically to be caused by pollutants. Homosexuality is immoral. Immorality is detrimental to society. And "gay rights activists" don't? Most of my opinions, however, are not subjective; they are objective and based on fact.

This has already been discussed elsewhere in this thread. It really just makes you look like a fool when you draw these kinds of connections between the book of Leviticus and Jesus, while disregarding all that was written in between, all that is written in the Gospels.

No, making a factual statement about pedophelia and making a personal attack in which one calls someone else a "anti-semite" for mentioning Israel's poor human rights record are two totally different things.

It really doesn't matter what he believed.

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The problem with this country is people like you. Please stay in Alberta where you belong.

Absolutely nothing in your thread deals with what I stated; let's see you start a business--do you even have the ability to do something like that?--and employ people who need work and actually do something instead of just mouthing off. If it's so easy for others to just hop to it and start attaining things that may be beyond them, then let's see you do. Don't you want to earn more money? Wouldn't you like to have twice as much money as you do now. Go get another job or find a higher paying job right now. This is Canada, you should be able to do it if you want to. If you don't, then that just shows that you're lazy, too.

What a liveable wage is should be self-evident. No person should have to live in poverty working full-time, or even two or three jobs, but that's the way Mr. I-hate-lazy-bums has to have it because a) he wants his conveniences cheap, b ) people that are lesser than him have no right rasing themselves up. That's the way it is. People who are well off hate poorer people, but they hate it when poorer people surpass them. Being able to find a job depends on a number of factors, and if there are no jobs to be had, there are no jobs to be had. Of course for rich kids it's always easy; mom or dad, aunt or uncle, some family member or friend always has something for them; they get the advantage and build on it, something that many people don't get, and then twenty years down the road they've convinced themselves that all their hard work got them where they're at and people that are lesser than them, don't have what they have are somehow "lazy".

I have an idea; why don't you go raise a couple million dollars and then start a company that will employ Canadians who need work and pay them a liveable wage. That will give you a few less "lazy or chronic system abusers" to complain about. Maybe if all your type in this country would do so, we wouldn't have the problems you're always complaining about.

Yeah, I think the fact that there are TWENTY or so spaces between some of your lines is unnecessary.

No, I did NOT make "ridiculous negative generalizations" about anything. What I stated was purely factual. Anyone who follows what's going on in the Middle East knows what the situation is, and it's nothing controversial to state that Israel's human rights violations are really unfortunate given the history of the Jewish people. Moreover, there were a lot of Jews in Russia in the early 1900s and many joined the Soviets and participated in the atrocities that they committed. That too is simply a fact. You know that the term "anti-semetic" has a particularly strong meaning, and to wield it in such a reckless manner is most unfortunate.

No, you are quite wrong; it does not always work "okay one way". First of all, what anti-Christians usually do--since they have a limited knowledge of the Bible--they consult anti-Christian websites/sources that have already boiled things down for them by providing verses which if mixed and matched can, when taken out of context, be presented to suggest a whole lot of unseemly things, when nothing of the sort is really the case. But this is not the exclusive domain of the anti-Christian. Many preachers, minister, false prophets and the like, play the game, too--many people are led astray by this. These people are all over TV, but are also found in churches; especially those wacked out churches in the deep south in the Bible Belt. But that's not my experience; and in the end I always look to the NT as my guide, because that's what God intended with the Bible.

Hold on a second, here; before I even bother to respond to the rest of your diatribe, please explain to me exactly how am I being "anti-semitic"?

Revelation 20:10 Revelation 20:15

I'm not sure just where things are getting "desperate" on my side of the argument. When I (try) to read shavluk's posts, his ramblings about druggies being victims, how all illegal drugs should be made legal so it would reduce the populations of prisons, that's where I see desperation. He makes any argument he can possibly think of no matter how tenuous or bankrupt in an effort to further his cause, to make his addictions and degraded habits legal. These drugs kill, whether legal or illegal. If they were to become legal, then their usage would become much more widespread; more lives would be lost, more live would be ruined. Society would suffer. The fact that someone would kill over drugs is no reason why certain drugs should be legalized; it underscores the fact that they need to be kept illegal; if not, then we have umpteen times more people like him deranged and desperate to feed their addictions.

We're talking about a dead pope, not God.

Yeah, it was complete gibberish.

Provided that the photo is authentic, it seems quite interesting that John Paul II would reveal himself through fire. People seem to be twisting this into something positive; but really, doesn't it seem more likely that if he was sending a sign this way, it would indicate that he was really burning in hell? Warning people that Catholicism is wrong? http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_7218045

People sin on their own accord.

This is complete gibberish.

"51Und es war ein Jüngling, der folgte ihm nach, der war mit Leinwand bekleidet auf der bloßen Haut; und die Jünglinge griffen ihn. 52Er aber ließ die Leinwand fahren und floh bloß von ihnen." Where is it, I don't see it?

Yes, they were. Spare me. The Nazis were not Christian--whether they claimed to be or not. If you look at the ideological roots of Nazism--Social Darwinism, Nietzschian philosophy ("God is Dead"), etc.--there's no way that they were Christians.

No. That's why God sent Jesus.