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Again, I think you are conveniently reading into this visit whatever makes Trudeau look bad. Why should Trudeau not go to a Mosque like this? Should he pretend they don't exist? Or should he go in with his mouth a blazing about it being "deplorable?" Or should he go in as he did - bringing strong women at his side while also carefully respecting religious freedom? If your goal is to celebrate similar values I know which option I would pick.

No, I think uterine cancer would make more sense. Or perhaps testicular? Yes, that is my final answer!

For the one person following this thread who may be interested in facts rather than endless speculation, here is the letter from Hillary's doctor: https://m.hrc.onl/secretary/10-documents/05-physician-letter/HRC_physician_letter.pdf

Oh, you don't beat around the bush. You get right to the point.

Well, since you have told us what this topic is not about, how about you add something positive and tell us what it IS about. In your own words....

Actually, I clearly have referred to the "brown man" as crazy in this thread. I think anyone reading my posts would also agree that, within context, I think anyone with anti-semitic ideas is a bigot. So, no, I have no problem criticizing a "brown man."

How would you know how I feel? I am not talking about the "brown man" because I do not think he is all that relevant here. Yes, I know he holds repugnant ideas - ideas that I disagree with and I am sure Trudeau disagrees with too. Which I have already stated many times in this very thread. But Trudeau was not stating that Canadians share every value with every single person in that Mosque. Nor was he saying that Canadians share every value with only the leadership of that Mosque. He was saying that Canadians and Muslims share many values etc etc I have already linked to the official statement that spells it out in detail. This thread is about Trudeau and certain people like you and DOP who think that because he happens to state a few words to build bridges with this community and because he is in the same space and breaths the same air as people who hold some bad ideas that this somehow means that Trudeau believes those same ideas and is somehow celebrating them. He doesn't. He ain't. Stick to the statement where Trudeau states: It is on days like today that we are reminded of the values that bring all Canadians together – those of peace, empathy, family, and friendship. I think many Muslims value peace, empathy, family and friendship. Other Canadians also value those too. How is this statement controversial?

I have not excused his antisemitism at all. Actually, I don't think I have talked about that because this thread is about Trudeau and how he is somehow supposed to be some kind of pro-Muslim (but the crazy orthodox kind not the moderate kind) who despises Jews. Put up the evidence such as direct actions and words and perhaps my mind can be changed. All I see is a politician doing the usual "building bridges" type of thing. I'm sure he also does that with Jews too. Well, when he is not trying to gas them.... maybe that's Trudeau's ploy! He is trying to lull Jews into a trap! We need Admiral Ackbar to sound the warning! Wait a minute - "Ackbar?" Sounds like "Akbar" to me. As in "Allahu Akbar." It is a trap! --- For the record - that "Wait a minute" part is to be read with a Homer Simpson like voice.

So now you are going back to 2015? You think that Trudeau supports antisemitism based on his support of RIS? Really? You have anything ... tangible to support this view? And by this I don't mean Trudeau breathing the same air as people who hold repugnant views. I mean direct statements from him indicating he is antisemitic.

Also, to be fair, given our history one could argue that genocide is a Canadian value but that is a topic for another thread.

To be fair, I suppose Trudeau may have muttered that under his breath and it never made the official statement release.

According to the statement on the pm.gc.ca website he says this: So, forgive me for missing the part where he said that "Canadians want to kill the Jews, oh, yes, we really do want them dead, pronto!" [For some reason I hear a John Oliver British accent when I read this quote]

Was he present at that sermon? And you take him literally? Really?

If anything look at the attention this is raising. Maybe Trudeau is trickier than we give him credit for. After all, even the British (all of THE BRITISH!) are talking about him.

It is your insinuations which are opinion rather than fact. Sure, they are based on facts but it is clearly hyperbole to go on and on about Trudeau being some kind of misogynist because he visited a Mosque that segregates. When Trudeau segregates his cabinet and brings in a new doorway for female MP's to enter the House and brings in anti-abortion legislation then I will believe he has gone over to the religious nut side. Until then, not buying it. A visit does not condone anything.

Oh dear, now you've done it. They are going to call Trudeau a pedophile now!

Well, I am against those ideas. So what now? Do I need to go there and try and burn it to the ground?

I do oppose it. Trudeau can do what he says was his purpose: to speak to Canadians wherever they are. Even Muslims know Trudeau supports women and LGBT etc etc. Sometimes in life, especially in politics, you cannot always go in with guns blazing.... Sometimes you can make a point in a subtler manner.

She speaks of a recent survey (I am guessing - there is no "" marks around that part so who really knows where the numbers come from). A survey not linked to in the cite but we are expected to take either her word for it or the reporters word for it.

At this point I think I would like to see a complete video and read a complete transcript of what transpired before going further. There is too much opinion and too little fact (from all of us).

I suppose if I go to the Mosque and yell: "your ideas are deplorable, your ideas are deplorable" then they will come around to my point of view.

No I have clearly stated I disagree with it. I have also clearly stated that our Constitution has problems to sort out with respect to such matters of religious freedom and bigotry.

No, a real study showing real data - not a claim based on someone's memory of what she thought it was like ten years ago.

Then you are not reading what others are saying in this very thread. And I am saying that there is a point being made by a PM who attends a Mosque with women he considers to be his equals (or near equals since he is "Prime" after all). That point may be too subtle for some but it likely was not very subtle among the Muslim women present.

As far as tactics go, no, I do not think it is a good idea to charge into Mosques and tell Muslims they are being stupid and we are going to show them the way by forcing them to desegregate. Someday, as more people realize the stupidity of religious freedom - something I have raised in threads elsewhere in this forum- there will be a change. My preference is to build bridges, open dialogue, show them how we do it in Canada by having women stand with the PM during the visit for all to see how we do things differently. Let the change come by a slow death on the vine rather than through a quick razing.