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One again, I have to ask. How many actual acts of terrorism have been perpretrated in North America as a result of terrorists who had set up shop in Canada? Give me a number from 0 to zero. The most recent lot, who were planning to blow up the CN Tower, were turned in to CSIS by the Moslem community.

We? Who we? Has parliament declared war on Aghanistan? Has Parliament declared war on anybody? It's not as simple here as it is in the US, where damned near anybody can declare war, it seems, on nobody. Hence we have the "War on Terror". A war not on a country, nor even an identifiable group, but a military tactic.

Well it might be if anyone had ever proven that Iran actually was developing a nuclear weapon. Any takers? Maybe Homer Simpson can chime in here. In any case, charity begins at home. Anybody who wants nuclear weapons in the Middle East is probably taking its lead from Israel. Take away Israel's nuclear weapons and then come and preach about non-proliferation.

Would somebody please post the exact words that Bush said? Thanks.

Oh I know. I know. I am with Agaric. Terrorism from abroad (as opposed to terrorism from within - murder, mayhem, drunk drivers, what have you, that takes thousands and thousands of lives every year) is a response to US foreign policy. Whether or not it is deserved, is another matter. I can agree that the US should be responsible for its own security. But I sure as hell will not agree that we should. Rue, you in particular are badly mistaken about this. That is what friends do? Are we supposed to set up an entire new department of "exogration" responsibe solely for granting exit visas to the US? Get a grip. I can see it now. We will pay for it, but to be entirely satisfactory to the whatever whim wafts through the US Congress, The Executive Branch, the INS bureacracy, Dogpatch and the US Entertainment industry, it will be run by US managers. The US managers will be located on Canadian soil and will be eligible for healthcare in whatever province hs the best plan at the moment. What a great deal. Who could refuse? Sure there's a long border between our countries. There is also one hell of a lot of US coastline. And finally, this. The 9/11 terrorists were all admitted to the US by US Immigration and none of them came in from Canada. 'Nough said.

Hey, this is nothing. You would see what happened after the Americans rioted in Iraq.

Show me a credible historian who can back it up, and I might believe it. Otherwise, it's just internet gossip as far as I'm concerned. Look at the web sites Rue is quoting. You lot go on about the supposed ravings of radical Moslems and yet you reproduce as gospel the ravings of people who are the equivalent on the other side. Do some real research for crying out loud. "Who cares who says it." Good grief. You might also note that, while the individuals (and their descendeants) who bear the largest responsibility for the Holocaust still have their homes and property, the Palestinians, whose leaders may have once expressed an affiliation for the Nazis, and did not participate directly in the Holocaust, do not. This is just more of the game of "Blame the victim" that Israel and its supporters are so adept at playing.

Sort of reminds you of the IDF, doesn't it? And that grammar! Good grief.

Well, what the hell. Why not start with Israel? Bring in 3,000,000 Arabs. All they'd have to do in annex the West Bank. Oh wait.... Jeez. That damned democracy! If you think Rue's post are well researched, you've got a lot to learn. Oh wait. Let me translate for you. If'n you thank Ruz thangs is well resurched, you be needin some book larnin. Welcome to the third world nation of Appalachia, hounddoggie.

I put up in green the byline or name of the organization responsible for the quotes Rue has posted. My favourite has to be Welcome to the third-world nation of Appalachia. So Rue. Any established and credible scholars of history in that bunch? I mean, aside from the National Pist.

The common Jewish-Anglo-Bolshevik enemy. Good lord. A political speech. Now that's what I call evidence. And what, pray tell, did the Nazis actually do for the Moslems? Enquiring minds want to know. What role did they play in Palestine? What role did Moslems actually play in the Holocaust? Say, as opposed to the role played by the French, Dutch, Swiss..... ? You can prattle on about words, but what actually happened? I personally am all agog at your erudition.

Don Newman, in his CBC political affairs program, interviewed the Environics guy who ran the poll in Afghanistan (missed his name, but he was clearly Middle Eastern in origin). He said that, in spite of all the dying our troops have been doing in Kandahar, the people of Kandahar give all the credit for fighting the Taliban to the Americans. Reminiscent of a John Wayne movie about WWII (Wayne never fought in WWII but was real good at looking like a hero). This puts me in mind of a Vietnam War era song by a group called Country Joe and the Fish, which went soemthing like this: "And it's one, two three, whatta we fightin' for? Don't ask me I don't give a damn. Next stop is..." ... Afghanistan. Funny how it even rhymes with Vietnam. The majority of Afghanis want the foreign troops to stay "as long as it takes". Only 1% of Afghanis give any credit to the US for reconstruction in Afghanistan The majority of Afghanis think that Karzai should open up negotiations with the Taliban.

What a sad idea. I like Trudeau as much as the next guy, but there were other PMs who had flashes of brilliance just as he did and faults, just as he did. In Trudeau's case, it was rather weak acquaintanceship with the principles of modern economics - not completely compensated for by his abilities with the canoe. I like Dalton McGuinty's idea for a February holiday: Family day.

Don Newman of the CBC just had Henry Champ, the CBC's Chief US Political reporter on and Champ thinks it will be Clinton verus Giuliani. The interesting thing about Giuliani, according to Champ, is that he has abandonned the religious fundamentalist right wing that Bush drew so much support on and yet is winning strong support from Republicans country-wide. Might be an interesting race. I don't know about anybody else but these gender-related comments about Clinton are getting pretty old.

Thank you Luke Skywalker. If you are crediting the Grand Mufti for the attitudes that the Palestinians hold now, you are either more pathetically misinformed than I orginally thought, or this is just another sleight of hand that makes it possible for you to rationalize that the Palestinians are not ticked off about what has been done to them. This is a population of simple shepherds, farmers and small businessmen who have been turned into a class of pre-Magna Carta medieval serfs, with no property rights, no citizenship rights, no right to free speech, movement or assembly, in short no human rights at all. And you blame it all on the Grand Mufti.

I love it.

The emphasis is mine, but I thought it was funny.

This debate about the Grand Mufti and his Nazi sympathies is a howl. How many divisions did the Nazis send to Palestine? You can see how important it was to them and how big a role the Grand Mufti played. He probably would have thrown his lot in with Santa Claus if he thought it would help the cause of the Palestinian Arabs against what he saw coming like a freight train thanks to the British, who Rue so loves to malign in spite of what they did for Israel. Rue, you should be falling down on your knees and kissing the Union Jack. Joseph Kennedy Sr. was sympathetic to the Nazis, yet his son became president and his family founded an American political dynasty. IBM and Coca Cola did business with the Nazis (look up the origin of 'Fanta'); hasn't hurt them. As for DogOnPorch's usual drool, read Tony Judt's "Postwar: A History of Europe Since 1945" if you want to know how long it took for Europe to come to terms with its complicity in the Holocaust. It wasn't just a matter of shaving the heads of a few collaborators. You are badly misinformed on the subject.

You'll note that Rue never cites a source.

So nationalization. Shall we put you in the "supports nationalization" column then, ScottSA?

So it's OK to attack a foreign sovereign nation just to test their weapons systems or a flight path? Welcome to the planet Uranus, everybody! Rue, you need help.

I agree. In fact, I think everybody is at fault. Hence my signature. "It's not us OR them. It's us AND them!"

Rue, drive to any Synagogue in Toronto. What do you find in front? Now drive to any Mosque. Do you find the same thing?

What are you? The Syrian opposition leader? So now it's the Syrian people you're thinking about? You don't think Israel could be a better state but for all the money they spend on weapons prgrams? What do you think the nuclear program alone costs them?

And Arab states had plenty of trouble with Israel.