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24 minutes ago, User said:
Odd, I can see a whole lot more typing out than "nuh uh" going on from me here.
The sentiment is the same.
QuoteNice strawman. I never said anything about every single house being destroyed and every single person expelled. It is you who seems to think that any amount of people harmed = ethnic cleansing, which is absurd.
Yes you did lol.
QuoteNot exactly. The issue is limited to a particular area of the West Bank where Israel doesn't allow for any new land to be built on in that particular area without permission. I am not aware of any blanket prohibition in all of the West Bank... that is absurd on its face. If that were the case, there would literally be nothing new built anywhere for the last almost 50 years. The settlements destroyed are those built illegally in this particular area without permission.
As with the policy of kicking Palestinians off their land, there's no explicit de jure prohibition, but permits are prohibitively expensive and seldom granted even if someone can afford them.
QuoteGuess what? Israel also demolishes Israeli structures that are built illegally in this area as well, and a whole lot of Palestinian structures are not torn down that were built illegally.
Cite?
QuoteI think there are some 3 million Palestinians in the West Bank and the settler violence we are talking about around 1,000 various incidents of violence a year, stuff like an Isreali settler killed a cow included in that number. So no, there is no systemic large scale violence against all of the Palestinian people in the West Bank. We are talking about the isolated incidents between where Isrealis and Palestinians live near each other and that violence is not all one sided either.
1000 incidents a year is like three per day, that's not systemic? Come the hell on.
QuoteYes, just as the numbers of Palestinians increase as well. That is usually what happens when people have families and populations naturally grow... That is not ethnic cleansing.
Again: ethnic cleansing has nothing to do with the size of a given population and everything to do with where they are.
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1 hour ago, User said:
Amazing you typed this out, and you don't see the irony.
There's nothing ironic here. I've given you a definition of ethnic cleansing, shown evidence of what's going on and explained how the latter fits the former and you're response has been "nuh uh."
QuoteThe Nazis were literally rounding them up to try to kill them all or as many as they could. Every Jew was systematically hunted down and shipped off somewhere to die or be killed outright.
Yes but if it's not ethnic cleansing unless every single house is destroyed and every single person expelled, then it's not genocide if anyone is left alive. Sorry, but those are your rules.
QuoteIsrael has not killed millions of Palestinians nor are they trying to. Israel is not rounding up Palesitnians for death. Which is why I continually point out the absurdity of your claim here, since the Palestinian population is increasing, they were given Gaza to do as they please with, they have some authority over themselves in the West Bank and ability to expand and grow there as well.
Except they don't. Israel won't let them build and is destroying existing settlements. Do you need someone to do the math for you? Also, I've already explained why "population go up" is a retarded gauge when the point of ethnic cleansing is about removing people from a territory regardless of their numbers.
QuoteNo one is systematically taking their land and cleansing them from it.
You're just in denial.
QuoteThis is and has been my point, that you would sit here comparing it to what happened with Jews under Hitler shows how outrageously absurd your position is.
I didn't compare what's happening to the Palestinians to what the Nazis did to the Jews and the fact you think that's what I was doing just shows how bad your reading comprehension and logic skills are.
QuoteMore insults doesn't make your argument any better. Of course the violence is isolated... otherwise it would be impacting vastly more people.
I don't think you know what "isolated" means. These aren't discreet incidents, they are part of a broader systemic campaign.
QuoteYou are taking settler disputes between Israelis and Palestinians and blowing them up to more than it is. Nothing you have provided shows that Palestinians would be "ethnically cleansed" in the next 10,000 years at whatever pace Israel expands Settlements.
Bullshit. There were less than 100,000 settlers in the early '90s, there's more than a half a million now and their numbers continue to increase. Again, do the math.
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7 minutes ago, User said:
To be fair here, I don't have much faith in your honesty here either, as you continually insist that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing as you are... so, instead of just calling you a troll or dumb, I keep picking apart your responses.
To be fair here your counter arguments are basically "nuh uh."
QuoteWhat goalposts did I move?
You said this as though such a claim was made or as if that was a requirement for ethnic cleansing.
QuoteIsrael destroyed literally every home in the West Bank and is trying to?! OMG!
This is akin to arguing that the holocaust wasn't genocide since the Nazis didn't kill every single Jew.
QuoteYou are the one claiming this is ethnic cleansing, but keep pointing to such issues as settlement disputes, temporary displacements during wartime, and other such longstanding isolated violence that goes on between both Palestinians and Israelis.
Pointing out that these incidents are not ethnic cleansing is not me moving the goalpost; it is me pointing out you are nowhere near the goalpost you set.
There are no "temporary displacements" numbnuts, nor is the violence "isolated". There's a sustained and well-documented campaign to remove Palestinians from their land by force and you're response is to simply pretend it's not happening. You're beyond reach or reason.
QuoteNot wanting a Palestinian state is still just political squabbling, as most of the Palestinians don't want an Israel or the Jews there to exist at all... hence why they are where they are today, all their failed wars and violence.
You didn't read the interview I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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8 minutes ago, User said:
LOL, you are not insulting me, you are just calling me a troll or stupid! Oh... and then in the same response you literally insult me again:
Then stop trolling or being dumb, IDK what to tell you.
QuoteIsrael destroyed literally every home in the West Bank and is trying to?! OMG!
No, they did not. Your accusation is "ethnic cleansing" not that Israel is big meanie that destroyed some homes.
Lol look at you move the goalposts, you're really on your heels here.
The displacement of the Palestinian population in the west bank and the destruction of their homes, farms, and other property is part of Israel's unofficial but obvious policy of ethnically cleansing the territory to make way for new Jewish settlements. This is stated goal of the settler movement, as articulated by its leadership.
QuoteIn Israel, there’s a lot of support for settlements, and this is why there have been right-wing governments for so many years. The world, especially the United States, thinks there is an option for a Palestinian state, and, if we continue to build communities, then we block the option for a Palestinian state. We want to close the option for a Palestinian state, and the world wants to leave the option open. It’s a very simple thing to understand.
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17 hours ago, Army Guy said:
You're the one that put it into a post, is their an government official policy we can look at, or where do we look to verify your source...other than some settlers taking land and homes on their own accord...
Again, why are you looking for a specific policy when you can see the actual policy in action? There's plenty of documentation of settlers attacking Palestinians and destroying their property while Israeli troops stand and watch.
QuoteSome smarter people than me and you have determined, that Israel is not a colonizer....there are many lengthy articles with in this source that have determined Israel is not a product of colonialism...Hard to be a colonizer when your people have been there thousands of years, and in most cases pre dating palestinians....
The state of Israel was literally created by foreign powers by fiat, how is that not colonization?
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17 hours ago, User said:
Insulting me is not an argument.
I'm not insulting you, i'm asking you if you're trolling or actually very stupid because there's no third option that I can see here.
QuoteThe point here, again, is that there is not any Israel-directed policy to wipe out Palestinians from the West Bank. You point to an example of temporary displacement of a handful of communities during a war.
"Self-evacuate," "temporary displacement" man I don't love anything as much as you love your obfuscating euphemisms.
QuoteGuess what? Israel has had to temporarily displace many thousands of its people along the border with Gaza and Lebanon because of their hostile actions too. So, I guess Gaza and Lebanon are also engaged in ethnic cleansing of their own...
you are very dumb!
Quote“Settlers and soldiers have displaced entire Palestinian communities, destroying every home, with the apparent backing of higher Israeli authorities”
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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:
Excuse me? My wife has nothing to do with this. But hey...Libbies will be Libbies.
What is it with you nerds? Do you not even possess a modicum of respect and honor? That's a rhetorical question BTW.
This is a big reason why your "progressivism" is doomed. Most of you are not only lyin' sacks of chicken sh1t...
But you display the dignity of a worm.
Lol you of all people crying about "respect," go **** yourself you old twat.
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1 hour ago, User said:
Do you even bother to read this first?
This is talking about illegal Palestinian settlements that were built without permits that self evacuated due to violence and the IDF has ordered temporary exclusions on them to avoid further violence.
This is not ethnic cleansing.No person could write this combination of words without being a troll or absolutely clueless so which one are you?
As for the "permits" excuse, did you miss the part where Israel won't give Palestinian communities permits to build? I wonder why that is?
1 hour ago, Army Guy said:I don't suppose you have a source or the policy that states this is by design by the Israelis government or is this here say ?
You could just look at their actions.
QuoteYour talking about issues in the west bank, which is not related to Hamas in Gaza at all, two different governments.
One colonizer tho.
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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:
Sounds like they showed up to counter protest and the other side was hot to trot to fight: And they fought with police too.
LOL they showed up to fight you dumb-dumb.
QuoteBut heck - if you thought you were right you woudkln't be getting angry already
Oh oh here come the boomer emojis! brace yourself for some of the dumbest garbage you'll ever read!
Quotehttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/violence-erupts-at-some-pro-palestinian-campus-protests/
I'ts no surprise you lefties try to paint them as innocent victims when they were every bit as much at fault
For defending themselves from a violent mob taht showed up to start s**t?
QuoteMeanwhile The protesters are also causing damages as i noted, And taking over buildings.
https://www.koat.com/article/unm-cleans-up-damages-pro-palestinian-protest-on-campus/60664018
Oh no sounds like the bill might run into the hundreds.
QuoteAnd even BIDEN says they're not 'peaceful'. .
I thought you guys said he was a senile incompetent who doesn't have a clue what's going on?
QuoteWhy heck - if they were RIGHT wing protests YOU"D be calling it an insurrection
Nah I reserve that term for attempts to disrupt or overthrow a government like Jan. 6.
5 minutes ago, User said:So, you are basically proving the earlier point here. That folks like you on the left cheer on the lawlessness when it suits you.
No pointing out you're fabricating things and your desire for the protesters get railroaded with B.S. charges proves my point.
7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:"It's the laaawww!"
Lol...
It's over for you get your fat sow wife to put the pillow over your face already.
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1 hour ago, User said:
Trespassing, refusing lawful orders from police officers, obstruction, assault, battery, destruction of property, vandalism... appears there are some conspiracy-related charges as well.
You know this, though. So why are you acting like you don't?
Lol you might get trespassing or resisting arrest, but good luck getting anything else to stick. All this bullcrap about assault and destruction of property is pure fabrication by bootlickers to justify the use of excessive force by the hogs.
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50 minutes ago, Nationalist said:
Racist mobs?
Peaceful protestors?
More like the law and professional sh1t disturbers...brought to you by you favorite funder of anything socially destructive...George Soros.
Well...now a bunch of George's employees are in a city bucket.
Why? Break and enter...Destruction of public property...assault...kidnapping...I'm sure there's a lot more.
It's the law! Remember the law? You Libbies been warping it and weaponizing it for years now.
So enjoy...your law.
Are you having a stroke here, old man? Hope so.
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1 hour ago, User said:
So... there is no ethnic cleansing then, since Israeli settlements are not part of any policy designed to remove by violence or terror a civilian population.
Palestinians are still living in the West Bank, living life, and growing.
No they are getting kicked out of their homes and off their lands.
West Bank: Israel Responsible for Rising Settler Violence
Entire Palestinian Communities Displaced Months After AttacksQuoteThe Israeli military either took part in or did not protect Palestinians from violent settler attacks in the West Bank that have displaced people from 20 communities and have entirely uprooted at least 7 communities since October 7, 2023, Human Rights Watch said today.
Israeli settlers have assaulted, tortured, and committed sexual violence against Palestinians, stolen their belongings and livestock, threatened to kill them if they did not leave permanently, and destroyed their homes and schools under the cover of the ongoing hostilities in Gaza. Many Palestinians, including entire communities, have fled their homes and lands. The military has not assured displaced residents that it will protect their security or allow them to return, forcing them to live in precarious conditions elsewhere.
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19 hours ago, User said:
If we go with your definition, it is "ethnic cleansing" if Israel evicts one Palestinian from their home for any reason.
No, no it's not.
“… a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”
Quotemention the amount, because with what Israel is doing, there is no real path to ever achieving any kind of you know... "ethnic cleansing"
So, if that outcome is not going to happen... how is it that you claim that is what is being done?
Listen to yourself, you claim that it doesn't matter if the population is not reduced... so then how is it ethnic cleansing if nothing is being cleansed?
Are you genuinely so stupid that you don't understand that removing expelling a group from a territory is ethnic cleansing even if not a single member of that group is killed?
QuoteYou are the one ignoring the complexity behind the fact that Palestinians lost a war, and Israel's ongoing Settlement policies, which started with a concern with Security... you know, because the Palestinians and others keep trying to kill them.
Israel's settlement policies are based on Israel's desire to occupy the land currently occupied by Palestinians. Listen to what the people who are actually settling there have to say, they'll tell you it has nothing to do with security and everything to do with their crackpot belief that they are the rightful owner o f that land.
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14 hours ago, CdnFox said:
Students violently beating other people and destroying property = mostly peaceful protest
Police enforcing the laws and arresting people engaged in illegal activity after warning = state violence.
The left's capacity for self delusion and rewriting facts into 'goodspeak' is simply incredible.
You really are the dumbest person i've ever encountered..
QuoteLate Tuesday night, a large group of people attacked the anti-war encampment on the Westwood campus. They weren’t campus authorities acting on the university’s order that the camp was “unlawful,” but rather people who disagreed with the pro-Palestinian protesters and decided to clear the camp themselves. It turned ugly quickly.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-05-01/editorial-violence-at-ucla-is-unacceptable
19 hours ago, User said:What about it?
Baseless charges? Did they have any charges at all?
Remember, this was you trying to be cute throwing it in my face that I was wrong on them having no charges... and you were wrong. So, tell me, what charges do you think they should face then? Do you agree they should face charges?
What crimes did they commit?
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2 hours ago, Nationalist said:
Yes just imagine.
Hey who's seen what went on at UCLA last night.
Imagine that...
Yes we know fascist mobs attacking peaceful protesters is exactly the kind of thing that gets your little pecker moving.
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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:
So you're finally admitting that you're in favour of muslims ethnically cleansing that entire region. Thanks.
LMAO you're a f*ckin' Grade A dunce.
QuoteI never said that you were trying to convince people of your stupidity and ignorance, not even AOC does that. I just informed you that that's what you were doing.
Now that you've admitted to be in favour of ethnic cleansing, no one has to doubt anything that I said about you.
What is it with you dummies on here that you have to invent so many sad strawman arguments. Is it lead poisoning? It's probably the lead poisoning.
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47 minutes ago, User said:
Yes, I can read. This was you making a baseless assertion about it being their "central pillar" and no further explanation for how this thread is proof of state violence support. Remember, I already pointed out the stupidity of what you were doing here:
"Enforcing laws != "State Violence" otherwise the term is near meaningless as the enforcement of laws always requires violence to those who resist."
Read the thread title ya dingus.
QuoteOh, Oops indeed:
""At this time we anticipate having to send the case back to the CHP for continued investigation," Jenkins explained."
Golden Gate Bridge protesters released after SF DA Jenkins asks for more conspiracy evidence
I am not holding my breath waiting to see if she follows through or not.... likely wait for this die off in the media cycle or succumb to the pressure of the radical left who is demanding she doesn't press charges.
Oh, speaking of the left-wing and supporting my position, here you go:
You being upset they aren't cooking up some baseless charges for these protesters is another data point in favour of my thesis.
QuoteI was not equating them, I was comparing who might be doing the same thing. Speaking of asking if you can read, here you go again:
"Yet, we all know if it were the Proud Boys camping out in the middle of a campus shutting things down and harassing black students, folks on the left would be screaming bloody murder, mobilizing the National Guard to beat them with rifles and drag them all away coming up with every charge in the book they could throw at them and then some. (See January 6th, See Targetting of Pro-Life demonstrators)"
I clearly was pointing out the comparison to if the Proud Boys were doing the same thing as these Pro-Hamas protestors were doing...
Except the Gaza protesters aren't doing the things you say they are and the Proud Boys' record shows that peaceful protest is not their MO so your hypothetical isn't grounded in reality.
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4 minutes ago, User said:
And yet you did not offer anything substantive to support your original worthless assertion either...
Can you not read?
4 hours ago, Black Dog said:Thread is yet another proof that right wingers not only love state violence, it is the central pillar of their ideology.
QuoteBut, since you asked, lets take a look at these campus protests in support of Hamas or otherwise blocking the roads. You find that in the more liberal Democrat run places they are hesitant to arrest and even when they do, likely not to even bother with pressing charges after. (See San Francisco Bridge)
Oops.
QuoteThe people arrested on the Golden Gate Bridge will be charged by the San Francisco District Attorney's Office.
Along with the conspiracy charge, they're also facing other charges ranging from vehicle code violations to false imprisonment for drivers who were trapped on the bridge for the duration of the demonstration.
QuoteYet, we all know if it were the Proud Boys camping out in the middle of a campus shutting things down and harassing black students, folks on the left would be screaming bloody murder, mobilizing the National Guard to beat them with rifles and drag them all away coming up with every charge in the book they could throw at them and then some. (See January 6th, See Targetting of Pro-Life demonstrators)
Imagine equating non-violent protestors exercising their First Amendment rights with a violent street gang like the Proud Boys. You really don't have a clue.
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4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:
Then by your definition muslims were ethnically cleansing the ME for centuries. Both slowly and en masse.
Sure, so what?
QuoteAgain, you're doing nothing here but displaying your own ignorance of the distant and recent history of the ME in general, and the relative evil of the Israeli's/islamic motives in that region.
I get that you really want your opinion to be heard here, but you're not making people believe in islamic kumbaya. All you're doing is drawing attention to your own stupidity.
I'm not trying to convince anyone, least of all retarded boomers like you whose greatest contribution to the world will be leaving it.
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11 minutes ago, ironstone said:
What starvation? If all the aid isn't getting through, it is 100% the fault of Hamas. Hamas controls the amount of aid that gets to civilians. First in line for the aid are the Hamas terrorists, then eventually some of it will reach the actual civilians. All of this after Hamas takes its usual cut of course.
The IDF always gives advance warning to civilians to get out, and they will also deliver aid.
Your beloved Hamas gives no quarter.
LOL imagine posting an IDF propaganda video and thinking that has any legitimacy. Man oh man.
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31 minutes ago, ironstone said:
If they're not students, and they don't live where the protests are taking place, are you suggesting they are paying their own way to go and protest? Who pays to make up all those signs?
You think they pay for it out of their own pockets?
Who funded the Convoy protests?
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2 minutes ago, User said:
My response was no more empty than what I was responding to...
A reply even less substantial than your first. you could have replied with an actual example supporting your claim that "It is the folks on the left who want to selectively punish and target those they disagree with" instead of more trite nonsense.
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1 hour ago, User said:
Well, yeah, you were and are. Israel is not removing Palestinians en masse through terror or violence.
I note that you had to add the term "en masse" which isn't in the definition I provided. There's nothing that says ethnic cleansing must be conducted with speed or against a large group at once versus slowly and piecemeal.
QuotePalestinians are and have been living in the West Bank and Gaza for decades now and continue to grow. So again... maybe in 10,000 years at this pace there will be some ethnic cleansing, if a million other things all align on the way...
And there's nothing in the definition of ethnic cleansing about reducing the overall size of a given population either, but please continue to grasp at straws.
QuoteYour position is hyperbole at best, an gross exaggeration, over settlement policy, much of which started with security because again, they lost a war and Israel is not all to keen on having their borders so close again. I guess the Palestinians should have taken any number of the previous deals out there instead of insisting on little more than the destruction of Israel or a return to 1948 borders that will never happen.
Again you're doing nothing here but betraying your own ignorance of Israel's policies and motivations here.
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2 hours ago, User said:
Enforcing laws != "State Violence" otherwise the term is near meaningless as the enforcement of laws always requires violence to those who resist.
The enforcement of laws always requires violence or the threat of violence, you're so close to getting it!
QuoteIt is the folks on the left who want to selectively punish and target those they disagree with here, and ignore the folks they support when they do it.
Empty sloganeering.
QuotePerhaps your position will have more merit in another thread where folks on the right are arguing against enforcing the laws like this on folks on the right.
I'm sure it would be easy enough to find that sentiment with regards to the Convoy Kooks.
Pro-Hamas Rallies in Canada
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Area C and East Jerusalem make up ~75% of the West Bank.
Truly not a serious person if you're comparing random household accident to calculated acts of violence.
Yes who hasn't gotten into a dispute with a neighbour that ended with you stealing their house? jfc.
Boy they really stuck their neck out to take down that *checks notes* tent.
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