KrustyKidd

Israel has a five hundred billion dollar economy selling weapons, pharmaceuticals, computer gear and much more to people all over the world that hates her. I'm sure that you could, in a moment, come up with a hundred examples of countries that are against her however, would be hard placed to find articles that approve of her. It's wrong. And Palestinians with their one trick pony terrorism feed the justification of those in Israel who are wrong. I'd say thanks but I do recognize that the two are locked in a here and now with no way out other than for Israel to surviv and Palestinians to either take what is offered or perish as a nation. It's reality be it right or wrong. I doubt they would have done it considfering there has never been a strong legitimate Palestinian authority to deal with that can keep miliaent factions at bay and to refrain from committing the terrorist attacks that cause Israel grief.

I disagree. While I certainly don't believe that Obama was born anywhere else other than the US, some people do. If he would allow forensic examination of his original BC then it might stop some detractors but really, not allowing it stops none. In the end, if I were he, I wouldn't lower myself to a level that has anything to do with this unless I was forced to. But, there is the possibility that there is merit to this troofer theory nonetheless.

In fact, almost certain. However, it only adds to the strangeness and fuels suspicion when it can all be squelched by allowing a detailed forensic examination of the document.

I for one certainly believe that the family was in the US when the ad was placed. I simply say that it is quite possible for him to be born outside the US on the 4th and then, on arrival on the sixth or whatever, the mother in order to ensure her son would be given full rights as a US citizen immediately, simply worked outside the red tape and got a few dots and ts dotted crossed. The ad would be a touch of to keep it all normal.

You have not provided any facts rather simply stated what you believe. I believe that when Iraqis formed their own constitution and vote in greater numbers than any western nation they are far more freer than they were before. While not agreeing with you it seems you and Obama are at odds on this one. Strange, I never had you pegged for one who was in favor of the US remaining in Iraq with an open end for withdrawl. I am not for Bush but rather facts. Something you have yet to produce to support your contentions. No. She was only 18 and thus, could not have lived in the US for five years after the age of 14. Nope. Just saying that they are unqualified to do forensics on a fifty year old document. We know now that interrogation methods that amount to torture have been used by members of the American security agencies, and that they were approved by Bush. And at the time, were legal interrogation methods, not torture.

Bush This is the big lie?????????? Maybe he really felt it was good to be back in El Paso. In fact, I myself like El Paso so for me, it would be good to be back there again. Now pony up with some lies rather than expecting me to do your research for you.

I'm not discussing with a site rather with you so please quote the lies here. Freed fifty million people. Unless of course you are gong to revise history yourself and prove that Iraq and Afghanistan were free societies.

Quote please. One would have to be pretty stupid to believe that any leader has any interest other than his own country's at heart. No. We can start right from reality in that being born in the US and being a natural born citizen is a lot easier than having to go through red tape to get his immigration status changed after the fact in order to get benifits US citizens have over immigrents he would immediately or, need in the near future such as hospital care, schooling, welfare or whatever. I for one would never believe she had his becomming president in mind however, certainly can entertain that she was visiting Kenya and gave premature birth immediately prior to returning to the US and, wishing her son to be born on US soil, did a song and dance to have the birth registered there. Fine. Where is the origional and why has it not been submitted to a documentation examiner qualified to conduct tests to verify it's age and compare the signatures on it to those known to be of the people who signed it in other certificates? So anybody can simply say they were born there as they don't keep origional records? Very sloppy system they have going on. The state forensic historical document examiner? What was his name and what are his credientials and, what historicla documents has he authenticated in the past? By sombody who is schooled in forensics to astertain the age, type of paper and ink as well as to authenticate the 47 year old signatures? I thnk not. It got a cursory glance and a 'yep' from some official is all. I thnk that would solve the problem as the conspiracy nuts wonder why he has not done so already.l As for the HDH granting access, this is not a DUI or a slander case but is the President of the USA. To have the ducmument properly certified by historic document experts is not out of line.

They continue until they stop. Few in Israel believe that the Palestinians will ever seriously take peace in hand so, simply carry on with their reality which is that the land is theirs to use until a different reality takes place. While this certainly enrages the Palestinians, they can, at any time, take peace seriously and stop all action which would leave the onus on Israel to stop the settlements. To place the blame on Israel when there is absolutely no reward for them to stop taking land is to go against common sense. The fact that Israel, when in serious negotiations and agreements gives back lands even when settlers have to violently be evicted escapes you. My plan is only a method of keeping score once the two sides agree to serious peace. Israel and, some Palestinian leaders in the past have already done so many times before so, your statement is false and betrays your bigotry in this discussion.

Can you provide one absolute important lie he told please. Something you know that was a deliberate attempt to deceive rather than just passing on information he believed to be true which was mistaken. Also wondering how you feel about him freeing more than fifty million people not to mention the hundreds of millions of yet unborn generations. This would make him the greatest advocate of freedom the world has ever known. That surpasses Lincoln, King and all whom many revere. Possibly, you might wish to refer to him as 'Bush the Great' rather than calling him a liar? The possibility is not that far fetched. Mother gives birth in Kenya on the fourth and on arrival in the US a few days later, wishing her son to be looked upon as a natural citizen places birth announcement and walks into government office and says hospital forgot to make birth certificate or one of any number of docile paper adjustments. Of course, nobody having any inclination that someday that document may be closely scrutinized simply complies and makes it up without bothering to check further in order to help this poor woman. Mom gets the BC however, not the live BC which to my understanding is the document in contention which there seems to be no original for. I just wish Obama would clear it up to shut these troofers up. I mean, since he is a natural born US Citizen, why is he feeding this?

No. The question was asking you to prove that this was an invention by Fox News You said; What he said....... From what I understand, the roots are here; New American Tea Party

The PLO is not the present government of Palestine, Hamas is. Furthermore, Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist. You should read up on current events before castigating others.

Try reading it again as it is all there and even addresses your point about one party not allowing the other to exist. Basically, the UN takes control of the deputed land complete with those who are presently occupying it, and then, turns the entire matter into a financial issue with rewards and penalties for compliance and inadherence.

I know they talked about it however, you said; What he said...... And I asked you to prove that this is an invention or product of Fox News etc rather than the people who actually started it.

He's wrong. Then again, a lot of politicians are wrong on a lot of things including Bush and Obama. Hope that collectively they get it right once in awhile.

Recognizing that Israel, despite the 'he said she said' historical 'he persecuted she stole' crap going back thousands of years, is not going anywhere. It is here to stay and, will use it's superior military force to stop any threat to it's existance. Hence, to use force against it to attempt to sway their resolve is meaningless and, as recently observed in Gaza, has ramifications for those that do and, those who support those who do. If they have to, they will live a life of western first world peoples while Palestinians hate from behind their fourth world political and physical wall. Whether you think that is right or wrong is meaningless as that is the way it is and, will be until something changes for Israel. They will not compromise their security, that is a fact so, any solution must have that security as it's cornerstone. The following is a hard plan that I believe is doable and, has no bullshit clauses and, has prods for both sides to make their peace quickly rather than slowly. It also carries penalties for both sides if they commit unnecessary or, non defensive acts against the other. In short, it has money and land involved from day one. My plan

In order to not be labeled somebody who doesn't quite get what the movement is about, please provide the proof that Fox News and Rightwing radio Personalities began this. Then, once you have done that, please provide proof that all those who are against this movement approve of the trillion dollars that Bush left as a deficit immediately prior to leaving office. Then, you can show how all those who are against this movement approve of the bogus pork thrown into the stimulus package that congress recently passed. The movement as I see it is people who are sick and tired of government approving crap to increase their hold on power. That this seems to be right or left to you is interesting to say the least as it, to me is a common challenge to all people.

Definitely not. I view them as an underhanded way for segments of Israeli society to profit from the hatred that Palestinians refuse to diffuse in order for saner heads to prevail.

If they wished to they could. Unlike Hamas and it's predecessors who have tried but have not, through inferior power have not. And prior to that the Muslim Brotherhood, PLO etc. All have tried to kill Israelis with the stated goal of complete victory rather than co existence. It has been happening since 1948 when the Jews accepted the UN resolution and the Arab League did not. Both sides are wrong however, concentrating on one side's transgressions and convoluted reasoning while ignoring the others insane conviction that the only solution is the death of all the others is not worthy of any discussion above a Peanuts comic strip. Once you acknowledge that you have no dog in the race and that both sides are fucked up can you be free of your bias.

I've followed this contention since the democratic primaries when he first entered the race against Hillary and, if I recall, the original request for his BC was made by a lawyer who is a democrat. This is not a new request as no impartial and qualified document examiners have been allowed access to his BC. Remember of course that this document would be 47 years old and, dating and familiarity with ink and paper used at that time would be necessary. A quick perusal from an official is not proof of anything. Myself, I believe he was born in the US however, the stalling, obfuscation and reluctance to pony up with the original rather than a photo copy on a website is somewhat suspect and does nothing to squelch the suspicious and, even leaves a lingering of doubt in the minds of those such as myself.

The point that shows that Israel is perfectly capable of destroying every Palestinian yet does not? Or is it the point that Israel is powerful enough to stop Hamas from killing every Israeli in their official mission to eradicate the Zionist Entity? Being an underdog does not by any means carry righteousness with it, nor does being powerful. When you start treating each state as an equal in your discussions, then it will be worth discussing this matter with you.

Hamas charter states that negotiations will not happen. Peace may only be achieved through Jihad. Duh Hama kills people as a matter of policy to acheive their goals, Israel, while certainly taking adv antage of the animalistic policies of the refusal to negotiate by Hamas and other organizations similar to them, does not.

I disagree. He has certainly made moves to the left but no disaster yet. Who knows, possibly this all may turn out for the better. A side note though, if it does become a disaster such as a tanking economy or a nuclear attack in a city then there will be a right wing backlash and all he has, and is trying to accomplish will be washed away in a moment.

The world has allowed them to decide for themselves and, recognizes the government of Palestine as a terrorist entity. Hence the loss of support from the international community.

I like #3. It is so self sustaining in that all the conspirators would have gotten instructions from Dr Evil to wait there until given further orders thus tying it al up into one neat bundle. Then, the last lone guy (Dr Evil) shoots himself.