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This link shows it is VERY MUCH alive in our House of Representatives:

In a related article:

I don't know that the U.S. would allow it. I haven't heard of any high level talks on one currency. here is the link: http://www.rense.com/general71/dfoll.htm here is the link to his "website" http://www.american.edu/ia/staff/rpastor.html

I agree with everything you said, but I don't think you are going to have a choice in the matter...

I think your are missing the bigger picture. High paying, high skilled jobs in North America are under threat from places like India and China because equally skilled people there can afford to work for a fraction of the salary. They can afford to work cheap because their societies have a massive pool of cheap labour which keeps their cost of living down. In the short term the US may be able to keep its wage rates for low skilled work higher by limiting Mexican immigration, however, doing that would cause more high skilled jobs to goto places like India. For that reason, cheap labour from Mexico is essential to the future competitiveness of North America on the world stage.Unfortunately, allowing a large pool of cheap labour comes with all kinds of social problems that makes the socialist in me cringe in horror. Unfortunately, the capitalist in me tells me that there is no other alternative. Wow, you certainly paint a bleak picture, considering that I consider myself to be middle class (getting "lower" middle class every day) here in the US. Here is a thought, open for discussion. I have been hearing on the internet that if the Senate "amnesty" (which Bush and his cronies are trying to pass off as "comprehensive immigration reform"), that the amount of work visas which are currently limited to a certain amount (sorry, I don't know the exact figure) annually will have their limits taken off and the way would be wide open for not only "cheap, low skilled labor", but for professional jobs as well. I can somewhat "verify" this fact in that I received a "form letter" regarding immigration from one of my Senators which stated, "Likewise, the worker shortage has an impact on our nation's health care system. The health care industry, especially in rural areas, reports high vacancy rates and more difficulty in recruiting workers for positions ranging from housekeeping and maintenance to nursing assistants, registered nurses, and trained physicians." Now, tell me how, as a 53 year old woman with a 19 year old daughter in college who is studying to be a nurse, how am I not to worry for her future when this would be allowed to happen? If I were a nurse, working in India, or any other country, for around say, $7.00 / hr, why wouldn't I come to the US to make say, $12.00 which would definitely undercut the pay of an American nurse? THIS is the basis for my frustration with globalization. My life is almost over, but I am truly worried about the future of my child and any children she may have. (Let me add here, too, that another source of frustration is my daughter is working 2 jobs, plus babysitting when she can, going to school full time and was unable to obtain any financial aid other than "student loans"...which my elected officals deemed fit to raise the interest on, substantally. But ILLEGAL immigrants in my country can get FREE COLLEGE TUITION! Do you understand why I am so frustrated?) Thanks for letting me ramble. I am not an educated person...don't have a college degree...and I really do appreciate any insights as to any GOOD news that can come out of the loss of borders between your country and mine...and Mexico. Right now, I TRULY understand the "why fors" as far as us being able to compete with other bigger conglomerates of countries. But I TRULY can't see it as a good thing for us as individuals. Thanks again, for allowing me to be part of your forum!!

Thank you! I wonder what you think about this: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...605240307/1008 Do you see this as a bad thing? A lot of people on several US forums see this as an outrage. It may seem like a small thing, but several small things can add up to big ones. A penny is not worth much, but 100 pennies does turn into one dollar (which isn't worth too much, either, come to think of it... ) Or what about this one: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16283 If I may, here is a quote taken from a forum regarding this article, written by Steve Osborn. I agree with it.

I beg to differ. I believe the US IS setting up to replace the dollar. Isn't it true that the oil countries are wanting to be paid in Euros as of late? I am pretty sure I read that somewhere, that that is the growing trend. I keep reading how it will be a Canadian, US merger. What about Mexico? Don't forget about them. The US CAN'T forget about them. As I posted elsewhere, there are too many cultural, standard of living and linguistic differences to support a viable common currency and economic policy. Translated, that means that there is no way the relatively affluent American and Canadian taxpayers will bring Mexicans up to our standard of living without the Mexicans producing themselves. But weren't there vast cultural and linguistic differences in the countries which now form the EU? This is how I see it...the "powers that be" (in all 3 NAU countries) have already put plans in place for this to occur. As far as "bringing Mexicans up to our standard of living", I'm afraid you haven't thought of the alternative...to bring the middle class of the US and Canada down to the standard of a third world country. Please don't dismiss me as some raving lunatic. This is what is already happening in the US. Parts of California are already indistingushable from parts of Mexico...crime, gangs, "ghetto type" living in what used to be affluent middle class neighborhoods. Please read this article from the LOS ANGELES TIMES http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/l...3638,full.story Here is a quote from that story:

I beg to differ. I believe the US IS setting up to replace the dollar. Isn't it true that the oil countries are wanting to be paid in Euros as of late? I am pretty sure I read that somewhere, that that is the growing trend. I keep reading how it will be a Canadian, US merger. What about Mexico? Don't forget about them. The US CAN'T forget about them.

Hmm.... Why start a new thread??? I wondered if I would get this reaction after I did so... Please forgive me for my arrogrance. Is that how you feel I was acting by starting a new thread? I guess I am not starting off on the right foot.

First of all, I chose my "username" off the top of my head. Now I'm thinking maybe that wasn't such a good idea. I see that there is some discussion going on here regarding the SPP and North American Union plans that are taking shape...with or without the knowledge and/or consent of both of our governmental bodies. There is a growing groundswell of opposition to this in America...as people are slowly waking up to the realization that this is actually going to happen. I got the link to this particular site from one such individual. As I browsed through some of your topics and posts, it is sort of the same theme I see on our boards here in the US...some see this as a good thing, while others are very afraid for our sovereignty. I have read both pros and cons on your board here regarding the US military force in the world. Think how you would feel if you had a husband, father, brother, or son who had given their lives for the defence of the "American way of life", only to realize it was all for nothing...that soon there will be no United States of America. Thank God I am not one of those, but I can only imagine how incensed I would be. I also have read, with interest, that when this discussion is happening here, it is mostly (not always) regarding the union of Canada and the US...only a few even mention Mexico. This is where we differ. I suppose it is because you are so unaffected by what is happening in the United States. That is even how I found out about SPP, etc., was from internet discussion boards stemming from my outrage at the illegal immigration situation. Our country (middle class) is being destroyed. Plain and simple. I don't blame the illegals...it is much easier to come to a country that is "fixed and working" than to stay there and try to "fix" their own. At least that is what I think. I blame our government. Not just Bush. The Democrats have sold out to corporate interests as well. There is not an inch of difference between the 2 parties, for the most part. The upcoming election will be a HUGE marker in US history. We will see if we have a democracy or if we have just been deluding ourselves, because there is a THUNDEROUS OUTCRY in our nation to which our elected officals have turned a deaf ear. But I digress. That is our problem, not yours...at least, not yet. What I really wanted to know is if Canadians see the NAU as a REAL occurence...happening faster than you realize...or if you think it's all a conspiracy theory of some sort. And if you do see it happening, are you for or against it? If anybody wants, I would be happy to supply the links I have come across, as I have been researching for months now. I have read posts on this forum where some people say, "I don't hate Americans...just Bush and his cronies". Believe me, I can understand THAT! But even if you don't hate us as neighbors, are you willing to have us as "bedfellows". And not only us, don't forget... it is the North American Union. Canada and the US are only a part of that entity. Thank you for your time. I would appreciate all your HONEST responses, no matter how bitingly honest they may be.

I didn't vote for Bush, but you better believe I POWER VOTED for Taylor Hicks!!! I will be seeing all the Idols in concert later this summer...and I am 53...keeps me young, I guess. Soul Patrol....whoooo hooo sorry...back to topic!

I caution you not to engage in the kind of generalization you talk about elsewhere in your post. Re the 2004 election, anyone whose head wasn't in the sand knew there was a risk that GWB would be voted in for a second term. Yes, 55 million USians voted for other than GWB. But what else did those 55 million people do, other than not vote for him? Political activity can involve more than just voting. If citizens see a risk in so-and-so being elected, then they should do more than simply fill out a ballot on election day. My argument goes equally to the people on this side of the border. We now have a minority Conservative government, put into Ottawa with 36% of the popular vote. What did the remaining 64% of voters do beyond presenting themselves on election day? I'm one of those voters and ask myself: Did I talk enough to acquaintances about the issues? Did I write enough to the various politicians and candidates? Did I send enough letters to the editor? I can't help but think that if I and the other 64% of voters had done more, we would have had a different outcome, one that in fact reflects the majority. This is my first post on this forum. I signed up for this forum because I wanted to get a feel for how my northern neighbors felt about the way things are shaping up for the North American Union. I chose a user name just off the top of my head. I hope it won't give anybody a prejudice against me from the get go... I wanted to address this post because I agree with it. I have written, called, faxed every elected official I can get to on the issue of illegal immigration. I have tried to plant seeds of thought with just about everybody I come into contact with. The results of all this effort by myself and MANY, MANY others are still out. Even after our upcoming election, we shall wait and see. From what I have been reading here, I hope you won't label me as a "bigot, racist" or whatever. It has NOTHING to do with racism, but EVERYTHING to do with the sell out of our country by our government to corporate globalization. They are coming after you, too. I just wanted to get a different perspective. Please be kind. Thanks for having me!