Canuckistani

You are related to American woman. This is an unusual event for us, it's not something I've heard about here. And it only happened on the new bridge, not the 3 other cable stay bridges. Thus it's a newsworthy even for us, here, the special people. It may not interest somebody who comes on a Canadian discussion for no discernible reason. Oh, well.

I think I came in pretty early. Since I live in the area, I can tell you it's a new one to me. Not road closures, including bridges, but stuff falling off the cables of the bridge. We have 3 other cable stay bridges here that I can think of. It's never been an issue, or never reported in the media, at least. I've never heard of just a bridge being closed for snow.

Are you being purposely obtuse, or are you related to American Woman? What does a hydro tower collapse have to do with the design of the bridge? They closed the bridge because they didn't want people driving on that part of the highway. Has nothing to do with the design of the bridge. If there was no bridge in that place, the highway would have been just as closed. There isn't a jurisdiction that gets snow that won't have to close highways one in a while due to snow. That's different than the design of this bridge, which appears to be poor.

No doubt that racism exists among employers. Including Chinese ones that stipulate Mandarin as a job requirement, say, ie employers of all races. We were talking about institutionalized racism. We don't have that in Canada, unless you consider all the special deals for certain races we have as racism, as I do. Positive racism is still racism. We've bent over backwards to make Canada as fair a state as we can.

I'm not aware of us ever closing a bridge because of "snow bombs" before. We don't handle snow well in the Lower Mainland, but this was ridiculous Sorta like the Skytrain having to stop running because of a bit of ice on the tracks. This bridge was built by a PPP. I sure hope the private partner who built the bridge is the one who takes the loss in tolls when it has to be closed because of snow. But knowing the way these things are done, the govt will be on the hook for any shortfalls. All PPP does is let the govt keep some debt off the books, while in the end paying more than if they had just paid for the thing up front in the first place. Nothing like capitalist dogmatism to cost more money.

Sure. The govt is blaming the contractor, saying it's their problem. But, the paper reported today that this sort of thing happens all over the world. Ohio for example, and Boston. They also have to close bridges during weather conditions. I must admit I've never heard of it happening here before now, but maybe all the hoopla was just because it was a brand new bridge.

How about posting a bit more than just a link? But, of the Indigenous Peoples' leaders I've heard from, Cheif Louie is as good as it gets. He's said to his people "you don't work you don't get paid." Huge step forward. And he's turned the Osoyoos band into a very profitable enterprise. I don't know where he stands on the Indian act tho, and integrating Indigenous Peoples into the rest of Canada instead of this racist segregation we practice.

We have at least two cable stayed bridges I can think of. But the cables are on the outside, not over traffic. Never been a problem with them.

Google is your friend. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=22128&st=30#entry867554 So murders doing another murder was 0.8% When you say perverts, presumably you mean sex offenders. The recidivism rate there would be much higher, especially among pedophiles. Good argument for locking them up for a long time or at least keeping a close eye on them while they are outside.

A agree. Good points.

This shooter was severely mentally ill. Presumably even in the Bloodthirsty States of America he would have been found not guilty. And, for those who don't care about the state being a killer of the guilty, at least care about the people the state kills in error.

Tell that to Clifford Olson or Paul Bernardo, I'm sure they'll be very happy to hear it.

As I think it's ludicrous that these families are only blaming the police for not investigating after the fact, but not themselves for the fact these women were on the streets to begin with.

You really think the women's families played no role in why they were on the street? As for your comment, not sure what you're talking about. At all.

Yes they do. And that's been said over and over again. But that doesn't allow the families to shift blame to the police. They need to look at what they wrought. Maybe some of the very people crying in the media about their loss are the ones who abused the girls in the first place.

Yes, post WWII they were. You want to go back further than that, all they needed was a strong back and farming or logging skills.

You're not seriously claiming that these 72 women were all raised in loving homes and who knows what drove them on the street? Read the article Iinked to.

You challenged me that how do I know the parents haven't looked at their role in this - that implies they would be taking on some of the blame. Haven't heard them say so in public. The you do the old blaming the victim thing, where the relative that raped one of these women or otherwise abused them is apparently the victim.

It's all a matter of degree. Bear your arms. Even in Gunmerica, you have outright bans on certain types of arms, restrictions on others. It's all a matter of degree. You should have further restrictions, IMO. But it's your country, and if you're willing to accept a certain level of mass killings so you have fewer restrictions on guns, that's up to you.

Wait, first you say they have been looking at their role, then you say they aren't to blame? If little Suzy got raped by her father, he's not to blame? If little Wendy was born with fetal alcohol syndrome, her mom carries no blame? If little Vanessa grew up emotionally damaged by her neglectful, abusive, alcohol or drug addicted parents, they shoulder no blame?

Thank God for that, our society would be in bid trouble. But it's a false analogy to compare them to guns. First off, nobody wants to ban guns. But even if they did, it would reduce murder by guns. Britain saw a huge decline in gun murders after placing much greater restriction on guns. OTOH, people were still able to get to work, go shopping or whatever cars are used for - ie the only effect of restricting guns was to reduce killings. Oh, and a few gun nuts crying in their ale. Small price to pay.

I agree. And we should have better supports for poverty and mental illness. But I still stick to my point that the families doing all the blaming should be looking within to see what role they played here and where blame lies with them. Legalizing sex work is a good idea, but many women come to it because of addiction, and he addiction was caused by abuse or neglect when they were children. So legalizing sex work is more of a band aid in that case.

Nice twist. The police have been rightly castigated for their failures for years now. Kim Rossmo told them a serial killer was operating but command didn't want to hear it. But to put all the blame on the police for not taking care of these women is ridiculous. Police investigate after the fact - somebody's already dead. Somebody's life was already ruined by their family. I would like to see the family members do a bit more self reflection instead of just blaming others.

What section would you put it in? Aren't Native issues Federal. It's the families fault that created these vulnerable women in the first place. The families failed them long before the police did. For the families now to protest that the police failed, without looking at their own failures is disingenuous. But of course you only get money by crying racism.

The Pickton inquiry report is out, and of course points out the failures of he police forces involved to properly investigate the disappearances of the 70 or so women. It recommends liason workers between sex workers and the police, and funds to help the children of the victims as well as funds to allow "healing" of the victim's relatives. Nowhere is discussed why these women were hooking on the street in the first place. The angry relatives blaming the police never mention what happened in their families that drove these women to addiction in the first place. Christie Blatchford, in the Vancouver Sun, finally brings up the elephant in the room: Read more: http://www.canada.com/Pickton+report+highlights+broken+state+aboriginal+culture/7717305/story.html#ixzz2FWSgXV Nobody wants to talk about this because that would mean the families would actually look at how they themselves failed these women. And how the cure for this failure is within the families, not castigating the police or giving money for "healing" (Ah, the white man's guilt comes out again.) The spot light should be redirected back at the families of these women, the very ones demonstrating about how the system failed the women. Yes it did, but only after the families themselves failed to a far greater extent.