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Quote.Could you have possibly picked a worse excuse? They were caught on tape Durgan. Hardly arbitrary arrest. Hardly spurious charges. Do I think that its sad that even in today's racial climate that it seems that defendants other than white seem to meet their justice quicker than whites do? Absolutely. But arbitrary arrest/spurious charges? In the case you cited, its hardly the case. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't pee your pants. Some were on tape, this I haven't seen, but I will take your word for it.. Others were just an accusation. Wait until the full story comes out. I am mainly pointing out the arbitrary arrest practice. The story was a fine example to draw attention to the practice. The racial bit is always a line to use if it exists and it is alive and well. I'm black. Durgan.

Arbitrary arrest and spurious charges are almost a normal situation in Canada. The police laying the charge well know it will be thrown out of court. Crown prosecutors seldom look at he case until a few minutes before the trial. These are the street level minor crimes, domestic situations, minor accusations, police irritation with a mouthy citizen, etc. Arbitrary arrests and detention can leave one isolated and one's family facing economic and social hardships. There is no recourse to justice in these spurious charges. The police walk with no reprimand or financial punishment, and the accused has to suffer the consequences. A few years ago a Chief Justice spoke about the number of arbitrary arrests with no supporting evidence, but no action was taken. This is a method used by the police to keep society in line. It is a sort of street justice. It would be interesting to know the statistics on arbitrary arrests and no conviction. After an arbitrary arrest for wherever reason a charge is layed to protect the police department’s ass. After all Arbitrary Arrest is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but if a charge is layed then that would seem to justify the arrest. It is a sort of catch 22 situation. An internet google will give many hits about arbitrary arrest in third world countries, but I would like to point out it is alive and well in Canada. Durgan

People look at murder in Canadian Justice. Televison shows look at usually murder. How about looking at the everyday level. The lower level system gets completely overlooked. This system affects almost everyone coming in contact with the police; drugs, marital confrontations, petty crime, and police complaints to name a few. Unless people come in contact with the system, they think it is working. I suggest it is highly disfunctional in almost all areas. It is simply white-washed by the media and people belive the stories. AT school 16 Blacks charged with sexual offence. Victim was white in Toronto. http://exhurnic.notlong.com Apparently the trials have started. It is hard to find information about this jack-boot police behaviour. J. Robert Kellermann, a defence lawyer, said the police and the Crown overreacted in arresting and pursuing criminal charges against all 16 of the students. Some of those charges havd accepted deals, others are going to trial. Many take deals just to end the process inspite of being innocent. I wonder if some of those charged and found not guilty will sue for Arbritary arrest. This takes money, but I hope some have it. To some of these people the actions of the police are the punishment. The evidence would seem to be an accusation only in some of the incidents. The police lay a charge with no evidence well knowing that it will not stand up in court, but put those charged through misery and expense. This is standard practice in Canada. This is in spite of Trudeau's Charter of Rights and Freedoms which specifically protects citizens from Arbritary Arrest. As far as I know no cop has been charged for this infringement. Usually this tactic is exercised against the poor and unknown. The procedure is the equivalent of the now banished Vagrancy Law. Such is Justice in Canada. Durgan

Muslim Demonstration in Vancouver 19 Feb 2006 I would like all you to notice how political matters are discussed in a democratic country. I don't happen to have any respect for the Muslim position, that is my right it is their's to disagree. Religion is no more immune than any other issue. I am so proud that the Muslim' living in Canada's are expressing their views in Vancouver, (it must be nice weather) , but I defie them to try the same thing on any issue that is not state sponsored in any of the loving countries they left to come to the land of the free. They are exercising their democratic right in a peaceful manner. That is what it's all about. I happen to like the cartoons, and the Muslims have pointed out that they don't. I hear you, but am not going to change my mind on the issue. Your reason for objecting to the cartoons in the twenty-first Century just doesn't cut it. A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. Durgan.

http://mazziera.notlong.com URL to full article. A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth. Durgan.

http://mazziera.notlong.com URL to full article. A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth.

http://mazziera.notlong.com URL to full article. A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth.

I suggest Ibn Warraq has a good reason for printing the cartoons. Below is an extract from one of his articles. "Peace in our Time" Neville Chamberlain 1939 This little piece of paper Chamberlain (PM of UK) got from Hitler cost 50 million lives, because of heads burried in the sand. By Ibn Warraq A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth.

Now that that Canadian Media (Newspapers) have in the typical Canadain manner laid down and pretended all is well, one must seek answers to freedom debates from other sources. Isalim has pushed the religious aspect of actions against its enemies. Every Islamic public expression of support for violence has predominent overtones of religion associated with the event. The particular organization perpetuating any action is always secondary to some Islamic utterance associated with the event. It would be easy to attack the event, but the association with Islam makes it necessary to attack Islam itself. The Moslim community cannot hide behind "the attacking Mohammed" with impunity. Attacking Islam is necessary, because a segment of Islam is hiding under the skirts of religion. Hardly a person in the West can remember offhand a particular group who attacked the interests of the west, Munich, 9/11,Entebbe,beheadings, but without exception they know there is and was a Muslim association. Western attacks are never associated witha religion, except by the wildest association. Iraqui propagandists are not saying the US attack is "The Christians." Western speech spin-doctors don't talk about the war on Islam, but the war in Iraqui. It seems that every "terrorists" attack is asociated with Islam by the perpetuators own admission. (terrorists term is in the eyes of the beholder). Am I then, a poor dumb observer, to ignore the Islam connection brcause I might offend Mohammed? I think not. Durgan. http://feasumsy.notlong.com URL to the complete story By Ibn Warraq A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth.

http://derwebec.notlong.com 'Everyone Is Afraid to Criticize Islam' Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Dutch politician forced to go into hiding after the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, responds to the Danish cartoon scandal, arguing that if Europe doesn't stand up to extremists, a culture of self-censorship of criticism of Islam that pervades in Holland will spread in Europe. Auf Wiedersehen, free speech. It appears the thugs are winning, roll over and play dead. Oh, Canada, I stand on Guard for Thee. Durgan.

This, of course, will continue until the World's Democratic leaders quit being politically correct. Durgan.

This is an article by a womanwas there. I found this on the internet. I suggest it is relevant to the Muslim cartoon situation.. Regards, James http://duxedlet.notlong.com We were brought up to hate - and we do By Nonie Darwish (Filed: 12/02/2006) The controversy regarding the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed completely misses the point. Of course, the cartoons are offensive to Muslims, but newspaper cartoons do not warrant the burning of buildings and the killing of innocent people. The cartoons did not cause the disease of hate that we are seeing in the Muslim world on our television screens at night - they are only a symptom of a far greater disease. I was born and raised as a Muslim in Cairo, Egypt and in the Gaza Strip. In the 1950s, my father was sent by Egypt's President, Gamal Abdel Nasser, to head the Egyptian military intelligence in Gaza and the Sinai where he founded the Palestinian Fedayeen, or "armed resistance". They made cross-border attacks into Israel, killing 400 Israelis and wounding more than 900 others. My father was killed as a result of the Fedayeen operations when I was eight years old. He was hailed by Nasser as a national hero and was considered a shaheed, or martyr. In his speech announcing the nationalisation of the Suez Canal, Nasser vowed that all of Egypt would take revenge for my father's death. My siblings and I were asked by Nasser: "Which one of you will avenge your father's death by killing Jews?" We looked at each other speechless, unable to answer. In school in Gaza, I learned hate, vengeance and retaliation. Peace was never an option, as it was considered a sign of defeat and weakness. At school we sang songs with verses calling Jews "dogs" (in Arab culture, dogs are considered unclean). Criticism and questioning were forbidden. When I did either of these, I was told: "Muslims cannot love the enemies of God, and those who do will get no mercy in hell." As a young woman, I visited a Christian friend in Cairo during Friday prayers, and we both heard the verbal attacks on Christians and Jews from the loudspeakers outside the mosque. They said: "May God destroy the infidels and the Jews, the enemies of God. We are not to befriend them or make treaties with them." We heard worshippers respond "Amen". My friend looked scared; I was ashamed. That was when I first realised that something was very wrong in the way my religion was taught and practised. Sadly, the way I was raised was not unique. Hundreds of millions of other Muslims also have been raised with the same hatred of the West and Israel as a way to distract from the failings of their leaders. Things have not changed since I was a little girl in the 1950s. Palestinian television extols terrorists, and textbooks still deny the existence of Israel. More than 300 Palestinians schools are named after shaheeds, including my father. Roads in both Egypt and Gaza still bear his name - as they do of other "martyrs". What sort of message does that send about the role of terrorists? That they are heroes. Leaders who signed peace treaties, such as President Anwar Sadat, have been assassinated. Today, the Islamo-fascist president of Iran uses nuclear dreams, Holocaust denials and threats to "wipe Israel off the map" as a way to maintain control of his divided country. Indeed, with Denmark set to assume the rotating presidency of the UN Security Council, the flames of the cartoon controversy have been fanned by Iran and Syria. This is critical since the International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to refer Iran to the Security Council and demand sanctions. At the same time, Syria is under scrutiny for its actions in Lebanon. Both Iran and Syria cynically want to embarrass the Danes to achieve their dangerous goals. But the rallies and riots come from a public ripe with rage. From my childhood in Gaza until today, blaming Israel and the West has been an industry in the Muslim world. Whenever peace seemed attainable, Palestinian leaders found groups who would do everything to sabotage it. They allowed their people to be used as the front line of Arab jihad. Dictators in countries surrounding the Palestinians were only too happy to exploit the Palestinians as a diversion from problems in their own backyards. The only voice outside of government control in these areas has been the mosques, and these places of worship have been filled with talk of jihad. Is it any surprise that after decades of indoctrination in a culture of hate, that people actually do hate? Arab society has created a system of relying on fear of a common enemy. It's a system that has brought them much-needed unity, cohesion and compliance in a region ravaged by tribal feuds, instability, violence, and selfish corruption. So Arab leaders blame Jews and Christians rather than provide good schools, roads, hospitals, housing, jobs, or hope to their people. For 30 years I lived inside this war zone of oppressive dictatorships and police states. Citizens competed to appease and glorify their dictators, but they looked the other way when Muslims tortured and terrorised other Muslims. I witnessed honour killings of girls, oppression of women, female genital mutilation, polygamy and its devastating effect on family relations. All of this is destroying the Muslim faith from within. It's time for Arabs and Muslims to stand up for their families. We must stop allowing our leaders to use the West and Israel as an excuse to distract from their own failed leadership and their citizens' lack of freedoms. It's time to stop allowing Arab leaders to complain about cartoons while turning a blind eye to people who defame Islam by holding Korans in one hand while murdering innocent people with the other. Muslims need jobs - not jihad. Apologies about cartoons will not solve the problems. What is needed is hope and not hate. Unless we recognise that the culture of hate is the true root of the riots surrounding this cartoon controversy, this violent overreaction will only be the start of a clash of civilis-ations that the world cannot bear. • Nonie Darwish is a freelance writer and public speaker.

Rotten Judgment in the State of Denmark By Jytte Klausen The Danish paper that printed the cartoons of Muhammad wanted to stir up trouble -- and the government wanted a culture war. They got more than they bargained for. This is probably the most balanced view of the cartoon issue to date. http://ribhikka.notlong.com Durgan.

You are so right, I do not understand your comment. If it wasn't so blatanly stupid I would laugh. I do know burying your head in the sand and seeing nothing, hearing nothing, and knowing nothing is bliss for many. Summarized this means ignorance. Even worse is acepting the party line hook, line and sinker. I suggest you qualify for the last statement. Durgan.

An enlightening read on Denmark. Durgan. http://irricted.notlong.com The Danes believe Denmark is the best country in the world, that Danish beer is the best in the world, and that anything they do is better than anywhere else in the world. But however contradictory it may seem, between them, they don't like to see others being successful. Thus, they do everything they can to bring down the brightest amongst them. The communist tax system that has brought the highest overall taxation level in the world is an effective way of doing so. As you shall see later, the colour of the national flag corresponds to the political system...

http://nuzziery1.notlong.com 1. In a one-paragraph statement issued yesterday, the Prime Minister said Canadians have the right to free speech as well as the right to voice their opinions about the free speech of others. 2. In the next paragraph he was politically correct in the normal wimpy Canadian manner. "I regret the publication of this material in several media outlets," Mr. Harper said, "While we understand this issue is divisive, our government wishes that people be respectful of the beliefs of others. 3. Then a pat on the back for Canadian Muslims for not rioting. "I commend the Canadian Muslim community for voicing its opinion peacefully, respectfully and democratically," Mr. Harper concluded. This is one of the biggest news stories in the world over the last few days, and our press will not publish these cartoons. I just heard on the CBC the publisher of the Ottawa Citizen wimping out. Here they are here. http://larviers.notlong.com Durgan.

Images are forbidden by the Islam religion. It is in the Koran : the book composed of sacred writings accepted by Muslims as revelations made to Muhammad by Allah through the angel Gabriel. Durgan.

http://www.aljazeera.com/ I check in with Al Jazeera periodically, naturally to seek the truth. It appears there is nary a word about the cartoons. My guess is the riots are starting to make some of the totalitarian state's rulers frightened. They have let the genie out of the bottle, and now want to put it back in. A tiger held by the tail might bite anybody. I also suspect Al Jazwwra has been told to reduce the hysteria. Mind you Al Jazeera doesn't have to say anything, because the wimp Western secular state press couldn't do more to advance their cause. Muslims in general all read Al Jazeera and even worse 68% believe all that is written. The chances of overthrowing some of these regimes is almost zero, because of the security apparatus. The new rulers if such a coup occurred might be worse than the disease. Durgan.

It is probably safer to purchase a prayer mat, particularly if you live in Canada. Here is a URL for the best at bargain prices. http://tryhourt.notlong.com Durgan. "About he only people who don't quarrel over religion are the people who haven't any." Bob Edwards 1920

For those who are missing the impact of the consequences of the current war being fought between secular society and a medival religion by burying heads in sand, here is a chance to get a bargain on prayer mats. http://tryhourt.notlong.com Durgan.

Unfreakin believable. At least give the US credit for trying to let the Iraqi's try one of the biggest human rights abusers in the world. This is as fair of a trial he's going to get. Lovey: How long do you think Sadam would survive on the street of Baghdad? I am sorry I didn't explain the comment in at least 10 paragraphs. I wrongly assumed one can visualize and imagine, but I attribute too much efficacy to the public educational system. Durgan.

I just read about 160 comments on feedback to the Globe and Mail. Most writers were against publishing the cartoons. I suspect part of their thinking process was extinguised by Canada's educational system. There were a few insightful comments. This prohibition about images in the Koran is only one of many stupid prohibitions and punishments. Respect for this book? No. The West and Canadians are making a terrible mistake if they let some stupid religion dictate their actions. Today it is craven images, tomorrow it will be something just as silly and stupid It took almost 2000 years to tame the Christian religion. The same battle that was won against Christianity is now being fought against Islam. If the West folds on this issue, they had better start buying prayer mats. The whole episode is blackmail and thuggery by Muslims to intimidate the Western Nations. Canada simply laid down and surrendered. I am not proud of our Canadian media. When money is concerned the Western Nations are easily intimidated. I suggest every religion should be attacked non-violently at every opportunity, until they disappear from public view completely. God, what harm they have made the human race endure. Few if any could stand a review of their history without a feeling of revulsion and horror. How could so many people be so stupid? Durgan. "Isn't it queer that only sensible people agree with you." Bob Edwards 1912.

The trial is a total farce. The verdict is GUILTY and the penalty is DEATH. Everyone knows the crimes, so why the silly trial? Sadam, et al, are doing exactly what they should, disrupt. The lawyers act like asses anyway in most court rooms, so their actions mean nothing, as long as they get paid. Actually a few days for contempt in an Iraq jail would be good for the lawyers. The judge could keep them there for a few days before being released due to the necessary paperwork, etc. Sadam should be set free with the excuse that a fair trial cannot take place. Simply open the jail door and kick him out into the street of Baghdad. This is a simple solution. Durgan. The trouble with lawyers is 99% make the other 1% look bad. Bob Edwards 1916 Durgan.

This is an article by one who was there. Durgan. http://duxedlet.notlong.com We were brought up to hate - and we do By Nonie Darwish (Filed: 12/02/2006) The controversy regarding the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed completely misses the point. Of course, the cartoons are offensive to Muslims, but newspaper cartoons do not warrant the burning of buildings and the killing of innocent people. The cartoons did not cause the disease of hate that we are seeing in the Muslim world on our television screens at night - they are only a symptom of a far greater disease. I was born and raised as a Muslim in Cairo, Egypt and in the Gaza Strip. In the 1950s, my father was sent by Egypt's President, Gamal Abdel Nasser, to head the Egyptian military intelligence in Gaza and the Sinai where he founded the Palestinian Fedayeen, or "armed resistance". They made cross-border attacks into Israel, killing 400 Israelis and wounding more than 900 others. My father was killed as a result of the Fedayeen operations when I was eight years old. He was hailed by Nasser as a national hero and was considered a shaheed, or martyr. In his speech announcing the nationalisation of the Suez Canal, Nasser vowed that all of Egypt would take revenge for my father's death. My siblings and I were asked by Nasser: "Which one of you will avenge your father's death by killing Jews?" We looked at each other speechless, unable to answer. In school in Gaza, I learned hate, vengeance and retaliation. Peace was never an option, as it was considered a sign of defeat and weakness. At school we sang songs with verses calling Jews "dogs" (in Arab culture, dogs are considered unclean). Criticism and questioning were forbidden. When I did either of these, I was told: "Muslims cannot love the enemies of God, and those who do will get no mercy in hell." As a young woman, I visited a Christian friend in Cairo during Friday prayers, and we both heard the verbal attacks on Christians and Jews from the loudspeakers outside the mosque. They said: "May God destroy the infidels and the Jews, the enemies of God. We are not to befriend them or make treaties with them." We heard worshippers respond "Amen". My friend looked scared; I was ashamed. That was when I first realised that something was very wrong in the way my religion was taught and practised. Sadly, the way I was raised was not unique. Hundreds of millions of other Muslims also have been raised with the same hatred of the West and Israel as a way to distract from the failings of their leaders. Things have not changed since I was a little girl in the 1950s. Palestinian television extols terrorists, and textbooks still deny the existence of Israel. More than 300 Palestinians schools are named after shaheeds, including my father. Roads in both Egypt and Gaza still bear his name - as they do of other "martyrs". What sort of message does that send about the role of terrorists? That they are heroes. Leaders who signed peace treaties, such as President Anwar Sadat, have been assassinated. Today, the Islamo-fascist president of Iran uses nuclear dreams, Holocaust denials and threats to "wipe Israel off the map" as a way to maintain control of his divided country. Indeed, with Denmark set to assume the rotating presidency of the UN Security Council, the flames of the cartoon controversy have been fanned by Iran and Syria. This is critical since the International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to refer Iran to the Security Council and demand sanctions. At the same time, Syria is under scrutiny for its actions in Lebanon. Both Iran and Syria cynically want to embarrass the Danes to achieve their dangerous goals. But the rallies and riots come from a public ripe with rage. From my childhood in Gaza until today, blaming Israel and the West has been an industry in the Muslim world. Whenever peace seemed attainable, Palestinian leaders found groups who would do everything to sabotage it. They allowed their people to be used as the front line of Arab jihad. Dictators in countries surrounding the Palestinians were only too happy to exploit the Palestinians as a diversion from problems in their own backyards. The only voice outside of government control in these areas has been the mosques, and these places of worship have been filled with talk of jihad. Is it any surprise that after decades of indoctrination in a culture of hate, that people actually do hate? Arab society has created a system of relying on fear of a common enemy. It's a system that has brought them much-needed unity, cohesion and compliance in a region ravaged by tribal feuds, instability, violence, and selfish corruption. So Arab leaders blame Jews and Christians rather than provide good schools, roads, hospitals, housing, jobs, or hope to their people. For 30 years I lived inside this war zone of oppressive dictatorships and police states. Citizens competed to appease and glorify their dictators, but they looked the other way when Muslims tortured and terrorised other Muslims. I witnessed honour killings of girls, oppression of women, female genital mutilation, polygamy and its devastating effect on family relations. All of this is destroying the Muslim faith from within. It's time for Arabs and Muslims to stand up for their families. We must stop allowing our leaders to use the West and Israel as an excuse to distract from their own failed leadership and their citizens' lack of freedoms. It's time to stop allowing Arab leaders to complain about cartoons while turning a blind eye to people who defame Islam by holding Korans in one hand while murdering innocent people with the other. Muslims need jobs - not jihad. Apologies about cartoons will not solve the problems. What is needed is hope and not hate. Unless we recognise that the culture of hate is the true root of the riots surrounding this cartoon controversy, this violent overreaction will only be the start of a clash of civilis-ations that the world cannot bear. • Nonie Darwish is a freelance writer and public speaker.