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He still is a male. That's what's so sad about all of this. Biologically yes, but they -look- female and also identify as such. If they can afford the surgery and it makes them happy, shouldn't we be happy for them and respect their choice to be called she/her?

It doesn't. So is your argument that trans people all have cases of body dysmorphia before they have surgery? I think this may be true. But then, if someone who's trans undergoes surgery and then feels good about their body, wouldn't that work? Now, I'm not saying that there couldn't be other ways to get them to feel good about their body, but if they're an adult, I think the way they choose should be their choice to make, so long as they're footing the bill. Things get more complicated if the where to foot some or all of the bill, but I'm not sure if that's actually done anywhere.

We know that's not accurate. It's not quite so simple as being a choice but it is definitely in many cases not biological. Or at least not exclusively biological at all. Environmental factors play a large role. In those cases where it is purely biological it's a disorder and needs to be treated as such. Talking about there is the Hardcore gender dysphoria victims Could you elaborate on a case where it's "purely biologicaly"? I genuinely have no knowledge of any case like this and am curious.

People don't decide to become trans. They are born trans. It is not a choice. The choise comes when the individual chooses to have gender re-assignment surgery that can cost tens of thousands of dollars. Even then, In Canada, the [person] needs to be assessed before surgery. At the Menard Clinic, candidates who have already been assessed, are in the clinic for a month for rigourous counselling before surgery. Transitioning is a long and expensive procedure. F2M transition is more expensive than M2F. I certainly don't always agree with User, but I see that he responded to your post in post #90 and no one responded to prior to my own response just now, is a good one. For those who don't want to click on any links, here's what User said in response to Queenmandy's post: ** So, when a confused kid is convinced they are trans, they identify as trans, get talked into surgery and drugs (while still a kid) and then they figure out later in life it was all a mistake, were they born trans or not? ** So in summation, I think I should have said "decide to identify as trans" rather than saying "decide to become trans", but User's point is very valid and I think one that a lot of the trans community and those who support them are averse to dealing with.

We've certainly not always agreed on things in relation to trans people, but the point you made here, which I see no one responded to, is a very good one.

But as a culture based on individual rights, if you make that argument on a national or cultural level and you have to also allow for it on a personal level. Which means you have to give individuals the freedom to define men or women biologically exclusively if that's what they want. What I find rather ironic is that I actually agreed with what you're saying above in the very post you're referring to. After the bit you quoted, I said: I've done some thinking about this. I've read that some people in professional capacities have been fired for not using people's preferred pronouns and been rewarded damages: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/01/us/kansas-teacher-suspend-settle/index.html Conversely, I've read of employees who were fired -because- they listed their pronouns in emails: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/nyregion/houghton-university-employees-pronouns.html The bottom line, ofcourse, is what -should- be happening? I -think- we can agree that a person listing the pronouns they would like used with them should be fine and shouldn't get one fired. As to whether people should respect the pronouns they'd like, I think so, but I also think there should be limits. I'm fine with using he for a trans male and she for a trans female, even 'eir' or 'they' for someone who doesn't consider themselves to be a he or a she. But I've heard there are a lot more pronouns and I'm resistant to having to use even more. Perhaps I may change in time here. As to my acceptance of using the pronouns wished for above, I suspect it has a lot to do with my interactions with trans people. I've conversed with a trans man in a men's circle where he shared he was beaten up for being trans to the point that he now has difficulty walking- I know this because I asked him why he had difficulty walking. Is it really so hard to call him a man even though he's biologically a woman? I don't think so. Much easier than what he's had to go through for the choice he made, that's for sure.

But it's best to keep the meaning of words as universal as possible. That way we don't have to let pervert degenerates like Bill Clinton confuse the word "is". I don't know how Bill Clinton allegedly used the word "is", but there are a fair amount of people who now include trans people into the definitions of the gender they identify with and I personally think that's a good thing. As mentioned elsewhere, I still think it's good to be able to differentiate between people who are biologically of a given gender (what some call "sex") and those who only identify as said gender, such as for sports competitions that wish to only have people of the female biological gender involved in said competition.

Twice, I've been asked questions by the same poster that I think amount to clear harassment involving the word ped******. Here are the posts in question: https://repolitics.com/forums/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=54465&content_commentid=1760978 https://repolitics.com/forums/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=54465&content_commentid=1761015 I reported both of these posts as harassment, the first one a while ago and I've just reported the second one, but so far I haven't gotten a response and I just wanted to make sure that this kind of thing isn't permitted.

Why did you just admit to being a pedophile AGAIN? OMG. I have once again reported you for harassment.

Let's not forget that all trans people were once kids too. Great. Then trannies can dress up as kids and play with each other. You missed the point I was trying to make. My point is, why do some people identify as trans? Even experts aren't sure, but I think the following text from the American Psychological Association is interesting: ** Why are some people transgender? There is no single explanation for why some people are transgender. The diversity of transgender expression and experiences argues against any simple or unitary explanation. Many experts believe that biological factors such as genetic influences and prenatal hormone levels, early experiences, and experiences later in adolescence or adulthood may all contribute to the development of transgender identities. ** Source: Understanding transgender people, gender identity and gender expression | American Psychological Association It's clear that some kids feel like they're transgender early on. I for one think they should be given the resources to deal with this as best they can. See, that's the beauty of mental health professionals and facilities. They can take the trannies in and help them work through their mental disorders. My suggestion would be that the trannies stay in treatment facilities until they feel empowered to act within the appropriate standards of their biological sex. The "appropriate standards of their biological sex"? Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

I did no such thing, consider your question harassment, and have reported it as such. LOL, oh, so now words have only your meaning... Some words are generally accepted to be extremely derogatory and generally constitute harassment when used to describe others. This generally isn't the case for words like male and female. What those words -mean-, on the other hand, depends on who you're asking.

Agreed, but the problem here is something else. Put simply, the problem here is that your definitions of male/female/man/woman/boy/girl aren't the same as other people's definitions of those terms. My definitions make sense and are what they have been since humans have existed and had terms for male and female. Most if not all word definitions make sense, that's not the issue. The issue is how people are defining terms like male and female. Some, like yourself, are sticking to how it was defined in the past. An increasing number of people are defining it in a way that includes trans people to be in the gender they identify with.

There is something very wrong with society and it's weird people trying to normalize weird behaviors. You know, weirdos like you trying to mainstream transsexualism. But we normal Americans are not going to put up with it. Well, I'm glad that we agree that there's something very wrong with a good chunk of society. Unfortunately, we don't agree on -what- is wrong in this case :-p. You can ofcourse insult people who disagree with your viewpoints, but it's not going to make your beliefs more persuasive. I suggest you focus on the reasons you believe what you believe rather than insulting those who don't agree with your beliefs.

There is something wrong with trans people - they act like the opposite sex and they are not the opposite sex. There is something inherently wrong with that thinking. On top of that, many in the trans community want more than just acknowledgment that they exist. They want compliance and full access to kids, and normal Americans will fight like hell to keep that from happening. We were using the word gender in the past, I'm going to stick with that one, especially because gender is recognized by many as having both a social and a biological aspect. I would say that trans people frequently socially interact in ways that are normal for the gender they identify with. They are ofcourse not that gender biologically, but why should that matter? You seem to think that there is something inherently wrong with acting in a way that doesn't conform to societal norms for a given biological gender, but you haven't actually given a reason for why you think this is wrong. As to having "full access to kids", I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I do know that some people in the transgender community have kids of their own. Do you think that is wrong too?

Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to have kids either, to be quite frank. Ah, so you are part of these some I was referring to. Why do you believe this? It's stupid if it did, as skin color is not directly connected to wrong behaviors. Putting what you said previously regarding homosexuals and kids, it seems that you believe that being homosexual and/or trans are wrong behaviours? If so, why?

It all depends on how you define gender. Wikipedia's article on gender makes it clear that what gender means depends on who you're asking: ** Gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of being a man, woman, or other gender identity.[1][2] Depending on the context, this may include sex-based social constructs (i.e. gender roles) as well as gender expression.[3][4][5] Most cultures use a gender binary, in which gender is divided into two categories, and people are considered part of one or the other (girls/women and boys/men);[6][7][8] those who are outside these groups may fall under the umbrella term non-binary. A number of societies have specific genders besides "man" and "woman," such as the hijras of South Asia; these are often referred to as third genders (and fourth genders, etc.). Most scholars agree that gender is a central characteristic for social organization.[9] ** Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender Yeah, the cultural aspects of BEING a man or woman... Did you notice that Wikipedia didn't mention biological in its definition?

That is fundamentally dishonest. They are not both women. No, you're just trying to impose your definition of women on everyone else. LOL, it is not my definition. It is, but let's continue with what you were saying... I'm sure you know that definitions can and frequently do change over time. An increasing number of people are including trans women as a type of women. Thank you for at least acknowledging that some people have now expanded their definition of women to include trans women.

That you can be something you are not, that words have no real meaning. Words can have any meaning we wish. I think a line from the well known science fiction author Frank Herbert is apt here: ** "Words can carry any burden we wish. All that's required is agreement and a tradition upon which to build." ** Source: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44439415-god-emperor-of-dune

Never said that. I think it's clear that both of these terms, as well as others such as boy, girl, man and woman are all quite meaningful terms. But that doesn't mean that their meaning can't change to some extent. I think that calling a trans male or female the gender that they identify with is fine, but as I've mentioned before, I think it's important that we distinguish between biological males and females and people who identify with a gender that isn't their biological one. We can do that easily enough by adding biological before the terms in question. They are not meaningful when you change them to be contradictory and meaningless as you are trying to do. First of all, I'm certainly not the first person whose definition of terms like male and female now include trans males and trans females. I think that we might even agree that it's becoming increasingly popular to define males and females in this expanded way. Secondly, expanding the meaning of a given term doesn't make it meaningless, so long as the new definition still has limits.

Why did you just admit to being a pedophile? I did no such thing, consider your question harassment, and have reported it as such.

Believing you are something you are not, is in fact, a mental issue. Agreed, but the problem here is something else. Put simply, the problem here is that your definitions of male/female/man/woman/boy/girl aren't the same as other people's definitions of those terms.

That is fundamentally dishonest. They are not both women. No, you're just trying to impose your definition of women on everyone else.

So, their gender. It all depends on how you define gender. Wikipedia's article on gender makes it clear that what gender means depends on who you're asking: ** Gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of being a man, woman, or other gender identity.[1][2] Depending on the context, this may include sex-based social constructs (i.e. gender roles) as well as gender expression.[3][4][5] Most cultures use a gender binary, in which gender is divided into two categories, and people are considered part of one or the other (girls/women and boys/men);[6][7][8] those who are outside these groups may fall under the umbrella term non-binary. A number of societies have specific genders besides "man" and "woman," such as the hijras of South Asia; these are often referred to as third genders (and fourth genders, etc.). Most scholars agree that gender is a central characteristic for social organization.[9] ** Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

They're all thorny issues which is why dressing up and going out on the town is the only choice. Anything outside of that needs to be illegal - especially with kids. Well, we agree on the thorny issues bit at least :-p. Let's not forget that all trans people were once kids too. I -strongly- suspect that this insistence that the genders are different is actually part of the -reason- that some people decide to become trans, and sometimes even go as far as altering their body physically to appear more like the biological gender they identify with. Did you know that it's illegal to be homosexual in Iran, but it's ok (if still looked down upon) to be transexual? It's true: https://www.dw.com/en/how-irans-anti-lgbt-policies-put-transgender-people-at-risk/a-53270136 Some U.S. states still have statutes criminalizing sodomy, although these laws have become "enforceable due to the binding precedent of Lawrence v. Texas, meaning consensual sodomy cannot be prosecuted.[26]" Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States I think what's needed is that more people understand the pain that transgender people go through in their daily lives. I suspect you could do with more understanding of this pain yourself. The more people understand this, the more I suspect that things will become better, for everyone.

It's story hour, it's pole dancing, it's anything where trannies are allowed to get near kids in a more intimate setting. Keep the trannies away from kids. It really needs to be a law. I believe there are some who have similar concerns when it comes to homosexuals and kids. In the past, I imagine the same applied to people of color and kids. I don't know if you're the one who said that all trans people have "mental issues" or whether that was someone else, but the bottom line here is, I think, the same- you think that young people shouldn't be around trans people because something is wrong with trans people. I think the truth is that the main issue is that something is wrong with a good chunk of society, mainly that we're far too focused on how the genders are different and we tend to ignore on how they are the same. This goes for trans people and non trans people too. Ultimately, we're all just humans trying to find love and acceptance in the world.