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54 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:
Businesses are going to die. That is a terrible thing but it pales to insignificance compared to people dying.
People dying is a tragedy. If a virus kills them, not our fault. If government actions kill them, that is our fault.
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36 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:
What hospitals were closed? You have the advantage of me on that one.
In April, the University Health Network in Ontario released a study suggesting that after just six weeks into a ten-week shutdown of what were said to be non-essential surgeries, as many as 35 cardiac-care patients might have died after their heart surgeries were cancelled to free up beds for the anticipated surge in COVID-19 patients (which never came). The Network reported that in April 2020, in addition to fewer cardiac surgeries, there were 38 per cent fewer cancer surgeries, 73 per cent fewer vascular surgeries, 81 per cent fewer transplant surgeries, 94 per cent fewer pediatric surgeries and 96 per cent fewer other adult surgeries compared with April 2019.
https://www.jccf.ca/government-data-shows-lockdowns-more-deadly-than-covid-19/
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1 minute ago, bcsapper said:
It's not as though they spent a while figuring out just how they could best deprive
No they didn't take a lot of time to figure out how to deprive our children. They did it almost immediately. Maybe they should have taken a little time to figure things out, before recklessly destroying everything within their reach.
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6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:
The danger of policies that radically reduce viral spread is that they radically reduce many other things that we need and value as humans.
This is true, we have let the fear of death rob us of the love of life. We now no longer believe that we are stronger together, but see our fellow humans as viral threats. The really sad part is that lockdowns don't reduce viral threats, they just redistribute them over a longer time.
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59 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:
The successful policies with Covid-19 in a few other countries are, early, frequent, almost universal testing, contact tracing, strict restrictions on travel, and a greater ICU capacity. These are nations with populations acclimatized to compliance with authority.
This is the truth. This is what the government should have focused their resources on from the beginning.
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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:
It is not the governments that have screwed things up in this crisis. It is us, the pea-brains, who won't do what we are told because we are entitled.
It is the government that screwed things up. The government closed the hospitals when people were promised treatments, necessary for their continued survival, it was the government that watched them die untreated. You might not care about that, but it is not okay, and the government is to blame. You might think that closing the hospitals didn't make waiting lists longer and fill the hospitals, but it did.
It is the government that locked down battered spouses with their abusive partners, and closed the shelters that were their only refuge. You might not see this as a problem, but it is a problem, and the government is to blame.
It is the government that closed the borders causing a worsening of the opiod crisis resulting in many deaths and hospitalizations. You might not think that this put more stress on the healthcare system, but it did. You might not see this as a problem, but it is a problem. You might not think that the government is to blame, but the government is to blame.
It was the government that closed down businesses and drove many into bankruptcy. You might not think that this is a problem, but it actually is a problem. you might think that the government is not to blame, but the government is to blame.
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3 hours ago, Aristides said:
You can open everything up but all you will end up with is a swamped health care system.
The healthcare system is swamped because the lockdowns made long hospital waiting lists longer, worsened the opioid crisis, caused an increase in domestic abuse, and made the population more sedentary. It also caused a general deterioration of mental health, and peoples ability to cope.
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3 hours ago, bcsapper said:
Sacrificing all that our parents have left for us?
I had no idea!
Our parents, and their parents through their hard work built, this nation, and left us a prosperous healthy Canada. We should do the same for our children, but lately we are not.
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The topic is damage to our health care system, you are the one who started wandering the globe. You can think that makes you the smart one if you want to.
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9 minutes ago, Aristides said:
Well let's compare Sweden with New Zealand then.
How about Antarctica no lockdowns, and no deaths for the whole continent.
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28 minutes ago, Aristides said:
Lockdown is a pretty broad term. South Korea certainly has restrictions.
But maybe we should compare likes with likes. I'm comparing. Scandinavian countries with Scandinavian countries, not ones on the other side of the world.
So you no longer believe it to be a pandemic?
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33 minutes ago, Aristides said:
Denmark has a population density of 135 people per sq km. Sweden's death rate is over 3 times Denmark's.
South Korea has population density of 527 people per square kilometer. It has had no lockdowns and has a per capita death rate that is one twelfth of Denmark's.
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39 minutes ago, Aristides said:
Sweden had 34 deaths yesterday, their per capita death rate is more than double Canada.
Elderly are expendable, we get it.
Sweden has a population density of 25.4 people per square kilometer.
Canada has a population density of 4 people per square kilometer.
Of course Ontario and Quebec have higher per capita covid deaths than New Brunswick and Newfoundland.
If you cared about the elderly you would care about this.
“While we are so busy trying to protect (seniors) from COVID, they might end up dying of isolation and loneliness and we have started hearing cases from people saying, ‘I want to die,'” said Dr. Samir Sinha, the director of Health Policy Research for the National Institute on Ageing, and the director of geriatrics for the Sinai Health System.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7484503/covid19-seniors-isolation-mental-health/
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56 minutes ago, bcsapper said:
There's no way of knowing how many would have died had there been no lock downs, either. There's no way of knowing what those deaths would have meant to the economy. There's no way of knowing what effect the increased number of infections would have had on the health care system.
If you don't know, you should not destroy. You should actually know, and have a reason before you sacrifice all that our parents have left for us. There should be some valid reason for impoverishing your children, and killing poor people all over the world.
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While there is no clear and obvious benefit to lock downs, the death and destruction they do is clear and obvious.
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15 minutes ago, Argus said:
The countries to compare Sweden with aren't Italy and Greece but the other Nordic countries. Norway's death rate is 9.62 Denmark, 28.65, Finland 11.16
Sweden 100.
It has done far worse than the other Nordic countries. I don't think that has been attributed to anything other than the others locking down and Sweden failing to do so.
Yes I do, It has the densest population of all the Nordic countries, and is the most industrialized . It has more outside contacts and outside workers. Twist it how you want, Europe is Europe, population density is population density, and choosing the comparables to paint your own picture is a sign of ignorance.
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1 hour ago, Argus said:
Sweden tried it that way and they've now given up, having recorded far more deaths than their neighbours.
The case fatality rate for Covid19 is 2.5%. Even if you cut that in half you'd need to let 300-400k people die to get herd immunity. And even then the immunity doesn't last.
Sweden is about the middle of the pack for deaths in Europe with fewer deaths per capita than Italy, Slovenia, Boznia and Herzegovina, Czechia, United Kingdom, North Macedonia, Moldova, Bulgaria, Hungary, Spain, Croatia, France and Switzerland. It has more deaths than Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Portugal, Austria, Netherlands , Slovakia, Germany, Serbia, Ireland, Greece, Latvia, Ukraine, Albania, Estonia and Norway. Generally the countries with greater population densities had more deaths.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
Sweden however didn't attack their own healthcare system, lock their children out of their schools, telling them that they were going to die, and kill their elderly by isolating them and immobilizing them.
Sweden did not lock down their citizens, and criminalize the operation of their businesses, and it seemed to make almost no difference in infection rates.
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On 1/13/2021 at 10:42 PM, brett 1 said:
We have wrecked the bloody place well before its time. and its all basically been done during our lifetime a span of about 80 years. wow some legacy we leave.
Yes there has been a lot of man made change in the last 80 years. Of course the man made solutions are more recent. Man is now working on building a pipeline across Africa (the Trans African Pipeline) to bring water to the Sahara desert, and make it green again, planting trees, and producing crops. This is an east west pipeline, but the same could be done with north south pipelines if TAP is a success. Work is being done on carbon capture with algae, producing biodegradable plastics and fuels, and of course taking carbon dioxide out of the air, and putting oxygen into it. Efforts are now being made to farm sea weed taking carbon out of the ocean, and putting oxygen back, reducing the dead zones, and reversing the acidification of the seas. All is not lost, good people are doing good things, and we will get better at it.
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I would not have locked down the country in the first place. Lock downs only slow the spread, and for any infections that are avoided there is a corresponding avoidance of immunity. In the long run there is no difference, and after 10 months we probably have more current infections than if we hadn't locked down at all. I would have tried to balance the budget, or run surpluses in the good years running up to this crisis so we would have a healthier economy, and could better fund our healthcare system. I would have provided funds where the deaths were occurring in the long term care homes, let everyone else live their lives as they should. I would have made testing a priority, putting resources into finding out who has the virus, and isolating those who were likely to infect others, and actually using an informed approach to containing it. I would have encouraged people to become less sedentary, becoming stronger physically and mentally, and strengthening their immune systems to better fight the virus.
If you wanted the crisis to last as long as possible, lock downs and public hysteria are the way to do it. If you want to give the next virus the best possible start, destroying your economy and healthcare system is the way to do it. Of course the longer you make the infection last, the more variances the virus is likely to produce, which is what we are seeing now.
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If you wanted to cripple your healthcare system, you could build up a huge waiting list for life saving procedures, then close the hospitals. This would greatly increase the potential for more procedures being required. Of course you would loose a few, but those who survived would now be require more treatments, so it would be a net gain. You could also have your doctors widely prescribe opiods for pain relief, making people dependent on them. Since the drugs they are now dependent on come from outside the country, you could close the borders, forcing the users to rely on more toxic local drugs. Of course some would die, but there would be lots left to fill available hospital beds. You could make your population more sedentary, by telling them to stay home. Closing the hospitals denying necessary joint replacements that would keep people mobile would also help. You could blame covi19 for filling the hospitals, of course no is going to do the math and call you a liar.
You could traumatize the people by telling them that a viral infection that is killing millions, and filling the streets with bodies. Of course people wouldn't be stepping over dead bodies as they navigate the sidewalks, but if you keep saying over and over, people will believe you. This would cause a deterioration of mental health in general, and the people's sense of well being, and gain a lot of demand for healthcare services.
You could increase the government debt, allowing it to take a larger portion of the government funding pie. You could also decrease the size of the pie by driving your businesses into bankruptcy, raising unemployment and generally decreasing your tax base.
It seems that our governments are hitting on all cylinders.
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50 minutes ago, taxme said:
But this needs to come to an end before more damage is done to society.
This is so true. Government actions are killing so many, and doing no good at all. The elderly are dying from isolation, spouses are being abused and people are dying because of the earlier hospital closures. The lockdowns globally are causing a doubling of world poverty, and a doubling of world wide child malnutrition. Children in poor countries are starving to death because of international measures that our government is part of. The question is, is our government doing this knowingly which is criminal, or are they unaware of the damage which would make them incompetent?
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On 1/10/2021 at 12:47 AM, Zeitgeist said:
The costs of financial ruin, social disconnection, and untreated illnesses must be enormous. Without a full accounting of those numbers, there can be no accurate accounting of the impact of Covid 19 with and without restrictions.
Well said. For months I have been telling of the costs of the lock downs. Lock downs are a trade off at best, with any delayed infections, being also delayed immunity. Over a period of time time there is no difference, but while people are trying to hide, people were dying from hospitals being shut down, opioid dependent people using toxic drugs because of border shut downs, people especially the elderly being isolated, and sedentary, dying of loneliness. Our children were shut out of their schools, and told that they might die, abused partners locked in with their abusers, the economy decimated, and a doubling of world poverty and a doubling of world child malnutrition. People will say that it was the politicians that did all this, but they rely on the support of the people, so all who knowingly supported them in these atrocities are complicit, and also to blame.
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2 hours ago, French Patriot said:
If real, NDE seems cruel to the dying. They get so close to answers and heaven, then the doorman slams the door shut in your face.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6172100/
While no two NDEs are the same, there are characteristic features that are commonly observed in NDEs. These characteristics include a perception of seeing and hearing apart from the physical body, passing into or through a tunnel, encountering a mystical light, intense and generally positive emotions, a review of part or all of their prior life experiences, encountering deceased loved ones, and a choice to return to their earthly life.
Doesn't seem cruel, or like a door slamming shut in their face.
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Since you have all the answers, and are so in touch with reality, what is your insight on near death experiences?
How to cripple a healthcare system
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Yes if they die being denied procedures that they were promised.