Zeitgeist

I don’t disagree. We should be doing it all, digging, processing, piping to our own refineries, and piping it to our ports for shipment to foreign markets. Trans Mountain will happen.

You’re going to face court challenges and perhaps much bigger Indigenous protests than we’ve had. You already had them in fact. We have not any civil wars in Canada. The US, a country born of revolution, has.

I’m tired of your superficial use of search engines. We see first hand and learn about Charter challenges in Canada. You have not.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/09/665994751/judge-puts-keystone-xl-pipeline-on-hold-pending-further-environmental-study

Puerile criticism, heavily on insult, short on substance.

You clearly haven’t read up on the major barriers to Keystone contruction in US states. My understanding is that Keystone is on the back burner because of state and indigenous resistance. Prove otherwise.

Well let’s see if the RCMP uphold the law and ensure work can proceed.

Get Keystone through your states before you criticize Canadian challenges. You’re getting major Indigenous opposition to Keystone. Has Trump given up?

Sure it can be done. Someone just has to make the case of a violation of a Charter right. That doesn’t necessarily mean it will be upheld. Right now the project is held up in NEB hearings. I hope and think the project will go ahead. But it will likely face more challenges. You need to read about ongoing environmental questions, Indigenous concerns, even some concern about damage to homes. Right now it’s about marine issues. Whales.

Do I think a Charter challenge would work for BC? No. But they can try. If they win, the notwithstanding could be applied. The Charter uses generalities that can be referenced in a Charter challenge, such as Section 7 - Life, liberty and security of person. 7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice

You do the math. I already know the answer.

Ha ha. Read the Charter. All the rights are listed. Environmental safety is easily read into the Charter.

Trans Mountain comes under federal jurisdiction. It is being challenged in the court on the basis of environmental safety, which is protected by the Charter. If the people of BC challenge the pipeline on that basis, it would go to a higher court, federal. The only way out for the government at that point is the notwithstanding clause.

If the province doesn’t approve the pipeline, it will be overruled by a higher court in the basis of jurisdiction. Alberta could challenge BC on that basis. It’s not a notwithstanding clause matter unless BC tries to say that the pipeline trounces on a Charter right, which might happen on an environmental safety basis. It’s about whales right now.

You can if it gets a constitutional challenge with regard to federal jurisdiction. Technically the feds could ram the pipeline through because it has right of federal jurisdiction to do so. It could even take on Quebec. It’s a matter of political manoeuvre. If the government of BC can no longer afford to subsidize tuitions or provide ferry services, it might see the pipeline differently. Pipelines that cross provincial boundaries come under federal jurisdiction and are regulated by the National Energy Board.

So make the courts in BC approve Trans Mountain and tell Quebec to approve Energy East. Coal? Is anyone really into that anymore with all the cleaner natural gas? C’mon.

What a white wash. I don’t even have to try. Lynchings, KKK, assasination, segregation, right into the mid-20th century? Fucking terrible. And still we see “White Pride” bullshit. Protect your minorities. I love that new Dem rep. who said about Trump last week, “We’re going to impeach that motherfucker!” Trump has stirred old racist resentments and xenophobia.

Slavery was banned in the British Empire, including Canada, long prior to the US, in case you’re comparing civil rights cred. I’d rather be black in 1950’s Canada than 1950’s America by a country mile.

You can’t blame the feds for BC’s radical environmentalist government. The feds have come to the party big time by buying the pipeline. The next move is using the notwithstanding clause to overrule the courts, which I hope Trudeau has the balls to do. He may not be the guy who can do it given his dad’s history with Alberta. If Trudeau wants to surprise everyone, this is the time. Energy East’s problem is Quebec’s not in my backyard stance.

How has Trudeau lost Alberta money? He doubled down on the Trans Mountain pipeline by essentially having the federal government buy it. Alberta is up against BC, which is blocking Trans Mountain through the courts. BC is really taking Alberta down. Indigenous protesters are even disrupting the liquified natural gas pipeline. The BC government is a disaster and Quebec isn’t helping. Alberta is also suffering from the reduction in oil prices due to overproduction worldwide.

Trudeau is really trying with the West. Quebec always gets a certain amount of appeasement. Ontario is the giving tree that gets ignored. Remarkably, people keep coming to Ontario. BC is la la land. The Maritimes are an expensively maintained historic ocean playground. I don’t really mind. PEI is a slice of heaven. Never been to Newfoundland but it looks beautiful.

Confederation was a dream that was connected to the building of the Canadian National railway, the control of territory through the RCMP, biculturalism, the ending of the family compacts, and the settlement of the Prairies, which came after BC. Canada East and West were steppingstones. There’s a lot to Confederation.

Ask Doug Ford if Ontario and Quebec are working together right now. Pipelines? Cancelled new French university in Ontario? Doug is going it alone.

They get a disproportionately high number of seats for their population size.

You could say that about the east and west coasts of the US.