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Another contradictory act of the people who defends freedom of insult; 1) They illogically defends that they have right to insult others and they claim that others should control their negative feelings, should be like a robot against insults directed at them. 2) Insults are also an outward appearance of negative feelings. Why the people who claims having right to insult others dont control their negative feelings as they recommend others to do ? This is a contradiction and hypocrisy.

Kactus, you are making claims and you reject to back up your claims, because its highly probable you have zero knowledge of what you are talking about. You are just talking based on your imagine World which is supported by the false propaganda machines in your countries. If there is no logic, so science, I am not there. I tried my best to communicate with you but you just reject it. Now I will put you in ignore, sorry for you, bye...

Ash, I think I should put you in ignore again. You posted a link of a news done by a Western newspapers with a misleading title. You didnt even read or understand its content, I showed you the related part that the person is detained for insult crime. You still meant that its detained for not serving coffee. I really have no tolerance for dishonest persons. You are also supposed to be honest in forum rules. You are ignored, bye...

You are lying. According to the new constitution, presidency elections are done once in every 5 years. In the ex-constitution, it was once in every 4 years. Link: http://bit.ly/2hU58aX (Article 77) You will be ignored if you cant show me an official document that proves its done in every 12 years.

For example, what are his "extended" powers and what are the differences when compared to ex-constitution ? Please quote it from official sources. I really dont know, I am just interested to learn. Can you please prove your claim ? So yes there were unsigned papers that election officials forget to push a stamp and according to the election laws, they will be accepted as long as its not proven that these un-stamped papers comes from outside of the election building. Another point is many official observers from various parties and political backgrounds stands in and out of the voting centers. There is no chance for someone to bring a paper from outside and put it in the voting boxes. So your conspiracy theory needs some proofs and evidences. Please share if you have any. We will see more conspiracy theories because democracy didnt work for someone's interests. Kactus, you will be ignored if you cant show a proof for your claims.

This is not a private forum. This is a private owned public forum. Its open to anyone. The admins and moderators of this forum recognizes the logic and they prohibits insults. Because they logically recognizes that insults has no positive effects on freedom of speech and therefore its not a part of freedom of speech.

What is the positive sides of insulting someones when it comes to democracy ? What kind of benefits it has ? It should have some benefits that has an un-ignorable effects on the positive development of democracy.

Do you intend to go scientific or you just want to impose your believes here ? You believe that these guys are just "journalists" because of you are told so. I offer you to give me a name to research about him/her but appearently you reject it. We cant communicate in this way and I cant listen your stories all day long.

I also have explained in general that why he was jailed and how he was released back by another terror organization. I can share more articles if you are interested but now I am going to leave. I will write tomarrow.

Choose one you wish or I will choose. I also explained about Can Dundar for @Ash74. I also read the article which caused him to be kicked out from a pro-government newspaper. There happens an event in year 2011, a group of Kurds passes Turkiye-Iraq border illegally and Turkish F-16 drops a bomb on the head. 34 of them dies and 1 survives wounded. This "journalist" defend this illegal border passes in his article and newspaper kicks him away.

Thats the point, you cant insult others, please read the information exchange (one sided) between me and @bcsapper to learn more.

So now we are agree that it has bad effects on people, so it harm people and their life in a negative manner. Your freedom ends when you start to harm others. You cant throw your garbages in the middle of the road, because you are not allowed to harm others. You cant scream in the middle of the road all day long, because you are not allowed to harm others. You cant cut the threes in a park, because you are not allowed to harm others. You cant drink alcohol in public, because you are not allowed to harm others. You cant insult people, because you are not allowed to harm others.

Nope, please read your own article before copy-paste it. So he is arrested for insulting. The newspaper which you give link is also trying to create logical illusion. This is how they are washing your brains.

Here an example article; http://bit.ly/1PyugNu You would insult me if it was no affect on me but as I said, we are not robots, we have feelings. We dont have right to harm other people because we does not like them or does not like something about them.

Can you give me a single name from these 148 "journalists" who have been sentenced for "speaking" ? I think you talk about an issue which you dont have enough information but you only have stories written by newspapers.

We have to speak scientific. This is why I was asked you that whether or not we are agree on being insulted will cause someone to feel bad and will directly harm her/his life. If you say "no we are not agree", then I will try to put scientific articles on the table. Here we are supposed to share informations, I am not interested with believes or your mind. I am interested with facts.

Can you give a person as an example who been restricted to speak freely in Turkiye ? I also have asked to @Ash74 and he gave two criminals as an example.

Hmm, I am agree with you in some points. But we dont apply anything different than many countries who claims of being democratic applies. I have ideas about this issue and actually you could make some estimates about my idea if you read my "There is nothing to discuss" topic.

Right not to be offended ??? So this is like saying "I will shot you but try not to die, you dont have right to die". These insult laws are usually applied for deliberate personal attacks Anyone could insult in traffic when they face with a mistake, its a momentary reaction and is not planned or deliberate personal attack. These kind of details are not written in the constitution and it should be written.

Do you know the meaning of democracy ?

Can you show me an article from the new constitution that against the democracy ?

Are we agree that human beings are creatures with feelings and they will feel bad when they have been insulted ? If we are agree in this part, you legally have no right to harm another person. If you have a problem with me, you need to go to a court with your proofs and evidences. You dont have right to harm me just because of you dont like me.

People are free to express their ideas. Insults are not ideas but hate speeches. Your freedom ends when you start to violate other's rights. If you think that you have right to insult me, I have right to live in peace without being disturbed by others, you dont have right to attack me and disturb me just because of you want to do so. Its also forobidden in this forum because we all know that insult is not a part of freedom of speech.

In my country, insult is not accepted as a part of freedom of speech for the same reason why its not also accepted as a part of freedom of speech in this forum.

So first he is kicked from a pro-government newspaper which is named Milliyet. Then he started to work for a Western backed newspaper Cumhuriyet and he is given an "award" by Western countries for being against Turkish government. Then Western backed Gulen terror organization which is settled in all the areas of the government stopped vehicles of Turkish intelligence MIT which were carrying weapons to Syria. This is legally a crime, you cant intervene to the intelligence jobs. This journalist named Dundar and another one named Gul spreaded photos and documents related with the event, this is legally another crime. They have been sent to prison and they have been released back by Gulen terror organization. They escaped to abroad.