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On 2/17/2024 at 9:31 AM, Gaétan said:
What you talk about is money economy and i told you it didn't work and you confirmed that.
Doesn't work compared with WHAT?????? What I showed you was that when you took tokens of exchange out of an economy and replaced it with "volunatary" values it immediately had to revert to having tokens of exchange to work. Believe me when I tell you that as I sit here doing my 2023 taxes I really wish there was no such thing as money - since the halfwits we have elected have spent a few trillion dollars that I seem to be volunteering to pay out. The tokens I chose to hold onto 4 years ago are now able to purchase less than 1/2 of what I could get 2019.
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22 hours ago, Gaétan said:
I wait that you put link to back your opinion, if you get rid of money what would be the use of token or money? Why would you pay for something free with token?
I guess it is time to introduce to you something discovered many thousands of years ago: market economies. If you say to your volunteer furniture maker: " I want a table", since he volunteered to be a furniture maker he may - or may not - make you a table. Since we have placed no value on his table and no value on his work you will get whatever he wants or he can produce. When you get your table and it falls apart you are going to be pissed when you find out he never met anyone's standards as a qualified furniture maker - or the materials his volunteer material supplier gave him since they had no value are nothing but a crapshoot. The way market economies evolved is realizing what value consumers place on the work of suppliers - and that value is what is rewarded by how many tokens of exchange are offered. Market economies (that is PRODUCTIVE market economies for actual goods and services, not Casino Capitalist markets that are no more than a gamble on a false valuation of a token the already exists).
Let me once again take you back to reality. I cite Communist economies because in many, things are just assigned to you based on what the ruling party volunteers to give to you. In '70s Moscow, my Uncle was given a B&W TV for the apartment given to him so his family could enjoy life in Russia. Made them most popular family on the block. When it stopped working, he called the TV shop (no money exchanged hands)and the repairman volunteered to come when it suited him, so my Aunt had to stay home from her job at US Embassy to let him in. Guy turned it on and off, plugged in and out, smacked it with palm of his hand for a few minutes and picture with sound returned. Aunt was happy and worker returned to his office. A few weeks later, it failed again so this time my Uncle stayed home from his job at Canadian Embassy to deal with the "free"service volunteered by the state. Repairman showed up, but my Uncle asked him where his tool bag and spare parts were? He replied that they were at the shop and repeated the plug, switch, slap and curse routine my Aunt witnessed. No go. Uncle asked him why he didn't bring tools to fix, so was he going to take it back to his shop. Guy answered "no, you have to put in a request for a new one". Unc asked him why do they not fix it? He says "Not possible, no spare parts". Then he asked how long and was told "maybe a year or two".
THAT was a literal example of a genuinely cashless society. If you don't have a means of exchange and a marketplace ha can express the value - that means you need tokens of value - it simply doesn't work.
Worth noting: that in time Russia did use tokens of exchange (there WAS a ruble economy, but not all items changed ownership or services granted with money) but all embassy people were expected when travelling to Western world to bring back blue jeans, ball point pens, Bic lighters, etc. and sell them to the black market. The tokens of exchange? US Greenbacks - since the Russian Ruble tokens represented a value that the state volunteered it to be thus no market determind but STATE determined value. The genuine test of that value was the underground economy that used the ultimate token of value placed by markets globally - the US Dollar.
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My turn to feed the troll?
All of those things in OP's first ever post (yeah....right) are true - but the measure of a country is far greater than any of the transient conditions. To make this very simple: I measure a country by a few simple standards. One is how it has treated POWs and how it treats detainees. I have worked in many countries and experienced many "tests" of personal rights and freedoms, but one week in Hereford TX particularly sticks in my mind. We were staying at a small motel with an outside pool in a 110 degree F summer outdoor work situation. There was a very well dressed late middle aged woman at breakfast each day - clearly NOT from TX. After a few days of hearing her accent, I approached her to ask if she was from Switzerland. She chuckled and replied: "very close, I live on Lac Maggiore just West of Lugano." She was an English Prof over to research a book she was writing about her Father's experiences in WWII. He was a Fascist. When the Allied forces rolled in, most Italian soldiers just changed their rifles for Enfields and pointed them in the opposite direction, but the hard core fascist officers were arrested and sent of to POW camps - and her Father's was near Hereford. The prisoners were treated extremely well, and often taken out on holidays to local homes for parties, celebrations, etc. Many managed to claim sanctuary after the war and stayed in USA. She wanted to meet and understand the society that treated their "enemies" in that manner.
My other related story is my own Father's. He was a munitions worker for most of WWII and not allowed to enlist. He wore the system down and managed to sign up late in '44 - and promptly came down with pneumonia in boot camp - so spent the rest of the war as a POW guard. When he served as artillery instructor in the '60s he had a ready made family of very good friends - his former prisoners.
If you want to understand the US (and to some extent Canada) find some POWs who survived other countries and see if you can spot the differences. THEN you will understand why I live here and gladly do most of my business in USA - even with all of its (and our) problems.
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9 hours ago, Gaétan said:
The Soviet Union couldn't work because they use money ans so is the capitalism and people are rewarded by the work of others in a non money system. There is no need of a direct reward but undirect. We get rid of money and people work as usual all we have to do is to not use money.
I can sympathize with your desire to see a much happier, safer, healthier egalitarian eutopia - and it would work just fine for everything in it - except for the people. If you eliminate "money" people will just as they have for millenia just choose another token to facilitate exchange. If money was not the core of the economy (as was the case in '90s Russia) violence simply replaces how those with greed as motivation chose to manage their surroundings.
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6 hours ago, Gaétan said:
Thanks for the links. What they say (in summary) is people who volunteer formally are healthier and happier than those who do not. Now, if we elevate that to hard science (that IMHO excludes social science) we would have to know the causal chemistry and magnitude of happiness and wellness. You would need to read the references below the links to see how, how much and how well this was done. I have lived with someone trained in psych and she would tear your conclusions and probably much of the reference work to shreds. Mostly because you have concluded that people who volunteer as a tiny subset of what they do with their lives would all be happier and healthier if they had no way to pursue their individual goals because they could only volunteer - and HAD to do nothing but volunteer. Kind of misses the point about who would decide who volunteers for what, how they are rewarded and how you could actually make such a non-economy work (as I pointed out about Russia - fell apart big time and organized crime simply filled the vacuum.
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29 minutes ago, Gaétan said:
I am not proposing a system like the Soviet one. This system used the currency, not mine. A currency system is not a good system, no matter what you call it.
Please repeat the link you cited. I haven't got time today to go through whole thread. Sorry I hadn't read that before - bit crazy around here.
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On 2/11/2024 at 12:02 PM, Gaétan said:
It is not necessary to read your bull shit about communist, i put the necessary link you just have to read it.
So, what do YOU call your fantasy system if not communist (i.e. state owning the means of production)? Better yet, what does all of the "science" you claim defines this call this cashless social system?
In the real world, we have been there. When USSR collapsed their version of communism reverted to anarchy. Then, their currency collapsed and became worthless - so what you want so badly actually existed. Did "the people" just volunteer to get everything done? Naaawwww, but the oligarchs were borne then since they were those who had means of communication, command structure, weapons and ammunition. You can bet your bottom dollar (if you had any cash in your cashless world, that is) the government under Gorbachev issued a new currency in a hurry - because nobody was able to do anything without tokens of exchange.
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On 2/9/2024 at 11:02 AM, Gaétan said:
You say that it is a pleasure to work for money but it is not back up by science. It is just lies.
I am still waiting for you to cite some of this "science" from credible sources.
BTW: let me give you a good example of how even your beloved Communist systems RELY on currency to get the results needed. When I shared an office inside of a medical university in China some of the old profs shared a concept with me that in some places and some times was deployed with great success. Doctors were given a slate of names when they graduated, and they were paid for all who were healthy and alive. Instead of practicing just sick care, they were extremely aware of health care as it gave them income at an age when they were raising their family, tapering off as their patient block died off from age. It was nothing but MONEY that made this possible and effective. You see, when people were left to just do what THEY wanted in a state-owned (or Emperor owned) society, they went for the maximum benefit, not some altruistic ideal. Even when ordered to do something, it seldom worked, but when PAID to do it, it often worked quite well.
BTW when it comes to "science" you must first realize I/you/we can find "science" that backs ANYTHING you wish to have supported. Why? Because scientist are generally whores who will kiss anyone and tell them how much the love them (or their ideas) as long as they are getting paid.
Sex. Pride. Greed and Fear. Until you understand that, you won't know how anything is going to work (or not)
Take away currency or "money" and the human animal will just find another token to use in its place - as we have done for thousands of years.
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On 12/19/2023 at 5:53 PM, herbie said:
Using the 'notwithstanding' clause actually means he knows it's wrong but is gonna do it anyway. Not because he thinks it's righteous, because he thinks it might be popular.
Uh...gee, that IS what democracy is supposed to be about. The MAJORITY rules, not the fringes of radical looney minorities. We've got our Federal government to piddle away trillions doing more of that.
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10 hours ago, Gaétan said:
This is not the case in real life, you just say that but it is back up by something, not studies anyway.
Wow, you completely missed the fact that this IS "real life" and it is "backed up" by entire disciplines of social studies.
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When I do business in the rest of the world, I am now ashamed to admit to be Canadian. The car theft thing is a joke. Organized crime has a field day here stealing/exporting cars, importing drugs, running prostitution rings and so on. They do this because they KNOW they are not likely to get caught and will never have to bother paying tax on their income. Not just a Liberal problem, but their soft on crime, catch and release, etc. policies sure as Hell don't help fix anything
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On 2/5/2024 at 8:11 PM, Gaétan said:
This is exactly the contrary, it is impossible to run the world with money, can't you see that most people on earth live in misery and unhappy. Even in Canada most people are unhappy to go to work in the morning it is because there is no gratification to work for money.
I feel sorry for you if your life is so devoid of meaning. I know literally hundreds of people who absolutely love their work, and many more - such as myself - who left situations that DIDN'T satisfy them to do something they truly love and enjoy. We have 2 children who both are doing exactly what they like with their lives and if they have learned anything from us they would simply do something different if what they do now stopped being their passionate pursuit.
You would know that you really enjoy your work when the actual earnings really don't matter to you. Our eldest is probably paid 20% of what she COULD earn (4 degrees plus a bunch of other qualifications) because she is doing exactly what gives her most joy and satisfaction.
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5 hours ago, Gaétan said:
For unbelievers the earth doesn't warm up, they'll never believe science and the communists that we know used money.
Who said anything about "the earth doesn't warm up"????? If you are referring to one of my posts, READ THE DAMN THING and find out that real scientists simply present the facts that there is no scientific evidence that anthropomorphic carbon emissions are related to WHY the Earth has been changing climate - as it has done constantly for the last several billion years. I suppose if you can't understand something that simple it explains why you think people will simply "volunteer" magnanimously to do what they are paid for today.
OF COURSE the communists we know used money - as it is literally impossible to run an economy and society without tokens of exchange. People figured that out about 5,000 years ago.
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14 hours ago, Gaétan said:
This is not what the science says because the more difficult is your work, the more happy you are while doing voluntarily work and nobody force you to do any work where you are not volunteer because everything is free of charge you don't have to work to have everything others have, this is the contrary in a society of money.
What "science" saying that is from a credible source? Please remember the real world has seen many Marxist states where the state owns everything and everyone is supposed to sit around the firepit and sing Kumbaya to celebrate. When Chairman Mao took the farmland away from individual, greedy farmers and gave it for free to everyone in the wonderful Communist country as many as 100 million people starved to death. NOBODY steps up and volunteers to do actual work. You socialist eutopia has been proven over and over again to be a dismal failure.
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Interesting video (that few people will sit for 48 minutes to hear). For those who really want to know the genuine threats to climate and even life as we know it on this planet, spend some time on this site: https://goesfoundation.com/ It explains exactly the hows and whys.
In summary, pollution is the real problem and plastics are the largest single source. CO2 emissions are not even close to the problem - as also pointed out in the OP's link.
As usual, when you want to understand why we do things - follow the gold. The CO2 thing comes from the UN and Euroweenies who dislike the oil industry but LOVE to use "research" money to build consensus in pseudo science for why to build Li Ion batteries, BEVs, but the REALLY big ones - trading carbon credits and offsets.
The sad part is: we are so intellectually lazy nobody bothers to question and learn WTF is going on around us.
(on edit) I should have added this on first go-around but for those who actually care to look, read and THINK it through, here is a very detailed explanation from a Swedish engineer (one of my now deceased close friends was a mentor to this guy - who went on the design a bunch of revolutionary airplanes - including the first one to circumnavigate the Earth unrefueled and nonstop).
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If you REALLY give a damn about this topic, take a look at the "most wanted" lists region by region. You will find a huge portion of those individuals are clearly immigrants or from immigrant families from cultures that are - to say the least - not exactly of same value set as the population of this country over most of the last two centuries. Another significant group is aboriginal Canadians, but less so on the "most wanted" list as they simply walk in and out of the Liberal "catch and release" system only pausing to stab a few dozen people along the way (as happened in SK last year) that takes them off of the "most wanted" list.
With $1.4 TRILLION in racked up debt from buying votes with future taxpayers' money there is no consequence for doing so, thus we "voters" get what we deserve - i.e. what we elected. The country has become a failed nation/state and we are along for the ride.
Worth noting that the US, EU and UK have similar problems with globalized and looney left virtue signaling immigration, violent crime, drugs and debt as we do.
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Don't forget that Israel started their formal presence as a nation state by pretty much a terrorist attack on the people who lived in the Palestinian region under British control. Didn't exactly start off on the right footing. The other thing to consider is that the Jewish population balooned from immigration while he Muslim population reproduced at a stunning rate - so this tiny bit of desert is stuffed to the gunwhales with population. SOMETHING has to give.
So, you don't like the two state option: what do you propose as a workable solution???
BTW: something I have yet to understand: where did he money come from to build out the infrastructure of Gaza? To house and service 2 million people who produce essentially nothing except more children takes on crap ton of cash.
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On 1/31/2024 at 7:13 PM, Army Guy said:
This has been going on for decades, and most sane people wonder why the rest of the world can not see the bias in a organization that has been taken over and run by 3 rd world countries...maybe it is time to drop out of the UN, that seems to have more failed organization than ones that are working for a better world.
Bingo: unfortunately the case that the UN has become a massive 3rd world dominated bureaucracy funded by first world nations. In the case of Gaza/Palestine the thousands of UN employees that prop the place up could not possibly avoid employing some very hard line Paleo/Hamas supporters. To find only 12 is total BS.
By the same token showing the total ineffectuality of the UN: the two state solution has faltered horribly with Israeli "settlers" taking over the West Bank. To think a sea of Jews is somehow going to tolerate two islands of people brought up to hate their very existence is naive in the extreme.
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On 2/2/2024 at 1:34 PM, Gaétan said:
There is no need of tokens or money because people in a system of no money do voluntarily work and no people will sell guns because as no money exist there is no profit to make with it.
Yeah, right. People will just "volunteer" to work their ass off for nothing. Reality is: you end up with the ultimate Marxist society where government owns the means of production and you do what you are told, when your are told, how you are told and do not question authority. You see, very few people are ever going to volunteer for the really difficult jobs and when they don't get done SOMEONE has to step in - i.e. those who "volunteered" themselves to be government. Think about this: you come down with cancer and you think the qualification to treat you is going to come from someone who has volunteered to be a doctor? Good luck with that one. Come to think of it: with our current Liberal immigration policy, we are getting scary close to the latter situation.
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On 1/4/2024 at 6:09 PM, Zeitgeist said:
Our federal government is inflated and intervening far beyond its jurisdiction.
One must first understand what the entire purpose of governments sticking their nose deep into money in-money out interference in marketplaces and the economy. Splash a bunch of taxpayers' money around with the excuse you are trying to save the world - and that creates a path back into a lot of back pockets that your political organization and leadership can cash in on. NOTE: IT IS NOT ONLY A LIBERAL PROBLEM. Any government that has run this country $1.5 TRILLION in debt has no business doing ANYTHING but paying off the portion of this debt they created - by real time taxation. Carbon tax is meant to buy votes, not fix any concept climate "protection".
When I see ANY politician or bureaucrat recognizing that the ONLY thing effective they can do is to REDUCE all of the things we do to crap in our own nest, not spew endless nonsense about how doing MORE is somehow going to fix anything but their personal bank account THEN I will take them seriously.
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at $34 trillion and counting it does somewhat resemble an elaborate Ponzi scheme. The banks long ago took over legislating, regulating and enforcing (or not) ANYTHING to do with financial law, policy and crime. They started infiltrating levels of government in 1934 and "too big to fail" was demonstration that Goldman Sucks actually runs everything to do with economic law, policy and administration in the USA. They will simply reward thenselves with endless "money for nothing:" (i.e. speculative gain) in the hopes they will inflate the economy so badly that the $34T debt will be service and possibly at some time paid off by money so devalued that it will easily be covered by the asset value of the nation.
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Food, clothing, office supplies - almost all consumables would have a Costco name on them. Weekly trip for wife and eldest daughter (4 boys, so supplies used up quickly). What clothing Costco doesn't supply wife or kids make. Same for garden produce. I strongly approve of Costco business model and trust them to save us a bunch of time, trouble and money by doing the source shopping for us.
Automotive - WVAG since I have driven, fixed, sold, etc. since 1967. I understand what they try to do and can put up with the times they don't quite get it right. Heavier stuff: class 3,4,5 trucks Cummins/Ram and Class 7 & 8 Detroit power. Aviation: AA and then Grumman American - believe in their design philosophy and a lot of experience with them. Avuation piston power: Lyc for little things, P&W for bigger ones and now Weslake for things to come.
Hand tools: Stahlwille, Mac, Knipex, Vessel, Wera, Wiha - mostly German for me. Welding equipment: All blue except one - Miller has been exceptionally good for me over the years.
Didn't realize how brand sensitive I seemed to be until this thread.
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On 9/28/2023 at 5:16 PM, eyeball said:
From the article';
A recent RAND study found that if the U.S. had remained as equitable as it was in 1975 for the next 43 years through 2018, the bottom 90 percent of Americans would have earned an extra $47 trillion. Instead that money flowed in a great flood to the top.
Tax the rich I've always said...over and over for years. Is it too late or have they squirreled it all away up in the Cloud or Elysium or something?
It is not "the rich" that need taxation - it is speculative gain - as it creates no wealth but drives inflation that dillutes the value of money for everyone. Make me in charge for one day and I can fix this: 99% over first month, 95% over one year reducing by 5% for he term of the flip each year until reaching a nominal flat tax rate. Only "progressiveness" would be basic PERSONAL exemption = COL. To make an economy work, "investment" needs to be in productive use of capital, not merely speculation of already placed equity. And, of course, deriviatives and any other synthetic instruments would be a criminal offense.
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21 hours ago, Gaétan said:
A system that facilitates the enrichment of one minority and thus causes misery to others must be eliminated. You need to get rid of the tools that make it easier to maintain inequality and favor those that do the opposite, simple logic. If people could buy guns anywhere without restrictions, it would make it easier for criminals to do their jobs, it's the same with money
The "system" you refer to is not money, it is regulation of financial institutions, corporate governance and taxation. "Money" will be in each and every iteration of ANY system, as tokens are needed for exchange - again as others have clearly explained. On the other comment: people CAN and DO buy guns without virtually no restrictions - just not from the normal, legal retail route. Criminal's job would be extremely easy with no tokens to pay people for services such as fire and police.
300 Muslim organizations demonstrate why Canada should end immigration from Muslim countries
in Federal Politics in Canada
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I have a very simple take on this crap: if your life revolves around some religious belief LEAVE CANADA and to and live in your host Theorcracy. The last thing a country with trillions of dollars of debt needs is people wasting time and resources with their cult fascination. Any government (don't care what party) that is so stupid as to invite people from truly incompatible cultures into our country deserves to be out on their
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