Derek 2.0

So you'd prefer the sicko exposing himself to little boys? The Americans, like us here, already have laws aimed at protecting children from sickos.......I really think such laws are a solution looking for a problem.

I hear what you're saying..........you'd rather said pervert not change around little girls, but little boys instead How about we lock perverts up in prison?

I agree, he was clearly doing them wrong......

Of course there isn't such a right......in the case of Homolka she wasn't convicted of a sex crime (though she clearly should have been), likewise (if she had of been convicted of a sex crime) she was convicted prior to the creation of the sex offender registry, which isn't retroactive. ---------- As to the public registry of all violent criminals, that is clearly another debate...........if we're going to publicize the location of sex offenders once they're released, why not murders, wife beaters, cops convicted using excessive force and bozos that start fights at bars? In the case of Homolka, or any person convicted of a violent crime, upon release don't they have some expectation of privacy? If there is a concern of violent felons committing crimes upon their release from prison then clearly our Justice/Corrections system is letting us down..if not, upon release, previously convicted felons should be afforded the same rights to privacy as everybody else....... ......In the case of Homolka, in my opinion, her and her family should be left alone regardless of what I feel about her past crimes........if we don't like the results of our legal system, the onus is on us to change it.

Fair enough, that is breaking news: If true, that's not only a punt of planned future programs into next decade, but truly a regression for the armed forces......not good news........so does this count as a broken promise on the Trudeaumeter? edit to add: In the case of the of the Cyclones, that could be the mission software/anti submarine systems.

The Cyclones are already paid for and a portion of the fleet already in Canada.......there has been nothing to suggest this Government will reverse or even intentionally delay their introduction into service.

I love bitching and moaning about the Liberals, even more so over the Sea Kings, but that is not factually true........crews are already transitioning out of the Sea Kings and into the Cyclones, with the last Sea King expected to be retired in ~2020-2021.

In all honesty I have no idea........but what the Waldo is continually remiss in offering is context.......If for example, the block 4 software is delayed several years, is a block 3 F-35 still an improvement in the interim over existing legacy aircraft for the end users? In the case of the already in service F-35B, as cited countless times, the USMC considers their interim aircraft vast improvements over existing legacy Hornets (which are clapped out) and subsonic Harrier IIs (also clapped out). In the context of Canada, assuming the GoC elects to purchase the F-35 in ~2020-2021 to replace our current Hornets, assuming ~2-3 years following to replace the entire fleet out to ~2024-2025, does it mater to Canada if the block 4 software were to be delayed several years? The question you should be asking, assuming block 4 software is delayed several years, is if the F-35A (with block 3 software) is an improvement until block 4 software arrives over (then) ~40 year old Hornets that trace their roots to the 1970s....... Furthermore, again context, are existing legacy aircraft and their various production blocks, including our Hornets from when purchased to their upgrades that brought them near to F/A-18 C/D standards in the 2000s.........you're arguing against future (concurrent) upgrades to the F-35 versus legacy types that have or are nearing the end of future growth potential........The Motorola StarTac versus some future version of the IPhone.....

I didn't say that, but stay within the program.......in theory, Canada wouldn't be forced to buy anything, but stay within the F-35 program. No, the F-35 has never been entered into any Indian program. Talks vice actual procurement and participation in Chinese programs........now if buy partners with the Russians you mean the purchasing of Chinese Russian knock-offs I'll grant you that.

No........because the F-35 was never entered into an Indian program. No, Israel weighs little in restrictions placed on Indian sales........and you're confusing the dance partners, Russia/India and Pakistan/China.........India, a decades long client of the Russians, has slowly started to see the light recently and is shifting towards the West and their own domestic industries. With India, the biggest concern, was their insistence for full technology transfer to HAL.....which no partners get, as it would defeat the purpose of the global synergies of a continually upgraded, to (near) same aircraft for all the partners.

Again, you're confusing the issue, as has been cited countless times, its predicated on Canada remaining in the program.....And no, it has nothing to do with enhancing our own industry, but receiving offsets by said sellers.....When we purchased the Hornets, part of the corporate horse trading saw offsets exchanged between McDonnell Douglas and General Mills defense division, resulting in Olive Garden and Red Lobster expanding into Canada........another example, IIRC for one of the suppliers on the Halifax class, resulted in a Ontario company that makes garbage bins supplying said company's needs for dumpsters and blue bins.........As noted, Lockheed already has a large footprint in Canada, with over 30 subs producing portions of the F-35, resulting in ~billion dollar impact already on our economy......and they haven't even entered full production nor Canada order any aircraft. Pratt Whitney Canada's parent, United Technologies was able to repay the GoC a billion dollars early (with money gained by the sale of Sikorsky to Lockheed), I assume that helped with the tight budget this year........funny enough, P&W Canada makes engine parts for not only the F-35, but also Bombardier's troubled C-Series.....further to this chain, Lockheed and Bombardier have teamed up to enter the USAF's JSTARS program.......

Drifting back onto topic........with this Government, if they eventually select replacements for our Hornets, Canadian content and economic benefits will be the deciding factor........In this case, yet another feather in the cap of the F-35: Right now, no Canadian company is producing wing components for the Super Hornet, Falcon, Eurofighter or the Rafale.....in addition: Boeing, Dassault, Saab or Airbus aren't in discussions with any Canadian companies over the expansion of their 4th generation aircraft lines in Canada......because they aren't producing portions of their fighter programs in Canada, employing Canadians in a hightech and well paying industry. Rue the Government that takes away those high paying jobs............funny enough, the current MP of the blue collar riding that Avcorp is located in......... a first time Liberal MP.

I agree with urban dwellers, but not for rural people with longish commutes (in areas's where storms knock out the power in winter for example)..........if we hadn't of been storing my daughter's truck, we'd have had to borrow or rent a car when we lost power for several+ days........ Also, their traction control (Tesla) is really sensitive......the thing sucked in the snow........the 1/2" slush snow Metro Vancouver gets.......good luck in real snow........likewise, real cold temps do effect the battery life......in Metro Vancouver, we had a few days when it went down to -3 during daytime, and you could see the battery life just sinking......overnight, we did keep it in our heated garage..........good luck in parts where it actually gets cold.

Nail.Head.Hammer..........We moved from the city to the rural Wet Coast.........Tesla's are no good when you're without power for three days...... large branches on or near the side of the road after a storm screw with the car's safety features, and though never stopped the car, slows it down.......not very popular with a logging truck behind you

A couple points from a previous Tesla owner (well my wife's car) - The acceleration in the Sports version P85 was no different from any other higher end luxury car......and not much better than her previous Cadillac ESV, which though it handled like a dishwasher at speed, still how balls when you put the spurs to it.......probably why North American police departments use its cousin as a highway interceptor........but I digress.........my wife's current Camaro blew the doors off it, and a Camaro isn't an exotic.......run one against a Lambo and the Model's S governor would kick in before the Italian Stallion got out of 5th......... -Range was the main reason we sold it, and we found the battery life itself was crapping out after just ~2 years owning it......resulting in further reduced range and longer charging (we had the supercharger wired in our previous home, but not our current one mind you). -Autopilot? Never heard of it or seen any offered updates (we sold our's over a year ago now mind you), it had park assist......but then so to do most sedans now.......Tesla's was nothing to jump up and down over, and it peeled off the front bumper (or so my wife says) which brings us to Tesla's biggest fault: -Service.......the people are really friendly, when you can talk to someone. We had a service plan where they came to us (we then lived in Metro Vancouver)......from Seattle (Vancouver now has a service center)......when they had to fix the bumper they brought up a loaner (kinda expect that for $130000 car), but still its a pain in the ass.........when my wife's Cadillac had a few issues we brought to the dealer 20 minutes away and also got a loaner........You wanna put snow tires on you Tesla? Better let Tesla do it, since the car will have to be calibrated after.... My biggest complaint was service and I think that will be Tesla's biggest weakness going forward.........forget the niche high end market, if Tesla owners buying this new "cheap" Tesla and Tesla is unable to support the product timely, that could damage the "brand"............. You want to buy an electric? Buy Chev/Nissan/VW......companies that have a worldwide supply chain and trained mechanics at their dealers......dealers that are probably already in your community.........I wouldn't recommend a Tesla (yet).......you want one cheap? Check the BC Auto Trader, there's plenty used, in some cases, only two years old and $40K cheaper

Oh, so you didn't have a point........other than to say things cost less in the 1950s then compared to the present.......

Sure, and they will.........as I said there is zero certainty over which other aircraft will still be in production. I don't know that Indian production and quality control really screams out to me.........none the less, my point, a Hornet/Rafale/Falcon production line, sold to the Indians and continued by the Indians, has zero benefit for the Canadian aerospace industry. It doesn't mater what Lockheed or the DoD do, no administration approval through the State Department, no F-35....hence why the aircraft was never entered in the program the Rafale won.........Same principle with the F-22.....Lockheed/Boeing would have loved to export it to F-15 users, likewise the USAF which would have seen its purchase price reduced......law makers say no way, no how, the the Lockheed and the USAF's wishes are moot. As to the Indian navy, they recently purchased Russian Migs....one would assume additional aircraft for their navy in the interim would be additional MIGs....or the naval version of the Rafale.......

What a scam indeed.......the above cited F-86 Sabre would cost ~$2 million a copy in today's dollars, quite pricey for an aircraft armed with a handful of machine guns, a good thing though considering you'd need several fighter wings, with hundreds of aircraft to complete the same task a single fighter squadron of a dozen+ aircraft could do today.........likewise, my father bought (in 1964) a 1959 Buick Electra for $3000, which is crazy and would be like paying ~$20-25k now for a five year old family sedan...........Inversely, the latest Apple smartphone today would have only cost ~$90 back in the 1950s, what a steal, considering a smartphone then would be the most powerful computer on the planet...........I wonder what the average family home cost back in 1950........ Isn't inflation fun?

Where did I say that? The F-35 is the only aircraft guaranteed to be in production in ~2021+ Assuming one of said aircraft wins, the Indian requirement is for domestically produced aircraft......in the case of the American aircraft, licensed production agreements with HAL in India, and the transfer of production tooling to the Indians as the American lines close...........does Canada (and our aerospace industry) little good unless we're seeking Indian produced aircraft....... And you would be wrong, as the US State Department said "no way, no how" to the sale of advanced stealth technology to South Asian and Arab nations, hence why the F-35 was never offered or entered into any Indian program..........likewise why they have refused to offer it to Persian Gulf States.............the end result, the Indians and Pakistan have joined with Russian and Chinese stealth programs, and the Arabs have been selecting the Eurofighter and Rafale........largely shutting out American legacy aircraft sales to the region.

That could be true, they could be one of the last Guard units granted a reprieve by ISIS/Congress finding funding recently, but without a doubt the majority have completed their transition to Predator/Reaper drones,........none the less, the point still stands, even going back to A-10 operations during the Cold War, all end users (past and present) are supported by the 355th Fighter Wing, since the 1970s, based at Davis-Monthan Arizona.....the same group I linked to above. That's subject Waldo, as noted in countless threads over the years, unlike legacy aircraft, from the start, the F-35 was intended to encompass continual upgrades through its life. As noted countless times, throughout the life of the program.................unlike current legacy aircraft, that receive differing production blocks incorporating new technology (i.e. F/A-18 A/B, F/A-18 C/D, F/A-18 E/F, EA-18G), the three versions of the F-35 will receive continual upgrades throughout their service lives........avoiding block obsolescence (like what happened to our Hornets by the time they were only a ~decade old) and happenstance (current USAF F-16s or F-15s being less advanced then current export versions)............ My "harping" is simply a response to the now present confirmation of what I said they would do before and after the election......punt........despite what certain members suggested to the contrary (IIRC you weren't one of them)........A Harper Government wasn't going to buy Hornet replacements in this mandate, a Mulcair Government the same, but what is now confirmed, the Liberals aren't either........which throws on its ear their suggestion they were going to hold a competition with other aircraft.....when most, if not all of the alternative aircraft will no longer be in production in the early 2020s......that is not only within this mandate, but several years into the next one.

Not at all, that was all but confirmed when it was announced over a year ago that our Hornets were next in line for the center barrel replacement life extension to add another 3-5 years to the back end of their lives.......rumors of purchasing a handful of F-35s in 2017-2018 under a Harper Government aside, no Canadian Government was purchasing the entire replacements within this mandate............How do I know this? Simple there was no money put aside in this timeline, nor is there a requirement to purchase (F-35s) now, when the intent was to purchase them once they entered full rate production. Simply put, the only reason to move-up a Hornet replacement within this mandate would be if the Government intended to purchase one of the various aircraft that is currently in production now as an alternative, but won't be in four years time...........the Liberal's "re-profiling" of procurement money outward to the early 2020s is an indication they will either not replace the Hornets, purchase the F-35 or role the dice on one of the often cited "alternatives" still being in production..................The MND now won't go on record as counting out the F-35, we've stayed in the program and in a time of budget unrest still found millions in the sofa cushions to pay our next round of dues, and you just know lobbyists from the Canadian Aerospace sector, which represent a lot of voters in greater Montreal, are hammering the Trudeau Government.........

Your list is dated.......Outside of Arizona, which is the support and training hub for the entire fleet (easy when its based at the aircraft boneyard full of spares), there are active units in Georgia (dedicated to Special Operations and CSAR, which I said earlier, if funding is there, might receive something like the Tucano) and the aircraft based in Nevada at the test and evaluation establishment and a unit in South Korea. The rest of your list is dated, like Clinton Administration dated is some cases.............As such cited Guard Units, have either since been stood down, converted to older F-15s and F-16s post 9/11 for the NORAD mission or are Guard units that operated OA-10s and have since converted to the Predator/Reaper UAVs........ My point still stands, the A-10 establishment is Davis-Monthan centric and has been since it entered service (Arizona being home to major weapons ranges and Army/Marine desert warfare combat training centers) and all units outside of Arizona operating the A-10 (and ones that operated it in the past) went through Arizona.........and has been that way since the A-10 entered service several years after Vietnam and started replacing the A-7.......... When the A-10 fleet goes, its not certain what will replace it and the thousands of people associated with it at Davis-Monthan.......Luke AFB, also in Arizona is transitioning from the F-16 to the F-35A, likewise in Yuma Arizona, the Marines are transitioning from their Harriers to the F-35B..........but the slop bucket will be emptied somewhat when the A-10 goes........No politician likes base closures, job losses and the hit to the local economy in their home district.

There is nothing perceived, said concerns were confirmed during the First Gulf War........The A-10 hasn't been extended, but received investments to keep the aircraft flyable and continue to have the ability to operate next to a modern force........this is a reflection not in the ability of the A-10, but massive budget cuts in the 90s that prevented the USAF and Air National Guard units from replacing units flying even older types like F-4s and A-7s with the then latest block of the F-16. This continued onto the last decade that has seen several (current) A-10 squadrons loose their F-16s, to replace F-16s in the regular force, and get given sun baked A-10s that were stored in the desert. Do tell, why has said trend been present for decades among Western Forces? Who's reality? In my reality, for example, a deck of a US carrier 30 years ago had far many more types aboard then today.............reality isn't confirming what you're saying Bullshit.......how can it do a role well when it can't survive long enough to get to the location its needed to perform its role......the force got beat-up by the Iraqis 1991, operating on the outside edges of the battle era, against a force armed with Soviet air defense platforms from the 60s and 70s.......... How does an A-10 drop a precision weapon better than an F-15E or a Hornet? Inversely the F-15E/Hornet will be able to survive far longer then the A-10 if the people they are dropping bombs on are shooting back......... You know this how? Perhaps you should market your crystal ball skills......a wingnut in the back of a Toyota is just as dead from a smart munition dropped by a modern fighter as it is from an A-10........The same can't be said if the wingnut is actually semi -capable and has obtained modern Russian or Chinese SAMs or aircraft...... From the point of view of a few critical of the F-35.........in reality, when compared to the roles currently performed by the A-10 that it will replace, it doesn't need to do them in the same manner as the A-10, just achieve the same results or better.......... Where's an A-10 might engage a target with cluster bombs and a burp of 30mm, the F-35 will engage the same targets from over 30 miles away with self targeting smart munitions.........The A-10 might be a stable platform to act as a bird dog for other strike aircraft, but an F-35 will be able to target other platforms munitions (be they sub-surface, surface, land or air based) without itself or the other platforms being anywhere near visual range......in a semi contested battlefield, the A-10 will need a whole host of supporting aircraft to even have a chance of performing its mission, the F-35 will be a self-sustaining strike package.....etc So no, I get the point Waldo is trying to make, the problem is that its incorrect.........its akin to someone arguing over navies switching from sail to steam ~150 year ago, citing the problems associated coaling stations and expensive boilers and their upkeep.........it makes no sense. In the context of the Canada's Hornet replacement, even less sense, as any suggestion that the aircraft with all the bells and whistle will be delayed into the early 2020s makes no difference to Canada.........as we won't be purchasing anything until the early 2020s.

You can revert back to the tin-foil hat point all you want........the USAF has been trying to retire the A-10 long before the F-35 was even thought of..........30 years ago, the "debate" was exactly the same as today, just replace F-35 with A-16.........it doesn't change anything.

That is tin-foil hat dribble that predates not only the F-35, but the A-10 and goes back to the creation of the United States Air Force, taking away the army air force from the US Army.........there is nothing to figure. The current loudest A-10 advocate, the Chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, just happens to have the bulk of the current A-10 forces based in his home State...........