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[betsy]

Um.....who cares?

Your antics on a bulletin board 3 years ago are irrelevant to this topic and to 99.999% of the population.

Your antics in commenting on a topic to say you don't care about it is irrelevant to this topic and to 99.999% of the population.

I'd say to those who don't care about our discussion here......go! Shoooo!

[jbg]

Delay also pronounced that "our entire system is built on the Judeo-Christian ethic, but it fell apart when we started denying God. If you stand up today and acknowledge God, they will try to destroy you... My mission is to bring us back to the Constitution and to Absolute Truth that has been manipulated and destroyed by a liberal worldview."

*snip*

Former Presidential Candidate Pat Robertson (in Dover, Pennsylvania an entire group of fundamentalists whom wanted 'intelligent design' taught in the classroom were democratially voted off the schoolboard) "I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover, if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God. You just rejected him from your city, and don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin, and I'm not saying they will. But if they do, just remember you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, then don't askfor his help, because he might no be there."

*snip*

"I know this is painfl for the ladies to hear, but ifyou get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."

These quotes are entirely typical of a man who stood as a serious candidate for the Republican Party nomination for President. This isn't some wingnut off the street. This is a man with millions of supporters in the US.

*snip*

Reassuring, the Christian presence is not. It's the most disgusting malignant thing on the planet, along with every other religious label we slap on our children in the name of righteousness and morality.

I think you're mixing up Pat Robertson, a person with primarily religious interests, with Pat Buchanan (ex-Nixon speechwriter interested primarily in politics). I don't think either "Pat" was ever a likely Republican nominee.

That being said, the US's history has been one of toleration of Jews. There simply is no template here for the disaster that befell us in Europe.

If anything, all of our people, Jewish, Christian and Muslim, came to escape the religious and class lunacies of their countries. America is a land for bigger and better minds; thus, the term, the "brain drain". The brains drained here. Socialism up in your neck of the woods has sent more of them to the US than to Canada, though Canada has been graced with many of Europe's more motivated people and their descendants.

[cybercoma]

No, whom I meant was Pat Robertson, and although he may have been a 'longshot' for the leadership he did have over 3 million supporters in the United States. We're not talking a handful of people.

In September, 1986, Robertson announced his intention to seek the Republican nomination for President of the United States. Robertson said he would pursue the nomination only if three million people signed up to volunteer for his campaign by September, 1987. Three million responded, and by the time Robertson announced he'd be running in September 1987, he also had raised millions of dollars for his campaign fund. He surrendered his ministerial credentials and turned leadership of CBN over to his son, Tim. However, his campaign against incumbent Vice President George H. W. Bush was seen as a longshot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_robertson

Raising millions of dollars and being backed by over 3 million people (1% of the current population of the United States...yes, that's 1 person for every hundred), although a longshot, is no laughing matter. This is someone, and not a particularly unique someone in the US (considering 3 million supporter him), who unabashedly believes in a Christian Theocracy for America.

You don't seriously think the 'inferior Jews' (inferior in the twisted minds of Christians) would be treated equally in a theocratic US, do you?

And what of these labels? Walking down the street, would I know you're a jew, or would I think you're just another dude from New York? Regardless, the point is that there is a very serious contingent in US politics vying for a theocracy and they've held positions in Congress and the Supreme Court. These aren't fringe fanatics, these are the leaders of the nation that I've quoted. These are serious players that have clout.

Let's not forget the man who's in the White House as we speak said that God commanded him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. He's on a mission from God. This is the man who has his finger on "the" button.

So, I'm showing you that Jews (and Muslims, and Sikhs, and Buddhists, and _insert rest of religions here_) have most certainly NOT escaped religious and class lunacy. Please convince me otherwise because as far as I can tell, the only way it will end is when we stop this lunacy of labelling children as being of a certain religion (ideologies/convictions that they've never been able to think about or decide for themselves) when it is their parents who hold these intolerant and myopic ideas as sacred unquestionable faith.

[normanchateau]

I'm Jewish, but I find the annual rhythms of the season, including another religion's celebrations, reassuring.

It's a matter of timing and location. You would have felt differently in Spain 500 years ago, in Germany 70 years ago or in Iran today.

I live in the United States which, like Canada, has never brooked discrimination or violence against Jews. Thus, I find the Christian presence in and basis of both countries to be reassuring, not malignant.

Canada has never brooked discrimination against Jews? Unfortunately you are wrong. Source:

http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiho....html#_ftnref24

Here's just one quote from this source:

"An example of the attitude of the Canadian Government to Jewish Refugees is that of a senior Canadian official who, when asked after the war how many Jews would be allowed into Canada, said, "None, is too many." From the book by Irving Abella & Harold Troper, None Is Too Many, Toronto, Lester & Orpen, 1982.

As I said previously, it's a matter of timing and location.

[cybercoma]

I'm Jewish, but I find the annual rhythms of the season, including another religion's celebrations, reassuring.

It's a matter of timing and location. You would have felt differently in Spain 500 years ago, in Germany 70 years ago or in Iran today.

I live in the United States which, like Canada, has never brooked discrimination or violence against Jews. Thus, I find the Christian presence in and basis of both countries to be reassuring, not malignant.

Canada has never brooked discrimination against Jews? Unfortunately you are wrong. Source:

http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiho....html#_ftnref24

Here's just one quote from this source:

"An example of the attitude of the Canadian Government to Jewish Refugees is that of a senior Canadian official who, when asked after the war how many Jews would be allowed into Canada, said, "None, is too many." From the book by Irving Abella & Harold Troper, None Is Too Many, Toronto, Lester & Orpen, 1982.

As I said previously, it's a matter of timing and location.

Frederick Charles Blair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Charles_Blair

Mind you, there is no justification for what Blair did; however, he was merely echoing the attitude of Canadians at the time. Amazing how morals, within a generation, change, in spite of religion.

[cybercoma]

Here's a quote from Will Ferguson's Bastards and Boneheads: Canada's Glorious Leaders Past and Present

But while it would be nice to heap the blame solely on Blair, he was neither a rogue nor an anomaly. He was faithfully carrying out the policies of Prime Minister Mackezie King, who wanted "to keep this part of the Continent free from unrest and from too great an intermixture of foreign strains of blood."

In German territories, Jews were being sent to concentration camps and synagogues were being destroyed. Mackenzie King, marshalling all of his moral fortitude, decided that the time had come for hsi government to do---nothing. [sic] Jews would not be allowed into Canada. When pressed further, King said the issue was really a federal/provincial matter, and he would look into it. The main thing, said King, was to avoid the sort of social strife that might follow Canada should he allow in Jewish immigrants. (This, remember, is the man that a 1997 Maclean's panel ranked as "our greatest prime minister ever"!) [sic]

With all due respect, jbg...

It wasn't the socialism that kept the Jews from Canada; it was the bigotry.

[jbg]

Here's a quote from Will Ferguson's Bastards and Boneheads: Canada's Glorious Leaders Past and Present

But while it would be nice to heap the blame solely on Blair, he was neither a rogue nor an anomaly. He was faithfully carrying out the policies of Prime Minister Mackezie King, who wanted "to keep this part of the Continent free from unrest and from too great an intermixture of foreign strains of blood."

In German territories, Jews were being sent to concentration camps and synagogues were being destroyed. Mackenzie King, marshalling all of his moral fortitude, decided that the time had come for hsi government to do---nothing. [sic] Jews would not be allowed into Canada. When pressed further, King said the issue was really a federal/provincial matter, and he would look into it. The main thing, said King, was to avoid the sort of social strife that might follow Canada should he allow in Jewish immigrants. (This, remember, is the man that a 1997 Maclean's panel ranked as "our greatest prime minister ever"!) [sic]

With all due respect, jbg...

It wasn't the socialism that kept the Jews from Canada; it was the bigotry.

I was referring to "good immigrants" generally. Not Jews in particular.

[kimmy]

I'm sure that CBC plays all kinds of worldbeat crap if you search their schedule, Norm.

Why, sometimes they even play music that I'd listen to, if I was willing to stay up until 3am to hear it.

That's probably why CBC Radio 3 is popular with the download crowd. They put it on their Ipods.

Canadians are still a little slow when it comes to Sat radio, MPs and the like.

People are listening to CBC programs when they want, where they want and how they want now.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I can't receive it on a radio, I don't consider it a "radio station".

And I'd rather jab my eardrums out with a knitting-needle than listen to 8 hours of Toronto hip-hop anyway. What could possibly be worse than that? Maybe 8 hours of little kids dropping pots and pans down the stairs, or 8 hours of babies crying, or 8 hours of Jean Chretien speeches, or 8 hours of fingernails on blackboards. That's about all I can think of.

They should play Muslim songs and Wiccan songs as well. All taxpayers subsidize the CBC, not just those of one particular religious group.

Yeah, I bet there's tons of great Muslim Christmas carols they could play.

When they eat their Muslim Christmas dinner...

http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=732

Hey, Normie, why don't you take a Festive Halal Chicken and blow it out your ass?

After they get done making Christmas inclusive, I've got this great idea for an Oktoberfest that will be inclusive of Muslims, because apple-juice will be the only drink on the menu. I also think Shrove Tuesday could be made Jewish-friendly by serving blintzes and bagels instead of pancakes.

And why would Muslims even *care* about celebrating Christmas? Why would it matter to them, any more than (for instance) Rosh Hashanah would matter to me?

An acquaintence went to Saudi Arabia for work one December, and when he arrived the customs agent inspected his personal belongings. He confiscated Christmas cards, some wrapped gifts, and a neck-tie with a snowflake motif. The cards and tie were destroyed on the spot; the gifts were reluctantly returned (after the wrapping paper was torn off and destroyed.) He protested that none of the cards or the wrapping paper or the necktie contained any Christian symbols, just snow men, snowflakes, poinsettas, and so on. He was told that didn't matter. "Deese look like Christmas. No Christmas allowed." So I suspect that our English friends may have been mislead as to the actual extent that Muslims enjoy celebrating Christmas.

Halal Christmas can kiss my pasty white kafir ass.

-k

[jbg]

Yeah, I bet there's tons of great Muslim Christmas carols they could play.

Lets see:

1. Good King Mohamed Went to Mecca;
   
2. Chopped Hands Roasting on an Open Fire;
   
3. Let Heads Roll (to tune of "Let It Snow"); and last but not least
   
4. Death to the World
   

[mikedavid00]

Yeah, I bet there's tons of great Muslim Christmas carols they could play.

Lets see:

1. Good King Mohamed Went to Mecca;
   
2. Chopped Hands Roasting on an Open Fire;
   
3. Let Heads Roll (to tune of "Let It Snow"); and last but not least
   
4. Death to the World
   

And then Mohamed went back home to his semi-detatched hom in Mississauga

[cybercoma]

Yeah, I bet there's tons of great Muslim Christmas carols they could play.

Lets see:

1. Good King Mohamed Went to Mecca;
   
2. Chopped Hands Roasting on an Open Fire;
   
3. Let Heads Roll (to tune of "Let It Snow"); and last but not least
   
4. Death to the World
   

Islam doesn't have the market cornered on oppressive authority. The Bible is just as bad as the Qu'ran as far as brutally violent and sexist imagery. Every religion makes it seem as if the worse thing you could possibly do is convert to another. What The Bible and the Qu'ran do not do, is make it clear whether treating women like they're inferior is punishable by God. There are several examples in the Bible (Lot being my current favourite. He had his daughters gang-raped by an angry mob, then later he himself impregnated them. Lot was God's poster boy, too. He warned him in advance to get the heck out of Sodom and Gemorrah) of women being treated horribly. This is the unquestionable word of God, he must've meant something noble by allowing those poor girls to be raped by an angry mob and molested by their father.

Another poster in here made reference to the story of Achan in the moral/religion forum. That's another fantastic story about what kind of book people are using as an example for their morals.

Don't make it sound like Islam is the be all and end all of oppression and brutality.

[jbg]

Islam doesn't have the market cornered on oppressive authority. The Bible is just as bad as the Qu'ran as far as brutally violent and sexist imagery. Every religion makes it seem as if the worse thing you could possibly do is convert to another.

*snip*

Don't make it sound like Islam is the be all and end all of oppression and brutality.

The difference, as far as violence goes, is that in the Bible G-d authorizes particular acts of violence and savagery; in th Q'ran (or Koran) Allah authorizes it on a blanket basis against "infidels" (in some cases specificying Jews), and pretty much leaves the specifics up to the human actor.

Also, in practice and in general Christians have progressed; if anything, according to my friendly Muslim source (an Iraqi born in Kuwait that graduated from a certain undisclosed Canadian law school and is practicing in an undisclosed large Canadian firm) things have been getting worse in Islam since roughly the 1600's.

[normanchateau]

Hey, Normie, why don't you take a Festive Halal Chicken and blow it out your ass?

Halal Christmas can kiss my pasty white kafir ass.

Merry Muslim Christmas Kimmy.

http://religion.netscape.com/story/2006/12...christmas-album