Why I'm voting Green Party October 10th

[kengs333]

With certainty now, I will be voting for the Green Party this election. I do not agree with all of their policies, but in the end they still come across as the best alternative. My reasons:

1) Their commitment to improving the environment.

2) They are the only party that sincerely wants electoral reform.

3) Their commitment to organic farming.

4) A model of health care that includes preventative measures.

5) Their intention to do away with the Catholic school system.

6) Their commitment to renewable energies.

The list of what I don't like about the Green Party is equally long, but in the end not as significant. I do not care for many of their overly liberal attitudes toward social behaviours, nor do I care much for the influence of eco-feminism on the party's policies. These things, if the right people manage to work their way into leadership roles, can always be rectified.

I think the Green Party will have their best showing this year, although it's high;y unlikely that they'll get anywhere near winning a seat.

Edited October 5, 2007 by kengs333

[mikedavid00]

1) Their commitment to improving the environment.

2) They are the only party that sincerely wants electoral reform.

3) Their commitment to organic farming.

4) A model of health care that includes preventative measures.

5) Their intention to do away with the Catholic school system.

6) Their commitment to renewable energies.

Kengs keep something in mind. They are a party based off idealism, not tried and true economic principles.

Idealism tends to get us in trouble as Bob Rae and Trudeau both demonstrated.

Ontario doens't have any goo candidates.

[kengs333]

Kengs keep something in mind. They are a party based off idealism, not tried and true economic principles.

Idealism tends to get us in trouble as Bob Rae and Trudeau both demonstrated.

Ontario doens't have any goo candidates.

I don't know what "goo candidates" is supposed to mean, but I really think it mischaracterizes the party to suggest that its economic policies are "based off idealism".

[capricorn]

I don't know what "goo candidates" is supposed to mean, but I really think it mischaracterizes the party to suggest that its economic policies are "based off idealism".

kengs, the problem is that the Green Party does not yet have a track record which can be measured against the other 3 front running parties. It boils down to fear of the unknown and to some extent, resistance to change.

In this particular Ontario provincial election, I think it is an opportunity for voters to show their displeasure with the traditional parties. If enough voters do this, if nothing else the complacency of the Liberal and Tories may be shaken.

[daniel]

With certainty now, I will be voting for the Green Party this election. I do not agree with all of their policies, but in the end they still come across as the best alternative. My reasons:...

I think the Green Party will have their best showing this year, although it's high;y unlikely that they'll get anywhere near winning a seat.

Good for you. I'm not a Green supporter but it's time we voted "for" a party instead of "against" a party. There's too much strategic voting going on with FPTP. The responses in this thread sound like a lot like people trying to protect their turf. Remember when you went searching for your first job and potential employers keep telling you that you "didn't have the experience"?

BTW Conservatives (or Progressive Conservatives) are also rooted in ideology. They tried, (and retried) but their methods just don't result in true.

[ScottSA]

These things, if the right people manage to work their way into leadership roles, can always be rectified.

Why, them's the exact words about half the German electorate used in the elections of 1933.

[jennie]

Good for you. I'm not a Green supporter but it's time we voted "for" a party instead of "against" a party. There's too much strategic voting going on with FPTP. The responses in this thread sound like a lot like people trying to protect their turf. Remember when you went searching for your first job and potential employers keep telling you that you "didn't have the experience"?

BTW Conservatives (or Progressive Conservatives) are also rooted in ideology. They tried, (and retried) but their methods just don't result in true.

I agree about voting 'for' something. I don't see the Green Party as ideologically based, though. I think they are very practical about addressing the environmental issues we must address right now, but Elizabeth May is no socialist: She'll be addressing them in the context of capitalism. I hope perhaps some corporate controls, but that will happen naturally through shifting taxes perhaps. I am undecided, though.

But looking at the numbers ... 64 L seats ... maybe some libs will think it's a safe time to shift to send a message.

Judging by the number of Native blockades over environmental threats to traditional land, the Libs are taking a financial ride on logging, mining and development just a step ahead of the courts while they can, and they barely whisper the word 'environment'.

Hey KENGS ... tell me more about health care ... do you mean coverage for naturopathic?

Edited October 6, 2007 by jennie

[kengs333]

Why, them's the exact words about half the German electorate used in the elections of 1933.

Sorry, I don't know why you're using this analogy. Perhaps you can provide me with a few links to back this up. Or has jennie started to wear off on you, too?

What happened in Germany in 1933 was a unique phenomena, and as much as people like to see similarities in what happens in modern politics in some countries with that of the rise of Nazi Germany, such comparisons have no merit.

It is, of course, common in politics for party platforms to change with the rise of new leaders and party elites. Just look at the changes the federal CCF/NDP has gone through. What I'm suggesting is no different. In order for the Green Party to succeed it simply has to shed some of the dead weight from it's grassroots past.

[shavluk]

I will be voting Green obviously as well but not til 2009.

Again a vote for something ,, yes CHANGE.

I just spent 4 years formally with the ndp very involved and what I saw and the mechanics of the process that I learned tells me something has to change.

Something to empower people again.

As far as medical question ,yes covering alternative forms of medicine and changing the rules for foreign trained practitioners to stop the associations from dictating seemingly racist practises.

Edited October 7, 2007 by shavluk

[ScottSA]

As far as medical question ,yes covering alternative forms of medicine and changing the rules for foreign trained practitioners to stop the associations from dictating seemingly racist practises.

Where does the GP stand on the issue of licensing Botswanese witch doctors without formal Canadian upgrading?

[capricorn]

I will be voting Green obviously as well but not til 2009.

Again a vote for something ,, yes CHANGE.

I just spent 4 years formally with the ndp very involved and what I saw and the mechanics of the process that I learned tells me something has to change.

Something to empower people again.

As far as medical question ,yes covering alternative forms of medicine and changing the rules for foreign trained practitioners to stop the associations from dictating seemingly racist practises.

shavluk, I'm curious. Why did you quit the NDP? You say you were involved with the NDP for 4 years. Why are you running for the Greens and not the NDP?

[shavluk]

Where does the GP stand on the issue of licensing Botswanese witch doctors without formal Canadian upgrading?

They are free to work with other witch doctors as you are fully aware doctor ,,here's your dead chicken.

chicken

I just love your enthusiastic redneck streak please don't change anything until at least the second heart attack OK buddy er spike yeah that's it spike?

[shavluk]

shavluk, I'm curious. Why did you quit the NDP? You say you were involved with the NDP for 4 years. Why are you running for the Greens and not the NDP?

I raised the first legally approved resolution and got 5 more around the country to provide the grassroots support jack needed and asked for to be able to make good with his cannabis promise that caused the folding of the marijuana party into the ndp.

We had canvassed all the candidates for the ndp leadership race and all said they would legalize.

We were credited with 150,000 to 250,000 votes in the last federal election.

I also was elected to go to the convention in Quebec City last September to help explain our resolution which garnered 83 % approval from the 65 year old average aged executive and would have given us the same policy as the GREEN Party.

I begged borrowed and borrowed enough so that we had a total 9 marijuana party ndp members there and then we had the rug pulled on us on the way with a crony from jack then shut down on the floor in the first 2 minutes with almost rehearsed precision.

We were treated like lepers and stepped on like it was prearranged.

Back in our rooms rejected and dejected ,,,,

I came up with the idea to challenge the presidential election only as a way of speaking about the issue to delegates who all knew the ndp had been trying to get these resolutions approved since 1972.

For 2 days everyone chatted with me and there was a buzz all over the convention about it .

The days had events full of lies by layton himself and the president.

All the executive were to have won by acclamation and I was made to feel like a traitor.

I lost obviously. I will take the second place finish and all heard what a coward they were seeming to be to the people back home.

My efforts there do count for me.

When I again stood for nomination back home I was told I was no longer an approvable candidate even though it would have been my 3 rd attempt at a federal nomination and I had already run in 14 elections(one provincial) within the party and been approved.

They wanted me to sit on a drug policy committee and continue to be the hardest worker on other peoples campaigns as they had heard and please keep giving money and new people.

my wife and I said if I was no good to again stand for the party ,,why ,,,,we were not worth being members as well.

I have it all at enmasse

http://enmasse.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6017

Other topics there as well some with 7000 hits since I left there

I have been at this for going on 17 years.

Any one who has anything to do with cannabis who doesn't vote GREEN is a traitor to themselves.

AS NO OTHER PARTY HAS CANNABIS POLICY OUT SIDE OF QUEBEC (bloc)

AND THE CONSERVATIVES POLICY IS TO JAIL EVEN CONSERVATIVES WHO USE IT.

Thanks for asking.

[kengs333]

I will be voting Green obviously as well but not til 2009.

Again a vote for something ,, yes CHANGE.

I just spent 4 years formally with the ndp very involved and what I saw and the mechanics of the process that I learned tells me something has to change.

Something to empower people again.

As far as medical question ,yes covering alternative forms of medicine and changing the rules for foreign trained practitioners to stop the associations from dictating seemingly racist practises.

Elaborate on the "seemingly racist practices" bit. The medical profession seems to be very ethnically diverse. Just because someone studied medicine or was in the medical profession in their homeland, shouldn't mean that they should be slotted in into ours without question. I knew someone who was from China who was a "doctor" and trust me she was not suited for profession. Our system would not recognized her as qualified, and we should be thankful for that.

[kengs333]

I raised the first legally approved resolution and got 5 more around the country to provide the grassroots support jack needed and asked for to be able to make good with his cannabis promise that caused the folding of the marijuana party into the ndp.

We had canvassed all the candidates for the ndp leadership race and all said they would legalize.

We were credited with 150,000 to 250,000 votes in the last federal election.

I also was elected to go to the convention in Quebec City last September to help explain our resolution which garnered 83 % approval from the 65 year old average aged executive and would have given us the same policy as the GREEN Party.

I begged borrowed and borrowed enough so that we had a total 9 marijuana party ndp members there and then we had the rug pulled on us on the way with a crony from jack then shut down on the floor in the first 2 minutes with almost rehearsed precision.

We were treated like lepers and stepped on like it was prearranged.

Back in our rooms rejected and dejected ,,,,

I came up with the idea to challenge the presidential election only as a way of speaking about the issue to delegates who all knew the ndp had been trying to get these resolutions approved since 1972.

For 2 days everyone chatted with me and there was a buzz all over the convention about it .

The days had events full of lies by layton himself and the president.

All the executive were to have won by acclamation and I was made to feel like a traitor.

I lost obviously. I will take the second place finish and all heard what a coward they were seeming to be to the people back home.

My efforts there do count for me.

When I again stood for nomination back home I was told I was no longer an approvable candidate even though it would have been my 3 rd attempt at a federal nomination and I had already run in 14 elections(one provincial) within the party and been approved.

They wanted me to sit on a drug policy committee and continue to be the hardest worker on other peoples campaigns as they had heard and please keep giving money and new people.

my wife and I said if I was no good to again stand for the party ,,why ,,,,we were not worth being members as well.

I have it all at enmasse

http://enmasse.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6017

Other topics there as well some with 7000 hits since I left there

I have been at this for going on 17 years.

Any one who has anything to do with cannabis who doesn't vote GREEN is a traitor to themselves.

AS NO OTHER PARTY HAS CANNABIS POLICY OUT SIDE OF QUEBEC (bloc)

AND THE CONSERVATIVES POLICY IS TO JAIL EVEN CONSERVATIVES WHO USE IT.

Thanks for asking.

I really didn't start this thread so that it could become a discussion on marijuana. Honestly, I don't think there could be a stupider issue. I don't mind it being used medicinally, but unlike most people who hold that view, I don't do so because I wish that it will lead to full legalization. Never smoked it, and always considered people who did losers and retards. The Green Party really doesn't need this issue dragging it down.

The way you say "since I left there" makes it sound so voluntary... It was interesting reading the discussion surrounding your last post there. By the sounds of it, you really have a problem with anger management and making personal attacks... You don't think that the cannabis has something to do with this, do you?

[Moxie]

Where does the GP stand on the issue of licensing Botswanese witch doctors without formal Canadian upgrading?

I believe the leftards will demand that they be allowed to practice, I'm worried about the Doctors trained over the internet and get a degree in medicine from Columbia being allowed to practice goat medicine lest it offend the green party.

[shavluk]

The way you say "since I left there" makes it sound so voluntary... It was interesting reading the discussion surrounding your last post there. By the sounds of it, you really have a problem with anger management and making personal attacks... You don't think that the cannabis has something to do with this, do you? - kengs333

Quite the contrary.

Its probably why I am not in jail for murder.

Maybe picture your 8 year daughter watching Saturday morning cartoons as a swat team smashes through the window ransacks the house and leaves with nothing.

Imagine losing your life and going to jail for some thing you in fact did not do ,after standing up to bully police.

You are lucky you are not me , no doubt.

You as a non user can not understand that and may never.

It has nothing to do with the actual cannabis for me , its way beyond that.

I believe in our charter of rights and the American constitution.

White average good ol boys will never even need to read them.

I am ashamed of most that talk like you.

I will post where ever I like , get over it.

So are you going to quit the Green over its policy to actually deal with the cannabis issue?

You may be just a self centered fool because to lose the support that has been showing us grow and just throw it away as harmful to the party will cost way more than you may think.

I am all for the Green party coming right out and saying they also like the ndp are actually afraid to speak about the Canadians in jail or harmed because of the drug war and we will move on and effect change else where.

I have been doing the same in all parties and to be honest we effected the winner of the liberal party and its been shown at that enmasse site.

As far as my leaving a site ,,,yes I have been banned but I get written and asked back,,more than once

in fact at blogging Torrie's I have a few names there and the last one that was banned shows now as a guest and no one else's does there.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I can help you with your insecurities or self possessed spoiled boy attitude if you allow yourself to realize we all matter and we all have opinions.

In the mean time ,,,,,,,kiss my ass.

Edited October 8, 2007 by shavluk

[bush_cheney2004]

I believe in our charter of rights and the American constitution.

I think I have discovered the issue....the "American constitution" is not related to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. That would be the Canadian Constitution Act of 1982. Canada banned ganja years before the Americans.

[kengs333]

I believe the leftards will demand that they be allowed to practice, I'm worried about the Doctors trained over the internet and get a degree in medicine from Columbia being allowed to practice goat medicine lest it offend the green party.

I suppose this kind of nonsense is supposed to increase my respect for the like of the PC party?

[kengs333]

The way you say "since I left there" makes it sound so voluntary... It was interesting reading the discussion surrounding your last post there. By the sounds of it, you really have a problem with anger management and making personal attacks... You don't think that the cannabis has something to do with this, do you? - kengs333

Quite the contrary.

Its probably why I am not in jail for murder.

Maybe picture your 8 year daughter watching Saturday morning cartoons as a swat team smashes through the window ransacks the house and leaves with nothing.

Imagine losing your life and going to jail for some thing you in fact did not do ,after standing up to bully police.

You are lucky you are not me , no doubt.

You as a non user can not understand that and may never.

It has nothing to do with the actual cannabis for me , its way beyond that.

I believe in our charter of rights and the American constitution.

White average good ol boys will never even need to read them.

I am ashamed of most that talk like you.

I will post where ever I like , get over it.

So are you going to quit the Green over its policy to actually deal with the cannabis issue?

You may be just a self centered fool because to lose the support that has been showing us grow and just throw it away as harmful to the party will cost way more than you may think.

I am all for the Green party coming right out and saying they also like the ndp are actually afraid to speak about the Canadians in jail or harmed because of the drug war and we will move on and effect change else where.

I have been doing the same in all parties and to be honest we effected the winner of the liberal party and its been shown at that enmasse site.

As far as my leaving a site ,,, well I get written and asked back,,more than once in fact at blogging Torrie's as I have a few names there and the last one that was banned shows as a guest and no one else doe there.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I can help you with your insecurities or self possessed spoiled boy attitude if you allow yourself to realize we all matter and we all have opinions.

In the mean time ,,,,,,,kiss my ass.

Sounds to me like you've picked up right where you left off at enmasse. If smoking weed is keeping you out of jail, then it seems to me that you have a serious personality disorder; what other conclusion can one draw when someone claims that drug use is the only thing keeping them from performing a homicide? Do you honestly believe that you're helping the Green Party with your ranting? And please don't try and pull that victimization bs on me; if you involve yourself in illegal behaviour and the law deals with you as they are supposed to, you only have yourself to blame for the problems you bring upon yourself and your family.

[shavluk]

Sounds to me like you've picked up right where you left off at enmasse. If smoking weed is keeping you out of jail, then it seems to me that you have a serious personality disorder; what other conclusion can one draw when someone claims that drug use is the only thing keeping them from performing a homicide? Do you honestly believe that you're helping the Green Party with your ranting? And please don't try and pull that victimization bs on me; if you involve yourself in illegal behaviour and the law deals with you as they are supposed to, you only have yourself to blame for the problems you bring upon yourself and your family.

I take it we are through then?

Thank you and good bye.

It should be pretty obvious to you or should have been ,that if you did read what I say don't think for one second the police haven't already tried to brand me and I have defended my self very well.

The truth is all I need and please don't worry about me hurting anyone else as again you haven't read me well enough.

I don't care that you think me tooo what ever.

I lack tact and know that.

Go through the same rape and tell me how you would be. I still don't care if you cant see the truth.

This is a forum and not a court room and even if it was I stand by what I say.

Walk in your own shoes and consider yourself lucky

I am done with you.

As far as my chances in an election I have no where to go but up and will.

WATCH !

[kengs333]

I take it we are through then?

Thank you and good bye.

It should be pretty obvious to you or should have been ,that if you did read what I say don't think for one second the police haven't already tried to brand me and I have defended my self very well.

The truth is all I need and please don't worry about me hurting anyone else as again you haven't read me well enough.

I don't care that you think me tooo what ever.

I lack tact and know that.

Go through the same rape and tell me how you would be. I still don't care if you cant see the truth.

This is a forum and not a court room and even if it was I stand by what I say.

Walk in your own shoes and consider yourself lucky

I am done with you.

As far as my chances in an election I have no where to go but up and will.

WATCH !

I've read enough of your writing to know where you're coming from,,,,,, but let's be realistic here,,,,, you're style is a little annoying. And I'm not inclined to have much sympathy for people who try to make themselves out as victims when they face the consequences of justifiable laws. So I see no real point in wasting all that much time on this.

Please don't run in the next election. The Green Party has a good platform and needs to be included in future governments; but the only way it can accomplish this is if it improves its credibility, not the reverse.

Edited October 7, 2007 by kengs333

[shavluk]

I've read enough of your writing to know where you're coming from,,,,,, but let's be realistic here,,,,, you're style is a little annoying. And I'm not inclined to have much sympathy for people who try to make themselves out as victims when they face the consequences of justifiable laws. So I see no real point in wasting all that much time on this.

Please don't run in the next election. The Green Party has a good platform and needs to be included in future governments; but the only way it can accomplish this is if it improves its credibility, not the reverse.

***when they face the consequences of justifiable laws. ***- quote

what about when they do time even if they haven't broken them?

After the education I did receive I have come to the conclusion no one should experience what I did even if they broke the law

so did Rosa parks and I can see many from here pulling her off the bus to have her flogged, sorry I will just be me thanks.

Stupid laws are stupid mostly because of stupid people , I will help.

Send another letter to Ms May and tell her I and the hundreds of members I have signed up don't belong here because we are to mouthy on Internet forums,,,,yeah too GREEN we be.

Imagine they talked about GREEN policy ,,it was so embarrassing as I hate that policy and wish the GREENS would just talk about the environment and ignore that cesspool environment of those guys that say they are citizens are enduring ,,I don't like that policy Mom.

I tell you what you handle one of our other policies and sign up hundreds and give lots of money and talk about it here and I wont try to bully you.

I take it the cheque isn't in the mail to help my campaign ,then ?

Edited October 8, 2007 by shavluk

[ScottSA]

yeah too GREEN we be.

I think I see the problem here...it's one of definition. I think the GP is green because they use the colour 'green' as an analogy for the environment; not because they are trying to evoke little green men from mars with tin foil hats. Are you sure you're in the right green party?

BTW, what's the GP's stance on the culprits of 911?

[kengs333]

so did Rosa parks and I can see many from here pulling her off the bus to have her flogged, sorry I will just be me thanks.

You don't honestly believe that there's any similarity between you and her! The law can not only be twisted to deny, but to to permit, as well. And that is what you are trying to do. Laws against drugs are created in an effort stop them from ruining society. People like you always point to the legality of alcohol and tobacco, but you always ignore the widespread problems that they cause. How many people die of cancer because of smoking, how many people are killed in alcohol related incidents? Too many. Now you want to add drugs into the mix. Usage is bad enough as it is, but once it becomes socially acceptable, then what? How many deaths will it cause? Too many more.

Stupid laws are stupid mostly because of stupid people , I will help.

Stupid people want stupid laws so they can legally do stupid things.

Send another letter to Ms May and tell her I and the hundreds of members I have signed up don't belong here because we are to mouthy on Internet forums,,,,yeah too GREEN we be.

Imagine they talked about GREEN policy ,,it was so embarrassing as I hate that policy and wish the GREENS would just talk about the environment and ignore that cesspool environment of those guys that say they are citizens are enduring ,,I don't like that policy Mom.

You're not making much sense here. It seems to me that your only interest in the GP is to hijack it and change its agenda. I really doubt you can do so, the GP isn't exactly a fringe party anymore, and the leadership is sophisticated enough to recognize the problems that could result from certain kinds of people lurking in its membership.

I tell you what you handle one of our other policies and sign up hundreds and give lots of money and talk about it here and I wont try to bully you.

I take it the cheque isn't in the mail to help my campaign ,then ?

I'm hardly impressed, and you're not exactly bullying me. I've certainly dealt with people who were considerably more astute. All you are is an erratic hothead who doesn;t care if s/he makes a fool of him or herself. Not exactly something I lose any sleep over.

I do wonder, however, just how long you will continue to grace us with you presence. My guess is not very long.