M.Dancer Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Muhammad is the second most popular name for newborn boys in Britain if you add together the various spellings. In the Seine-St-Denis suburb of Paris, Mohamed is number one. In the four biggest Dutch cities in 2005, either Mohamed or Mohammed came top.Facts such as these have led some pundits to forecast the Islamicisation of Europe - a future "Eurabia". Bernard Lewis, a scholar of Islam, cited the immigration from Muslim countries and relatively high birth rates of immigrants as trends that mean "Europe will have Muslim majorities in the population by the end of the 21st century at the latest". Most academics who have analysed the demographics dismiss such predictions. *snip* But the birth rates of Europe's Muslim immigrants, though still above the EU's average, are falling. The fertility rate of north African women in France has been dropping since 1981, say Jonathan Laurence and Justin Vaisse in their book, Integrating Islam. "The longer immigrant women live in France, the fewer children they have; their fertility rate app-roaches that of native-born French women." *snip* In short, Islamicisation - let alone sharia law - is not a demographic prospect for Europe. This is the first of an eight-part series on Muslims in Europe. The next part of the FT series will look at Islam in European politics http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/694a6eb0-4eb5-11...00779fd2ac.html It's really important that you treat stats given by high school dropouts like Steyn with a shovel of salt. Never the less, the Chicken Littles will still run around in circles screaming that the sky is falling....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Blue Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) I remember reading Pat Buchanan's book "The Death of the West", and it was basically about the same topic. While I'd agree that we need to do more to ensure that extremism doesn't find a base, however the last thing we should do is to start painting all Muslims with the same brush. There have always been groups of people talking about the coming of the barbarian horde. Keep in mind that Steyn predicted that Bush would win the 2000 election with a landslide, and that it would be relatively easy to pacify Iraq after the 2003 invasion. Edited October 2, 2007 by Canadian Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 What does it mean to you, Momo, if Mohammed is the second most popular name in Britain? Anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Blue Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Maybe everyone watched Ali and thought it was a kick ass name, but then again that's for Muhammed. Well I'd have to see the complete statistics to see how children in Great Britian are being named, and what number are named Muhammed, Stanley, John, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 What does it mean to you, Momo, if Mohammed is the second most popular name in Britain? Anything? Quite frankly, it means absolutely nothing. I have never been partial to name trands. My daughter's class, every second kid is either Ashley, Zoe or Noah. That's why we named her Winnifred..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 What does it mean to you, Momo, if Mohammed is the second most popular name in Britain? Anything? On second thought, It would mean that perhaps this is another of Steyns stats? Or another pigment of your imagination? BoysJack continues to reign at number one with 6928 boys sharing the name in 2006. Thomas has pushed Joshua down to third for the first time since 2001. Oliver has made it to number four whilst Harry has risen four places forcing James out of the top five for the first time in several years. Theo makes it into the top 100 boys' names for the first time with 646 registrations. Could this have been influenced by young Theo Walcott's appearance in this year's World Cup squad? http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=184 Mohammed comes in at number 22 Muhammed at 44 MOHAMMAD at 69 Now, what does it mean to you that Christopher is 85? http://www.statistics.gov.uk/specials/babiesnames_boys.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 On second thought, It would mean that perhaps this is another of Steyns stats? Or another pigment of your imagination?http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=184 Mohammed comes in at number 22 Muhammed at 44 MOHAMMAD at 69 Now, what does it mean to you that Christopher is 85? http://www.statistics.gov.uk/specials/babiesnames_boys.asp Perhaps Steyn was refering to London, or perhaps your source is wrong. Either way, I'm sure Steyn didn't just make it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Perhaps Steyn was refering to London, or perhaps your source is wrong. Either way, I'm sure Steyn didn't just make it up. Given a choice between Steyn or the Government of Britain, I'm picking Britain...... I'm not suggesting steyn makes up the facts he distorts.....he's too clever for that by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Given a choice between Steyn or the Government of Britain, I'm picking Britain......I'm not suggesting steyn makes up the facts he distorts.....he's too clever for that by far. So how would he "distort" that fact without just making it up? Wouldn't it be a good guess that he was talking about London rather than Britain? What would that fact tell you about demographic London, and what implications vis a vis rural/urban demographics would it mean Momo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 So how would he "distort" that fact without just making it up? Wouldn't it be a good guess that he was talking about London rather than Britain? What would that fact tell you about demographic London, and what implications vis a vis rural/urban demographics would it mean Momo? Oh gosh you should read what you have already posted.........but to refresh...... The story goes if you include all the varients of the spelling of mohammed, mo comes in 2nd.... Number 1 is Jack....I suppose if you include all the variations of Jack, that would push Mo a little further down the list.... Number 2 is Thomas.......if you include all the varients for Thomas......... Number 5 is Daniel....if you include allthe avrients for Daniel .....Six is Benjamin 7 is William....... Okay, lets look at it another way All the variants of Mo total 5991 entries all the other non Mo names in the top 10 total 46,604 ....the next 10 total 34,332....... In other words, a mountain out of a Mo hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Oh gosh you should read what you have already posted.........but to refresh......The story goes if you include all the varients of the spelling of mohammed, mo comes in 2nd.... Number 1 is Jack....I suppose if you include all the variations of Jack, that would push Mo a little further down the list.... Number 2 is Thomas.......if you include all the varients for Thomas......... Number 5 is Daniel....if you include allthe avrients for Daniel .....Six is Benjamin 7 is William....... Okay, lets look at it another way All the variants of Mo total 5991 entries all the other non Mo names in the top 10 total 46,604 ....the next 10 total 34,332....... In other words, a mountain out of a Mo hill Why are you ignoring the distinction between London and Britain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Why are you ignoring the distinction between London and Britain? The results are for Britain, and I imagine Steyn's comments are for britain as well......one small segment of Britain is irrelevant....sort of like pointing to wreck beach and crying out that nudism is rampant in Canada. In other news, there were 669,601 births in the UK in 06, 5991 were named Mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgly Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Quite frankly, it means absolutely nothing. I have never been partial to name trands. My daughter's class, every second kid is either Ashley, Zoe or Noah. That's why we named her Winnifred..... I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 The results are for Britain, and I imagine Steyn's comments are for britain as well......one small segment of Britain is irrelevant....sort of like pointing to wreck beach and crying out that nudism is rampant in Canada.In other news, there were 669,601 births in the UK in 06, 5991 were named Mo. Well, that simplistic view suits your opinion, so it's not surprising that you choose it, but you know very well that the occurence of Mo as the second most predominant name in London is exceptionally significant. Not to mention all the other new Jihadists not named Mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Well, that simplistic view suits your opinion, so it's not surprising that you choose it, but you know very well that the occurence of Mo as the second most predominant name in London is exceptionally significant. Not to mention all the other new Jihadists not named Mo. I find your fixation on London curious, given that there are greater %s of muslims living in the North..... You will have to dig up this london claim......But as it stands I find the UK rising birthrate couple with a rising % of single parent families much more alarming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I find your fixation on London curious, given that there are greater %s of muslims living in the North.....You will have to dig up this london claim......But as it stands I find the UK rising birthrate couple with a rising % of single parent families much more alarming. One is not the other, and given the relative differnces in b/rs for Muslims vs nonMuslims, the two are probably divided accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgly Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 OK. You seem to be fixated on Moslems. How many people in the west have been killed by Moslems? How many people in the Middle East have been killed by Christians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Blue Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 OK. You seem to be fixated on Moslems. How many people in the west have been killed by Moslems? How many people in the Middle East have been killed by Christians? Short answer, alot. In other news, there were 669,601 births in the UK in 06, 5991 were named Mo. Talk about a foriegn horde eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 OK. You seem to be fixated on Moslems. How many people in the west have been killed by Moslems? How many people in the Middle East have been killed by Christians? What does that have to do with anything? Try to focus on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Blue Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Say ScottSA have people ever gone on genocidal rampages who weren't Muslims? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgly Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 What does that have to do with anything? Try to focus on the topic. As far as I can tell, the topic is your demented paranoia about Moslems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Say ScottSA have people ever gone on genocidal rampages who weren't Muslims? Yes. How is that relevant? Why are you clogging the thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted October 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 What does that have to do with anything? Try to focus on the topic. I agree. This thread is about trendy names....no wait...it's about professional demographers pooh poohing fears about Eurabia....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I agree. This thread is about trendy names....no wait...it's about professional demographers pooh poohing fears about Eurabia....... And rapidly becoming Momo's comedy floorshow...there's one of his stockings hanging off the rafters...oops, men dressing up in stockings is against Sharia...off with his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Well here is another view on Eurabia: http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/item/200...abrahamson.html Portion of the article: Though there are individual success stories, most Muslims concentrate in ghettos - where their imams are pleased to keep them - and the young especially have become alienated and filled with hatred toward their European homeland. Even in the second and third immigrant generations, assimilation proceeds too slowly, if at all, to prevent gangs, riots, and a growing risk of Islamic terrorism. Nor has European fascination with multiculturalism and cultural relativism helped; both concepts push countries with large Muslim populations in the direction of becoming tribal societies, as Muslims reject European standards and demand to live under sharia law, which local authorities sometimes too readily accommodate. Declining fertility amongst ethnic Europeans, an aging population, and immigrants unwilling or unable to achieve a respected place in a modern society and help it grow combine to raise questions about Europe's ability to continue financing its expensive social welfare systems. Making the ultimately necessary large increases in taxes or deep cuts in programs seem certain to create great resentment among both native and immigrant populations, further adding to social tension. Generous welfare programs will keep them coming for years, but alas socialist love immigrants that don't integrate. It gets them elected into office, the local communities be damned. For the record I believe Eurabia will be Islamic States in thirty years. Everytime I see the word "Muliticulture I gag". Leftest dream of utopia on the backs of hardworking taxpayers to get elected by the feeble minded. Eurabia is being screwed by elites who want to rule for a life time, local culture be damned. The liberals and the socialist left/commies eat this stuff up whilst screaming racist, bigot hater etc. LOL village idiots and useful idiots this lot is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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