Social climate is SHIFTING on immigration!

[mikedavid00]

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...956&k=10154

77 per cent said immigrants should adapt to Quebec and Canadian society.

"In Quebec," he said, "people are saying, 'We want to accommodate new Canadians and minorities, but hold on a minute.' What we are seeing in the province is a build up of accommodation after accommodation after accommodation. It's reached a tipping point in Quebec and our leaders outside Quebec should be watching because it is coming to their neighbourhood."

[guyser]

Let us know when you make up your mind , is it 53% or 77%

[jefferiah]

Well, I was unsure about what Mike David was saying as well. But may I point out to you that if 77 percent figure is correct, then it is also inevitably true that 53 percent of Canadians said this.

Mike David has 7 children---half of them are boys. How is this possible?

Edited September 26, 2007 by jefferiah

[jefferiah]

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Edited September 26, 2007 by jefferiah

[JB Globe]

You mean, 77% believe in REASONABLE ACCOMODATION - which of course, you're against.

Reasonable Accomodation means maintaining key concepts - such as good government, economic freedom, justice, etc - but at the same time working to make society more inclusive for all people. Sometimes that may mean confronting xenophobia where it exists either in society or in an institution.

You on the other hand would like to see people never mention their ethnic heritege, never display it, never celebrate it, never participate in it. ie - Stop playing soccer and start playing hockey! Otherwise get out of my country! Essentially - you would like people to completely kill off that part of who they are.

[Argus]

You mean, 77% believe in REASONABLE ACCOMODATION - which of course, you're against.

Reasonable Accomodation means maintaining key concepts - such as good government, economic freedom, justice, etc - but at the same time working to make society more inclusive for all people.

The devil, of course, is always in the details. Just how do you make a society "inclusive"? Well, for one thing, by insisting that a certain number of foreigners - excuse me, ethnic minorities, be hired for a variety of jobs, regardless of skills or qualifications, that they be hired and promoted ahead of more talented, better skilled white people, for example. Inclusive also means doling out money to foreigners - excuse me, ethnic minorities - to support their own cultural festivals, newspapers and magazines, community centres and organizations. It also means telling Canadians, day after day, pounding it into their heads so that the weak-minded, at least, see it as true, that there is nothing special about Canadians, that our culture is not better than any other, however violent, xenophobic, racist, sexist, bigoted, primitive, backward and violent it is. We should never take pride in ourselves because that would imply we're better, and that would be wrong, because it might hurt the feelings of dedicated members of the foreign - er, ethnic community here in Canada. And oh by the way we should suppress all of our own religious and cultural festivals and behaviour lest they offend the ethnic minorities - foreigners, that is - among us, or if we really must celebrate it then we have to be "inclusive" by also celebrating every other half-assed ethnic and religious festival from around the world. The little kids in school can't be allowed to draw pictures of Santa or Rudolph around Christmas unless they also get to celebrate Ramadan by, presumably, cutting the heads off little paper infidel dolls.

You on the other hand would like to see people never mention their ethnic heritege, never display it, never celebrate it, never participate in it. ie - Stop playing soccer and start playing hockey! Otherwise get out of my country! Essentially - you would like people to completely kill off that part of who they are.

It's nice that you can read minds. It must be a lot of fun at parties, quite the conversation piece. You know, I don't know any Irish families which send their kids to Gaelic school, which have satellite dishes constantly tuned to Irish TV, who go only to Irish restaurants, and bring their kids up as if they were simply distant members of the Irish nation. I'm half Irish myself, but while that isn't meaningless to me it doesn't affect the culture of who I am, doesn't make me the slightest bit different from my neighbour whose ancestry is German. But we have Muslims and Sikhs who, three generations in are still sending their children "home" to get proper mates and sponsor them here, and who insist on dressing in their ragged assed cultural costumes that make them look like they just walked out the door clad in dirty bedsheets and pillowcases.

[guyser]

The devil, of course, is always in the details. Just how do you make a society "inclusive"? Well, for one thing, by insisting that a certain number of foreigners - excuse me, ethnic minorities, be hired for a variety of jobs, regardless of skills or qualifications, that they be hired and promoted ahead of more talented, better skilled white people, for example.

You can of course post cites to show that this is commonplace. I am sure there are plenty of examples whereby a degreed profession , or highly skilled worker was not hired and the grade school drop out with the troglodyte linguistic skills got the job.

Poor opressed whitey. Sucks to be him doesn't...hey wait a minute (checking skin-phew I am tanned since its summer)

Inclusive also means doling out money to foreigners - excuse me, ethnic minorities - to support their own cultural festivals, newspapers and magazines, community centres and organizations.

Oh my- god forbid that the gov fund some cultural festival et al, from the same fund that these foreigners pay into just like whitey does ! The horror!

But dont these foreigners pay taxes too? Doesnt the gov get back taxes from these shows since tax will be applicable to anything bought at the festival, or when buying the magazine and newspaper, or when the money funded growth and the festival/magazine/newspaper hire more people who in turn pay taxes? Well of course they do, I will take it you plum forgot.

And what ill placed rant have you made about Sudbury's Cinefest ? They get funding and man , Sudbury is a foreigners dream spot, tons and tons of "them" live there.

Or perhaps a rant on the Toronto Film Festival since Hans Pierling sounds like a foreigner.

You did not rant about the Vancouver Queer Film Festival , maybe you support that one and left it off. I dont know.

And all those shows you watch, funded by the CDN Television Fund, and the Canadian Independant Video Fund?

Well maybe you forgot those are primarily whitey festivals , and heaven , one cannot be seen to be partisan now can they? Well, can they?

It also means telling Canadians, day after day, pounding it into their heads so that the weak-minded, at least, see it as true,

Yup , like that happens. The gov does this? Must have missed that memo. Forward it to me.

And oh by the way we should suppress all of our own religious and cultural festivals and behaviour lest they offend the ethnic minorities - foreigners, that is - among us, or if we really must celebrate it then we have to be "inclusive" by also celebrating every other half-assed ethnic and religious festival from around the world. The little kids in school can't be allowed to draw pictures of Santa or Rudolph around Christmas unless they also get to celebrate Ramadan by, presumably, cutting the heads off little paper infidel dolls.

I know I know, whitey pays so he calls the tunes. You dont live in a vacuum. Anyone living in this country pays taxes ergo no one should have restrictive rights to cultural celebrations at our schools.

Not Easter Christmas, Hannukah, Tet, Ramadan nor any other. And since you have posted that there should only be one school board then you obviously do not have a problem abiding by this mantra.....all or none .

Did lil Susie not get to play a reindeer this year? Tough , Quong wasnt allowed to decorate his classroom with Tet paraphanalia. Lets call that a wash.

I'm half Irish myself, but while that isn't meaningless to me it doesn't affect the culture of who I am, doesn't make me the slightest bit different from my neighbour whose ancestry is German. But we have Muslims and Sikhs who, three generations in are still sending their children "home" to get proper mates and sponsor them here, and who insist on dressing in their ragged assed cultural costumes that make them look like they just walked out the door clad in dirty bedsheets and pillowcases.

Half Irish?

So you are only half a drunk everyday?

Morning or night?

Two or three packs a day do you smoke?

And those green hats you wear everyday are really gross , all the while leering at people on the street yelling " look at me lucky charms !"

Oh but that would be a Irish stereotype. And as such, not much validity in it.

Perhaps you live in a real lousy part of town , "dirty bedsheets and pillowcases?" The truth of that is loathe anyone Muslim of any means who wears any flowing robes that are dirty. Never seen it and I suspect you havent either, but it sure looks good in a rant of epic bigotry.

Well done Argus.

[Argus]

Guyser, I was going to reply, but then realized you really hadn't said anything. You stuck your tongue out and blew raspberries, picked your nose and flung it around, and generally acted like the classless, sputtering illiterate you often do when you disapprove of what others say.

So there really isn't anything to reply to, and I won't lower myself to the extent of trying.

[guyser]

Guyser, I was going to reply, but then realized you really hadn't said anything. You stuck your tongue out and blew raspberries, picked your nose and flung it around, and generally acted like the classless, sputtering illiterate you often do when you disapprove of what others say.

So there really isn't anything to reply to, and I won't lower myself to the extent of trying.

Aw thats okay.

I guess when I rebutt your festival nonsense , ask for cites that bolster your assertion that idiots get jobs over qualified whiteys, how everyone pays taxes and gets benefits from that,show you that religious icons have not been attacked , I suppose maybe one shouldnt try and counter .

I'm cool with that.

But then again, you called me a classless sputtering idiot , yet it wasnt me who disparaged many with dirty bedsheets was it.

But hey, again, I'm cool with that.

And if a sputtering classless idiot like me schooled you , just what would that make you my dear Argus?

[Shakeyhands]

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...956&k=10154

77 per cent said immigrants should adapt to Quebec and Canadian society.

"In Quebec," he said, "people are saying, 'We want to accommodate new Canadians and minorities, but hold on a minute.' What we are seeing in the province is a build up of accommodation after accommodation after accommodation. It's reached a tipping point in Quebec and our leaders outside Quebec should be watching because it is coming to their neighbourhood."

This kills your point (as it were) no one is debating that immigrants shouldn't adapt to the society, you contend that they should add nothing either.. I think.. I am never too sure what you are trying to say...

[betsy]

They talked about this on MDuffy yesterday, with SES research study Nanos.

That number in Quebec, 77%, was for the answer: immigrants should adapt to our country.

And only 5.4 % was agreeable to reasonable accomodation.

And the rest was either "no comment" or "undecided."

Edited September 27, 2007 by betsy

[betsy]

NOETE: There's a similar topic to this one but since this thread has more responses, I'll just bring my other post here. So here it is.

"By significant majorities in Canada as a whole, and by overwhelming majorities in Quebec, Canadians and Quebecers declare limits to reasonable accommodation.

When asked whether it was reasonable to accommodate religious and cultural minorities, or whether immigrants should fully adapt to culture in Canada, only 18 percent of respondents said reasonable accommodation best reflected their personal views, as opposed to 53 percent who thought immigrants should fully adapt (21 percent who agreed with neither statement).

In Quebec, only 5.4 percent of respondents thought reasonable accommodation reflected their views, while fully 76.9 percent thought immigrants should fully adapt.

Interestingly, the parts of Canada with fewer new Canadians were more likely to support accommodation. Leaders from across Canada should be watching the developments in Quebec, because they may well be a precursor of things to come in other parts of Canada."

http://www.nikonthenumbers.com/topics/show/49

I think people are beginning to see the hole we've dug ourselves in. ...how impossible it is to accomodate and please everyone.

It may seem such a wonderful idea - perhaps inspired by the CBC's choice for best song of the century, John Lenon's IMAGINE -

but it should have just remained there...where it truly belongs: in our fantasy.

I suspect people are getting fatigued and swamped by the back-to-back high-profile demands (the latest being the veil election controversy). They're simply fed up! Who wouldn't be? I see these demands as just the beginning of a long string of un-ending demands from every corner.

Resources and energies should be more concentrated in getting immigrants to adapt to their new country.

With this new information about the sentiments of the majority, especially in Quebec, I think some changes might be looming up ahead.

Edited September 27, 2007 by betsy

[mikedavid00]

Resources and energies should be more concentrated in getting immigrants to adapt to their new country.

With this new information about the sentiments of the majority, especially in Quebec, I think some changes might be looming up ahead.

The problem is now too many immigrants hold political franchise now to the point that we have a minority gov't based soley on the ethnic vote.

There are many Sikh members in the Parliment alone (who can't sing the words to Oh Canada btw. YOu had to see it to believe it).

So the longer we wait, the more we tanlge ourselves in a mess.

As immigrants move further west and south of the GTA, they will take over ridings in those areas also and continue to gain seats in the house. Eventually politicians will give in.

I don't want to see our Catholic system go. Just out of principle. But I dont trust a future politician taking a second run at this 10 years from now. The ethnic groups will only get larger and more segregated. And gov't programs wont fix that.

Maybe the best thing to do is just not find any religous schools. Maybe it's for our own good. I hate to admit defeat on this issue but we have to safegaurd ourselves from ourselves.

If we didn't let so many, so fast, from the same 4 places, this wouldn't be happenning. But look at these discussions we're foced to have.

And the sad part is, we are Canadians, we have no real political francihise anymore. We can't do anythign about this. Only our politicians can.

[betsy]

I am not in favor of funding religious schools either. Religious schools should fund themselves. Catholic schools included.

However, I am not forgetting that McGuinty had at one time entertained the idea of legalizing Sharia Law in Ontario....and had only backed down after pressures from some groups. I don't trust the Liberals. They seem too cozy with a certain group.

Edited September 27, 2007 by betsy

[betsy]

From my experience of talking to a lot of visible minorities, I'm betting that a lot of folks out there just want to be treated like everybody else. And I'm telling you, a lot do not welcome these ridiculous cultural rights demands that only put emphasis on us being "different" from the "true" Canadians.

I guess it's like someone who doesn't want to wear those flashy clothes with cameras hanging down their necks so they wouldn't be identified or singled out as tourists.

They are more than willing to adapt. And some do need help in order to adapt.

That's the area we should concentrate on - helping immigrants, especially those who have had no experience whatsoever with western culture to adapt as quickly as they can.

If possible, do a real western immersion for the newly arrived. Just like the foreign exchange students who get "adopted" by western families for a period of time to understand our way of life.

A lot of immigrants end up grouping together - not because they don't want to integrate - but simply because they don't know how, or where to begin. A lot of them come from cultures that are not as out-going as western people, whom we'd describe as timid or shy to begin with....so to some of us, they seem aloof or unfriendly, when in fact they are just unsure.

It doesn't help when radical activists - mostly those leaning towards Communism and Socialism - insinuate and plant seeds of discontent and distrust. "They're not treating you right. You are being looked upon as a second-class citizen. They are racist! You are at the mercy of these supremacists! You deserve your cultural right to be accommodated! They have to do this for you. They need to give you this...blah-blah-blah."

Most immigrants come from places that were colonized by England or France or the USA. And some of these immigrants came from places that had experienced conflicts with England, France or the USA.

So of course, to these radical groups the "whites" are the convenient villain. They need a villain to further their cause.

What better way than to stir up and foster divide? These radicals would do their best to stop immigrants from fully integrating and fading off into the crowd.

And then to top it all, here comes a politician who decides to use these people as good platform for his political party. "Oh yeah, you poor bastard...they're not treating you right. The conservatives don't want you in this country. They are racists. They have a secret agenda. They don't want you to succeed. I am your friend. I'll fight for you. You deserve more!"

So holy molly, the poor immigrant just found himself in a place surrounded by whitey enemies! So what's the best recourse?

Group with your own kind.

Integration is the key, imho. Would-be immigrants (applicants) should know before-hand what it means and what is expected if they become immigrants to this country. Terms should be laid out. It's only fair....for both side. After all, migrating means uprooting. It is a giant step.

Some immigrants have voiced out being given false expectations and had lost so much when they've uprooted and moved to this country. Therefore cards should all be laid out on the table to all applicants.

Edited September 27, 2007 by betsy

[JB Globe]

The devil, of course, is always in the details. Just how do you make a society "inclusive"? Well, for one thing, by insisting that a certain number of foreigners - excuse me, ethnic minorities, be hired for a variety of jobs, regardless of skills or qualifications, that they be hired and promoted ahead of more talented, better skilled white people, for example.

Of course, that doesn't happen in Canada. If it does, please go ahead and link me to the government policy.

I think what you're doing is blowing the tie-breaker policy that some companies and government agencies use WAY out of proportion. ie - two candidates with near-identical experience and qualifications - the tie-breaker goes to the woman, or the ethnic minority, because in the past (and research shows it still happens today) employers are subconciously (and sometimes conciously) more likely to hire people who look like them. And since most employers have been and are white men, that means white men have had a historical advantage. So long as the employment picture doesn't represent the makeup of Canada, you'll have this tie-breaker policy in some places.

Inclusive also means doling out money to foreigners - excuse me, ethnic minorities - to support their own cultural festivals, newspapers and magazines, community centres and organizations.

If you consider 2nd and 3rd generation Canadians "foreigners," well . . .

But really, again, exaggeration - how much money do you think is spent on cultural programs? How much of the budget do you think it makes up?

And do you not see the relation between a vibrant cultural scene in Canada's major cities, and a vibrant economy stimulated by the arts, resturant & entertainment industries? The money usually pays for itself in indirect ways.

It also means telling Canadians, day after day, pounding it into their heads so that the weak-minded, at least, see it as true, that there is nothing special about Canadians, that our culture is not better than any other, however violent, xenophobic, racist, sexist, bigoted, primitive, backward and violent it is.

See, you're exaggerating again. If what you were saying is true, than all kinds of illegal acts and human rights violations wouldn't just be isolated incidents, they'd be happening all over the place. Abortions of girl babies, for example would be RAMPANT, but they're actually anything but.

We should never take pride in ourselves because that would imply we're better, and that would be wrong, because it might hurt the feelings of dedicated members of the foreign - er, ethnic community here in Canada.

Exaggerating again - no one says Canadians can't feel good about whatever their cultural identity is, the problem is that some Canadians (see some Anglo & Francophone) can't seem to be able to handle not being at the centre of everything anymore - culturally or socially. They can't feel good about themselves without an air of superiority. They're used to the social universe revolving around them and can't fathom sharing the stage with folks who are different from they are. They precieve themselves as being under attack, when in reality the only thing that's under attack is their long-standing priveledged position in society - what they percieve as oppression is actually equal-standing with other folks.

To put it another way, to someone who has spent their lives as a billionaire even a six-figure salary would seem poor.

And oh by the way we should suppress all of our own religious and cultural festivals and behaviour lest they offend the ethnic minorities - foreigners, that is - among us, or if we really must celebrate it then we have to be "inclusive" by also celebrating every other half-assed ethnic and religious festival from around the world.

See, this is wear you reveal your true colours - remember what I said about some Anglo/Franco Canadians not being able to feel good about themselves without using superiority to do it? You nailed it right here - "half-assed ethnic and religious festival from around the world." - That's your own bias shining through. Something which is unfamiliar to you is automatically foreign, and therefor less-than.

The reason it needs to be all or nothing (all festivals celebrated or none at all) is because in a society committed to inclusion and equality, no one can be left out of public, government-funded celebrations, such as holiday concerts at school.

The little kids in school can't be allowed to draw pictures of Santa or Rudolph around Christmas unless they also get to celebrate Ramadan by, presumably, cutting the heads off little paper infidel dolls.

Okay, well, now I see where your views are coming from - you're a bigot. And please - spare me the "I'm not racist! I just hate people who aren't white and Christian!" routine, it's really old. I gave you a chance, but you just couldn't resist dropping little gems like this one, I would have continued this, but the same rules apply to you as to the Jew-hating anti-semite - there's no point, there's no way to reason, logic and facts don't matter.

I hope you enjoy airing your views on internet forums, because that's pretty much the only place in society left where you can air them without getting told off, or worse.

[jefferiah]

JB Globe you are jumping to extreme conclusions based upon nothing at all.

Speaking of Argus you say he hates anyone who is not a white Christian. This is totally off base, since I am reading the same thread and I have not heard him say this. What I have heard him say is that he is of the belief that immigrants who come to this country should do more adapting than we should to them. That makes perfectly good sense to me. If you had a rule in your house that said "do not wear your shoes inside my living room" and I have a rule in my house which says "its ok to wear your shoes inside", then when I go to your house I will not complain about your rule because of the fact that in my house it is done differently.

It was almost a year ago that crosses were yanked from a classroom Rememberance Day display, because of some complaints. You understand that whether you are Christian or not, the fact still remains that in Flanders Fields the poppies blow beneath the "crosses" row and row. And the cross therefore has become a symbol along with the poppy of Rememberance Day. It has always been this way in Canada, so why should we change it for someone else. I don't think it is rude of us to not change. I think it is rude to come to a new country and demand that the country change just for you. It's brass, bold and disrespectful. Would you move to a new country and complain about every little law which does not suit your fancy? I really don't think you would.

The example of the RCMP turbans was perfect, although as Jennie said it is old hat. Nonetheless, it is ridiculous that a minority should place the demand on us that we change the rules for them when everyone else has to wear the uniform. Or Sikhs wearing Kirpans to school. Do you think that the only reason imaginable for people to be outraged over the fact that Sikh's are allowed to wear kirpans to school (while a girl in grade three was reprimanded for having a paring knife in her lunchkit) is that they are all white supremacists. This seems to be the convenient and shallow argument you use for everyone who does not agree with you. Where are your little grey cells?

There is nothing racist about expecting people to follow our rules, which allow a great deal of freedom (in many cases a great deal more than the country from which they came). We are not stealing people's culture away by asking them not to wear a Burqa while voting. A sikh could still be a Sikh if he left his dagger outside the classroom. You understand that in our society people are not allowed to bring knives to school and therefore.....But this is not preventing them from being Sikhs. It is a reasonable demand. It is not racist. You are going to have to find a better argument than to scream "racist bigot white supremacist" every time someone disagrees with you, because it is not working. Most people are smart enough not to buy into this nonsense.

Edited September 28, 2007 by jefferiah

[ScottSA]

Guyser, I was going to reply, but then realized you really hadn't said anything. You stuck your tongue out and blew raspberries, picked your nose and flung it around, and generally acted like the classless, sputtering illiterate you often do when you disapprove of what others say.

So there really isn't anything to reply to, and I won't lower myself to the extent of trying.

That was exactly my thought too. I think it's almost pointles to try to argue with the zealots...first guyser made the mistake of trying to best his betters in an egg flinging contest, and I see that now JB has entered the fray flinging strawmen hither and yon.

Edited September 28, 2007 by ScottSA

[jennie]

Guyser, I was going to reply, but then realized you really hadn't said anything. You stuck your tongue out and blew raspberries, picked your nose and flung it around, and generally acted like the classless, sputtering illiterate you often do when you disapprove of what others say.

So there really isn't anything to reply to, and I won't lower myself to the extent of trying.

Argus you couldn't get any lower than you were already ... in social literacy.

[mikedavid00]

But really, again, exaggeration - how much money do you think is spent on cultural programs?

5 Billion dollars annyally.

That can biild 5 hospitals. One for each major city in Canada.

[Melanie_]

The example of the RCMP turbans was perfect, although as Jennie said it is old hat. Nonetheless, it is ridiculous that a minority should place the demand on us that we change the rules for them when everyone else has to wear the uniform. Or Sikhs wearing Kirpans to school. Do you think that the only reason imaginable for people to be outraged over the fact that Sikh's are allowed to wear kirpans to school (while a girl in grade three was reprimanded for having a paring knife in her lunchkit) is that they are all white supremacists. This seems to be the convenient and shallow argument you use for everyone who does not agree with you. Where are your little grey cells?

There is nothing racist about expecting people to follow our rules, which allow a great deal of freedom (in many cases a great deal more than the country from which they came). We are not stealing people's culture away by asking them not to wear a Burqa while voting. A sikh could still be a Sikh if he left his dagger outside the classroom. You understand that in our society people are not allowed to bring knives to school and therefore.....But this is not preventing them from being Sikhs. It is a reasonable demand. It is not racist. You are going to have to find a better argument than to scream "racist bigot white supremacist" every time someone disagrees with you, because it is not working. Most people are smart enough not to buy into this nonsense.

Actually, you're incorrect when you say a Sikh would still be a Sikh if he left his dagger outside the classroom. It is an essential part of Sikhism that they wear the turban, and the Kirpan. Restricting them is a violation of the freedom of religion that we as Canadians claim to value. Most Kirpans are ceremonial, and are bound into their scabbard. There is virtually no risk to having them in schools or workplaces.

BBC - Religion and Ethics

The 5 Ks taken together symbolise that the Sikh who wears them has dedicated themselves to a life of devotion and submission to the Guru.

The 5 Ks are 5 physical symbols worn by Sikhs who have been initiated into the Khalsa.

The five Ks are:

Kara - a steel bracelet ©

Kesh (uncut hair)

Kara (a steel bracelet)

Kanga (a wooden comb)

Kaccha - also spelt, Kachh, Kachera (cotton underwear)

Kirpan (steel sword)

[jennie]

Hunh?

From original link:

Roughly half of respondents say religious and cultural minorities should be accommodated "some of the time." (50%)

About 22 per cent said they should be accommodated "most of the time." (72%)

and 5.6 per cent said they should be accommodated all the time. (= 78%, at least some accommodation)

About 14 per cent said they shouldn't be accommodated at all, (= 14% no accommodation)

The rest are unsure. (8%)

Help me figure out how we are interpreting this so differently, cos I don't see that at all.

[jefferiah]

Actually, you're incorrect when you say a Sikh would still be a Sikh if he left his dagger outside the classroom. It is an essential part of Sikhism that they wear the turban, and the Kirpan. Restricting them is a violation of the freedom of religion that we as Canadians claim to value. Most Kirpans are ceremonial, and are bound into their scabbard. There is virtually no risk to having them in schools or workplaces.

BBC - Religion and Ethics

There is also a line in the Bible which says we are to pray at all times.

Do they sleep with their dagger on?

Seriously. come off it Melanie. You know it is not a big demand that they remove it for school purposes. I say if they don't like those rules they can leave.

[baby billy]

You can of course post cites to show that this is commonplace. I am sure there are plenty of examples whereby a degreed profession , or highly skilled worker was not hired and the grade school drop out with the troglodyte linguistic skills got the job.

Poor opressed whitey. Sucks to be him doesn't...hey wait a minute (checking skin-phew I am tanned since its summer)

Oh my- god forbid that the gov fund some cultural festival et al, from the same fund that these foreigners pay into just like whitey does ! The horror!

But dont these foreigners pay taxes too? Doesnt the gov get back taxes from these shows since tax will be applicable to anything bought at the festival, or when buying the magazine and newspaper, or when the money funded growth and the festival/magazine/newspaper hire more people who in turn pay taxes? Well of course they do, I will take it you plum forgot.

And what ill placed rant have you made about Sudbury's Cinefest ? They get funding and man , Sudbury is a foreigners dream spot, tons and tons of "them" live there.

Or perhaps a rant on the Toronto Film Festival since Hans Pierling sounds like a foreigner.

You did not rant about the Vancouver Queer Film Festival , maybe you support that one and left it off. I dont know.

And all those shows you watch, funded by the CDN Television Fund, and the Canadian Independant Video Fund?

Well maybe you forgot those are primarily whitey festivals , and heaven , one cannot be seen to be partisan now can they? Well, can they?

Yup , like that happens. The gov does this? Must have missed that memo. Forward it to me.

I know I know, whitey pays so he calls the tunes. You dont live in a vacuum. Anyone living in this country pays taxes ergo no one should have restrictive rights to cultural celebrations at our schools.

Not Easter Christmas, Hannukah, Tet, Ramadan nor any other. And since you have posted that there should only be one school board then you obviously do not have a problem abiding by this mantra.....all or none .

Did lil Susie not get to play a reindeer this year? Tough , Quong wasnt allowed to decorate his classroom with Tet paraphanalia. Lets call that a wash.

Half Irish?

So you are only half a drunk everyday?

Morning or night?

Two or three packs a day do you smoke?

And those green hats you wear everyday are really gross , all the while leering at people on the street yelling " look at me lucky charms !"

Oh but that would be a Irish stereotype. And as such, not much validity in it.

Perhaps you live in a real lousy part of town , "dirty bedsheets and pillowcases?" The truth of that is loathe anyone Muslim of any means who wears any flowing robes that are dirty. Never seen it and I suspect you havent either, but it sure looks good in a rant of epic bigotry.

Well done Argus.

Becoming a Canadian doesn't mean bringing your failed system with you. It means embracing another system and a different way of life entirely. True Canadians know this and work within our structure to provide a better life for themselves, their neighbors and society as a whole. Unfortunately, many immigrants have elected to exploit the Canadian way of life and denounce our culture as being unsuitable for them. Instead of packing their bags and finding a country that will import their foolish/backward doctrine, they sit here in comfort and mock our society, and try to make our nation their own, like pestulant little children.

Personally, I've had about enough of these insults to my nation, my culture and what we've offered these ungracious people. I'm sure that I speak for tens of millions of Canadians in saying so. They'd better change their tune in the future.

[betsy]

Becoming a Canadian doesn't mean bringing your failed system with you. It means embracing another system and a different way of life entirely. True Canadians know this and work within our structure to provide a better life for themselves, their neighbors and society as a whole.

Which is only true. Why do we want to import those ways to this country when it is plain to see that they are eroding our own system? The fact that for most of these immigrants, the reason they left their homeland and came here is because of their failed system.

I stand by my conviction that the radical activists who are adhereing to Socialism and Communism are the only ones truly behind most of these demands. And obviously political parties that have the same idealogies....or politicians eager to get votes at any cost.

These radicals usually spread their whimsical idealogies to universities (hence you see a lot of obviously educated people...and obviously young people spouting off the same mantra they've been brain-washed with, their naivete clearly shining through).

And they go to the population that they can easily stir up (like the poor and in our case, the minorities).

We have these kinds everywhere too. I've seen and had been approached by these types during my days in university.

Anyway, welcome to the forum Baby Billy.

Edited September 28, 2007 by betsy