Regarding Bill Murdoch

[mikedavid00]

I could't find my origional post to edit for some reason so I'll post the cite here:

"I started this campaign defending the policy, but very quickly heard -

loud and clear - while canvassing door-to-door, on the phone, via mail and

e-mail - that the people of Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound are predominantly against

the extension of funding to faith based schools."

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive...7/24/c4235.html

[Topaz]

Isn't it refreshing that the member is representing the people rather than the party??? I think he's right on this one and Tory is wrong and I don't understand why he's pushing this unless HIS people want it! From what I've seen on different forums, no one is really for this and as I said before, if you have no children or grchildren in the system for at least 5 years, you shouldn't have to pay anything to school taxes. Its hard enough on people with fixed incomes!!!

[mikedavid00]

Isn't it refreshing that the member is representing the people rather than the party??? I think he's right on this one and Tory is wrong and I don't understand why he's pushing this unless HIS people want it! From what I've seen on different forums, no one is really for this and as I said before, if you have no children or grchildren in the system for at least 5 years, you shouldn't have to pay anything to school taxes. Its hard enough on people with fixed incomes!!!

Tory is an idealist. Someone who got into the CPC becuase of his connections. I've worked for a LOT of control freaks and *ssholes in my time. Tory is no different. He wants his things his way or no way.

The difrerence is, at a company like Rogers, we are forced to obey what he believes is correct. In public life, he has to answers to voters and he doesn't seem to comprehend the difference.

Even the CBC host said very nicely, "a good leader admits when he's wrong and changes his game plan, why don't you just admit that this was a bad idea and change your platform?". He just couldn't let go.

He's like a lot of crappy bosses i've had in the past; they see things there way or no way at all.

These people should not be leaders.

Chretien was not an idealist. He was a 'manager' who simply did his job as PM.

Trudeau was an idealist like Tory. He wanted to play God and shape and mold Canada into what he believed it should be.

Idealists tend to get Canada in a lot of trouble.

I hope my door gets knocked on. I can't wait till the conservative member knocks on my door becuase I'm goign to tell him what all the other people have told him over and over:

"We don't want to fund other religions with our tax dollars, and tell your leader to go to hell becuase he's ruining our party"

[M.Dancer]

Tory is an idealist. Someone who got into the CPC becuase of his connections.

Tory may or may not be a CPC member. But he is leader of the Ontario Progressive Conservatives.

[mikedavid00]

Tory may or may not be a CPC member. But he is leader of the Ontario Progressive Conservatives.

Same thing imo.

[Higgly]

Tory is an idealist. Someone who got into the CPC becuase of his connections. I've worked for a LOT of control freaks and *ssholes in my time. Tory is no different. He wants his things his way or no way.

The difrerence is, at a company like Rogers, we are forced to obey what he believes is correct. In public life, he has to answers to voters and he doesn't seem to comprehend the difference.

Even the CBC host said very nicely, "a good leader admits when he's wrong and changes his game plan, why don't you just admit that this was a bad idea and change your platform?". He just couldn't let go.

Yeah in fact he's not a lot different than Harris. Harris was referred to as an idealogue. He had this fixed set of ideas he was determined he was gonna implement, even though he had very little experience to understand how these ideas would reverberate down through the system. Look at Walkerton.

Tory is the same. As far as his experience at Rogers goes, Tory was junior exec. He has never actually run a company.

Tory is indeed there because of his connections and because the Tories were desperate to put on a new face. I doubt Tory will even win his own riding. He's in deep doo-doo, especially after Alan Borovoy launched his campaign to rid the province of Catholic schools. I agree with Borovoy, but I can see the whole electorate taking a step back and saying "Whoa! Time to take a pause and think about all of this."

[geoffrey]

From what I've seen on different forums, no one is really for this and as I said before, if you have no children or grchildren in the system for at least 5 years, you shouldn't have to pay anything to school taxes. Its hard enough on people with fixed incomes!!!

So true! I haven't been to a hospital for five years! You ok with me opting out? I also haven't been invaded by a foreign power, or was an Indian, in the last five years, so am I ok to opt out of the military funding and Indian affairs funding?

[mikedavid00]

So true! I haven't been to a hospital for five years! You ok with me opting out? I also haven't been invaded by a foreign power, or was an Indian, in the last five years, so am I ok to opt out of the military funding and Indian affairs funding?

Someone a long time ago (in the US) said that our system was bound to fail unless it was completely private. He was talking about servies. Only those that use pay. Highways, Schools, welfare insurance, medical insurance. Everything except a true common interest which was national defense.

The public schools wouldn't survive unless all of us that didn't have kids paid for those that do have kids.

I wonder what would happen if Canadians got 1/5th of all our taxes back each year for public education, about $10,000 a household lets say, I wonder how much school they could buy for that price seeing as there would be TONS of competition and drastically lower prices from todays private schools. Teachers would get paid what they are worth and would be accountable with no free summers. Unions would be destroyd.

$5,000 x 20 kids is $100,000 a year. $50,000 goes to the teacher, $50,000 goes to overhead and profit and classes are until 6pm and weekend classes offered for free because of all the competition.

This is perfectly viable. 20 kids in a class with better quality education, weekend classes, classes till 6pm.. that is something I would go for.

Facitilites would be air conditioned and top notch.

This would be so huge, so big as an industry it would rival our healthcare spending. It would really be that large.

Maybe it's time the gov't get out of the education business. They clearly don't know how to operate it.

Edit: my origional point was, after the schooling is over, or before your kids are in school, you no longer would have pay the $4000 a year.

Edited September 25, 2007 by mikedavid00

[mikedavid00]

Yeah in fact he's not a lot different than Harris. Harris was referred to as an idealogue. He had this fixed set of ideas he was determined he was gonna implement, even though he had very little experience to understand how these ideas would reverberate down through the system. Look at Walkerton.

Tory is the same. As far as his experience at Rogers goes, Tory was junior exec. He has never actually run a company.

Tory is indeed there because of his connections and because the Tories were desperate to put on a new face. I doubt Tory will even win his own riding. He's in deep doo-doo, especially after Alan Borovoy launched his campaign to rid the province of Catholic schools. I agree with Borovoy, but I can see the whole electorate taking a step back and saying "Whoa! Time to take a pause and think about all of this."

That's true. People are going to save their own behinds at the end of the day.

Just to show you how un-seasoned he is as a politician, look at this video. It almost makes you cringe when you see how he doesn't really know what he's doing:

I feel real bad for the Ontario PC party at this point... wow..

[guyser]

Yeah in fact he's not a lot different than Harris. Harris was referred to as an idealogue. He had this fixed set of ideas he was determined he was gonna implement, even though he had very little experience to understand how these ideas would reverberate down through the system.

Perhaps I could boil that down to ...Harris did what he said he would do. Imagine that, someone campaign on one thing, and then actually does those things. Shocking I know.

Look at Walkerton.

Allow me , ..... look at Walkerton public works run by two drunk guys who lie and fudge important data which leads to killing 7 people and people wrongfully blaming a guy who was nowhere near the place and could never have known that water was unfit for human consumption.

Who went to jail , or rather convicted of criminal offence? Harris?

Tory is the same. As far as his experience at Rogers goes, Tory was junior exec. He has never actually run a company.

Yes yes, thats why he was called President and CEO. And since he was such a "junior" he was named Chair of the Toronto United Way and raised an unprecendented $75M.

He stunk so bad, and everyone called him "junior" when he the Chairman of the CFL. His father being a preminent lawyer for Thompson where John learned business.

Every single day he gave an hour to charity, usuallyduring lunch.

Tory is indeed there because of his connections and because the Tories were desperate to put on a new face. I doubt Tory will even win his own riding.

He is there since his idol is and always was Bill Davis. And Bill Davis was the one who put in funding for Catholic schools.

That said, I was voting for Tory, but now I am not sure I can. I dont agree with the funding aspects of his platform

Edited September 25, 2007 by guyser

[capricorn]

I feel real bad for the Ontario PC party at this point... wow..

I feel bad for ME...wow....

[Posit]

Perhaps I could boil that down to ...Harris did what he said he would do. Imagine that, someone campaign on one thing, and then actually does those things. Shocking I know.

Allow me , ..... look at Walkerton public works run by two drunk guys who lie and fudge important data which leads to killing 7 people and people wrongfully blaming a guy who was nowhere near the place and could never have known that water was unfit for human consumption.

Who went to jail , or rather convicted of criminal offence? Harris?

Yes yes, thats why he was called President and CEO. And since he was such a "junior" he was named Chair of the Toronto United Way and raised an unprecendented $75M.

He stunk so bad, and everyone called him "junior" when he the Chairman of the CFL. His father being a preminent lawyer for Thompson where John learned business.

Every single day he gave an hour to charity, usuallyduring lunch.

He is there since his idol is and always was Bill Davis. And Bill Davis was the one who put in funding for Catholic schools.

That said, I was voting for Tory, but now I am not sure I can. I dont agree with the funding aspects of his platform

If he is such a fan of Bill Davis, how come he is acting and talking a whole lot like Mike Harris? He'll lose the election over that image regardless of any good ideas he might have contributed. The problem with John Tory is that his ego is bigger than his life experiences.

[guyser]

If he is such a fan of Bill Davis, how come he is acting and talking a whole lot like Mike Harris? He'll lose the election over that image regardless of any good ideas he might have contributed. The problem with John Tory is that his ego is bigger than his life experiences.

Because you arent old enough to know how Davis did things? Harris styled lots from Davis.

I cant argue your point about losing the election though.

Anyone that has done what Tory has, and anyone that rises that far hasto have a big ego, but I would say his is well tempered by his charity work.

[mikedavid00]

Perhaps I could boil that down to ...Harris did what he said he would do. Imagine that, someone campaign on one thing, and then actually does those things. Shocking I know.

Harris campaigned to close down hospitals?

When the immigration's flood gates are open and populations are out of control he actually campaigned to close down hospitals?

[mikedavid00]

That said, I was voting for Tory, but now I am not sure I can. I dont agree with the funding aspects of his platform

That's smart of you.

He seems like an amature... I mean..

He thinks he can spend until the cows come home and then cut taxes at the same, all the while trying to start a whole new school board and then continue to let 200,000 people a year into Ontario and pay for increasing inferstucture, medicare, and social services for these people.

Dalton taxed us $900 a piece because he was most likely forced to when he realized how little money he had.

When you don't tax when you need to, you end up like the city of Toronto.

Of course, when you control an immigration policy, then none of these things become issues and we can live in wealth and peace.

[guyser]

There is a little saying that one should not open ones mouth and remove all doubt of intelligence.Close enough.

That's smart of you.

He seems like an amature... I mean..

Well, I can tell you he is not an "amature" nor is he an amateur. You "mean " what?

He thinks he can spend until the cows come home and then cut taxes at the same, all the while trying to start a whole new school board and then continue to let 200,000 people a year into Ontario and pay for increasing inferstucture, medicare, and social services for these people.

Damn your foot must have more holes in than swiss cheese. 200,000 a year, wow, who would have thought that....oh wait, thats not true. Oh well.

Tory is a lot smarter than you and I. If he wasnt, why haven't you been CEO of Rogers or the CFL?Oh let me guess, you didnt want to be.

Dalton taxed us $900 a piece because he was most likely forced to when he realized how little money he had.

Dalton knew it before assuming office alright, but used it to his advantage. Kudos to Dalt for political manouvering.

When you don't tax when you need to, you end up like the city of Toronto.

Of course, when you control an immigration policy, then none of these things become issues and we can live in wealth and peace.

Of course the unfair downloading et al is not mentioned by you, but would be by any prudent poster. Not to mention of course is we have a guy as mayor who is bent on revenge and sees nothing wrong with sticking to elderly ladies and children to prove his point, and not suprisingly, catering to the unions in the process.

Why wouldnt you think of that. Because you went to the leafless school of ignoring all that makes my argument suck!

But thats okay , you are like a white t shirt at the beach....

Edited September 26, 2007 by guyser

[Littlefinger]

This is a bit of a tangent, but speaks badly of John Tory nonetheless.

Tory was supposed to be at an all-candidates debate on Goldhawk Live, the local call-in politics show on Rogers Cable. I was looking forward to this because he's up against Kathleen Wynne, a well-respected education minister and he's in for a far tougher fight than he probably imagined. He had confirmed with Dale Goldhawk, the host, that he would be present. The show starts at 9pm and there's no sign of Tory and no word from his campaign office. Goldhawk is a little peeved, stating that Tory had confirmed and he didn't know why Tory wasn't there. For the entire next hour, there is no explanation and no appearance.

Either Tory's local campaign is incompetent or the man simply doesn't care that much about representing the local community. Perhaps it's a bit of both. Either way, in such a close race in Don Valley West, Tory's absenteeism can be used against him. This is one riding to follow closely.

Edited September 28, 2007 by Littlefinger