OPP finally act

[AngusThermopyle]

You mean a few days in a sauna and some drug induced hallucinations won't do the trick?

Most certainly not, you also require years of intensive beer guzzling to hone that fine warrior physique.

[M.Dancer]

Most certainly not, you also require years of intensive beer guzzling to hone that fine warrior physique.

Been there, done it......

Call me "Walks with Commuters"

[AngusThermopyle]

Call me "Walks with Commuters"

LMAO

[Posit]

Oh so they were unproven allegations made on a movie.....no evidence though, no charges even.

Tell you what, all aborignal land was given to my four fathers.....who should I call first to tell them I need some cash settlement?

After all, if I alledge it, it must be true right? No matter how far fetched or how absurd? Do you know where Oka is? Hmmmm.....do you know where the Soldiers were? Hmmmm........now where is the Mercier bridge?

Ummm.....I've seen the DOCUMENTARY and the woman that quote was talking was caught on news film as the soldiers threw her into the river and slammed into the abutment. It isn't an allegation unless you are blind as well as being dumb.... Watch the movie and then come back and say it didn't happen.

BTW 25 Mohawk warriors held off 2000 CAF at Oka. That equates to 1 Mohawk warrior is worth 400 Canadians soldiers. Seems like pretty fair odd given that 399 are Canadian misfits and the other one is stoned on drugs.

What right di they have to hold the residents of Chatuegauy hostage?

Talk about hyperbole...They didn't hold Chateauguay "hostage" what a pedantic statement......They merely blocked the bridge that crossed Kahnawake - their own territory.

As far a Chateauguay goes it was a despicable act by cowardly Canadians throwing rocks at children and causing the death of an old person. One of the bleminsh in our recent history that make me ashamed to call myself Canadian.

[geoffrey]

This was not at this point a private residence where the Gualtieri's resided, but a house under construction on a site that had been closed to builders by the OPP.

This is real property, the other half of the first sentance.

You do have to remember that this goes beyond common law and involves constitutional law.

That isn't common law, that's Statute. Common law also happens to agree with my position. If you believe someone should be treated differently under the same law because of their skin colour, or other racial factors, you really need to modernize your line of thinking. Your racism is disturbing, especially because you and those like you try to hide it behind some veil of progression.

It is hard to leave when you are pinned to the wall by a baseball bat pressing against your neck.

It's not hard to just not trespass to begin with, or to attempt to extort money.

A house under construction is not a "dwelling" and the courts hold possession, search and seizure laws differently.

What the hell are you talking about? It doesn't need to be a dwelling. It needs to be real property, of which a house under construction is.

From what I have read so far, every indication is that Sam Gualtieri initiated the fight, and the young men got the upper hand. One of Sam Gualtieri's nephews has already admitted that they went outside looking for a two by four to use against the youths and when they returned they found Sam unconscious and the youth running down the street.

That's not at all what I've read from anyone that isn't a racial extortionist favouring apologist. Let's say your flawed version of events is true. Gualtieri had every right to find a 2x4 and beat them with it until they left. That's fine. He in fact should have just grabbed this infamous bat and clubbed them in the head until they were unconcious and dragged them out of the house. Somehow, I don't believe this.

The story has changed anyways. Before you and jennie were talking of an armed group of white guys storming an Indian occupied area. Now it seems like your story has changed. Guys scrambling for weapons as their home is attacked by thugs? Your getting closer and closer to the real events each time you try to piece together some story that favours your side.

Bottom line, if the Indians were on the property, he had every right to use all force needed to kick them out.

I have heard that the only way to stop a Mohawk would be to kill them. Their tenacity in battle is unmatched by no one and reason enough why Mohawk warriors are well respected in both the Canadian Armed Forces and the US Armed Forces. I digress.....

I hope that would stand up in court when the next guy attacked by "warriors" properly disposes of them with a gunshot. If they are unstoppable unless killed, then anyone has the right to kill them to get them off their property. Do we really want to go down that path?

I have no patience for people that use violence to acheive their ends in a democratic society. These Mohawks have gone on too long. The OPP arrest the other day was the beginning of the end. People are listening now that their lives are in danger. It's time to lock these 'warriors' up for the extortion and terrorism they've inflicted on the people of Ontario.

[jennie]

This is real property, the other half of the first sentance.

That isn't common law, that's Statute. Common law also happens to agree with my position. If you believe someone should be treated differently under the same law because of their skin colour, or other racial factors, you really need to modernize your line of thinking. Your racism is disturbing, especially because you and those like you try to hide it behind some veil of progression.

It's not hard to just not trespass to begin with, or to attempt to extort money.

What the hell are you talking about? It doesn't need to be a dwelling. It needs to be real property, of which a house under construction is.

That's not at all what I've read from anyone that isn't a racial extortionist favouring apologist. Let's say your flawed version of events is true. Gualtieri had every right to find a 2x4 and beat them with it until they left. That's fine. He in fact should have just grabbed this infamous bat and clubbed them in the head until they were unconcious and dragged them out of the house. Somehow, I don't believe this.

The story has changed anyways. Before you and jennie were talking of an armed group of white guys storming an Indian occupied area. Now it seems like your story has changed. Guys scrambling for weapons as their home is attacked by thugs? Your getting closer and closer to the real events each time you try to piece together some story that favours your side.

Bottom line, if the Indians were on the property, he had every right to use all force needed to kick them out.

I hope that would stand up in court when the next guy attacked by "warriors" properly disposes of them with a gunshot. If they are unstoppable unless killed, then anyone has the right to kill them to get them off their property. Do we really want to go down that path?

I have no patience for people that use violence to acheive their ends in a democratic society. These Mohawks have gone on too long. The OPP arrest the other day was the beginning of the end. People are listening now that their lives are in danger. It's time to lock these 'warriors' up for the extortion and terrorism they've inflicted on the people of Ontario.

You might want to temper your remarks until it is clear who attacked whom.

[geoffrey]

I'll pass. Like I said, an individual in Canada has ever right to take all steps neccessary to remove someone from their property. If the Indians were on his land, he had every right to use physical force.

I'm not disputing who attacked who (though it's clear in my mind). It's irrelevant.

[jennie]

I'll pass. Like I said, an individual in Canada has ever right to take all steps neccessary to remove someone from their property. If the Indians were on his land, he had every right to use physical force.

I'm not disputing who attacked who (though it's clear in my mind). It's irrelevant.

It is clear because you were there? How else could it be clear?

The point you are not acknowledging is this: The OPP had closed the site to builders.

The builders were not to be on the property without checking in with police, and they knew it.

They snuck in the back.

[kengs333]

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[jennie]

I've watched I believe every documentary that was made about Oka and I can't recall any mention of two 14 year olds being thrown off of a bridge. If this was the case, I'm sure they really would have made an issue about it in these documentaries.

It was at Kahnawake at the same time. Video posted up above.

[jennie]

Europeans have managed to create in Canada what never would have otherwise existed--a large, peace-loving and prosperous country populated by people from throughout the world. It may have its faults, but Canada is by far one of the best countries in the world. People who want to destroy what we have should not be tolerated.

People who want to deny structural faults thus endangering what might be should ...

... feel free to express their opinion but don't be shocked when we don't agree.

Only the truth will set us free.

[AngusThermopyle]

Did you know that Canadian soldiers threw two 14 year old girls off the Mercier Bridge, nearly killing them?

Were you there?

Could you perhaps provide a credible source of information to back your statement?

Does that sort of behaviour seem in keeping with what you think Canada's military does?

I can only speak for myself in saying that I never harmed a civilian in any of the countries to which I was deployed.

Our mandate was to counter identifiable enemy combatants whilst minimizing civilian casualties at all cost.

That has always been the CF mandate, it is to this day.

As a rule we don't pick on little girls, we tend to go after the big boys.

[AngusThermopyle]

People who want to deny structural faults thus endangering what might be should ...

... feel free to express their opinion but don't be shocked when we don't agree.

Only the truth will set us free.[/quote

Wow!

Thats deep man?

So what the hell exactly are you trying to say in your own incoherent way?

[jennie]

People who want to deny structural faults thus endangering what might be should ...

... feel free to express their opinion but don't be shocked when we don't agree.

Only the truth will set us free.

Wow!

Thats deep man?

So what the hell exactly are you trying to say in your own incoherent way?

We have to live here in peace. No one is going anywhere.

Thus, we have to honour agreements, maintain integrity in our relationships, or at the very minimum obey our own laws.

Otherwise I believe Canada's structural faults ... failure to honour and address its legal liabilities to Indigenous Peoples ... will continue to endanger the peace for all of us.

[kengs333]

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[kengs333]

People who want to deny structural faults thus endangering what might be should ...

... feel free to express their opinion but don't be shocked when we don't agree.

Only the truth will set us free.

Words of wisdom from the illustrious "Sage Red-X" no doubt, eh?

[Posit]

Europeans have managed to create in Canada what never would have otherwise existed--a large, peace-loving and prosperous country populated by people from throughout the world. It may have its faults, but Canada is by far one of the best countries in the world. People who want to destroy what we have should not be tolerated.

WTF? Canada is a "peace-loving" country?

Take a guess at what country in the world has had troops in EVERY war in the world since its inception?

Yep! Canada. I would call your statement a myth.

[Posit]

Were you there?

Could you perhaps provide a credible source of information to back your statement?

Go watch the video "Rocks at Whiskey trench

Does that sort of behaviour seem in keeping with what you think Canada's military does?

Absolutely. Remember Somalia in 1993? That provides ample evidence of the ruthless behavior of some Canadian soldiers. The murder of an innocent boy is one thing but the military cover-up is a whole other subject.

I can only speak for myself in saying that I never harmed a civilian in any of the countries to which I was deployed.

Our mandate was to counter identifiable enemy combatants whilst minimizing civilian casualties at all cost.

That has always been the CF mandate, it is to this day.

As a rule we don't pick on little girls, we tend to go after the big boys.

You mean like this?

Somalia

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[M.Dancer]

I've watched I believe every documentary that was made about Oka and I can't recall any mention of two 14 year olds being thrown off of a bridge. If this was the case, I'm sure they really would have made an issue about it in these documentaries.

An issue? It would have resulted in serious criminal charges. But there were none. That should say it all in regards to moonbat accusations.

But now that it is part of the oral history, no further evidence is needed.....

[M.Dancer]

WTF? Canada is a "peace-loving" country?

Take a guess at what country in the world has had troops in EVERY war in the world since its inception?

Yep! Canada. I would call your statement a myth.

Time to check on the Alcan portfolio......

Lets see, no need to go to the internet, just a quick oral history since 1867......

Canada sent troops to: True or False

Spanish American War

Franco Prussian war

Franco- Sino War

Sino Japanese war

Italian Ethipean war

Russian Japanese War

With all due respect, you come off like a twit.

[AngusThermopyle]

Take a guess at what country in the world has had troops in EVERY war in the world since its inception?

Yep! Canada. I would call your statement a myth.

Wow!

I'm speechless! What are you smoking?

That is the most ridiculous statement that I've heard in a long, long time.

[jennie]

Go watch the video "Rocks at Whiskey trench

Absolutely. Remember Somalia in 1993? That provides ample evidence of the ruthless behavior of some Canadian soldiers. The murder of an innocent boy is one thing but the military cover-up is a whole other subject.

You mean like this?

Somalia

The 'Rock at Whiskey Trench' video is posted in this thread. One of the young woman in question is interviewed.

At Oka, a 14 year old girl was stabbed within half an inch of her heart, by a soldier.

Not saying this is the norm, but it happened.

It is very curious to me: Many Canadians wonder why Aboriginal people don't want to 'just fit in'.

Who would want to 'fit in' to a country that villifies and attacks your rights and your children?

It boggles my mind.

[ScottSA]

It boggles my mind.

Judging from the content of these various spammed threads, I imagine that's not something you're entirely unfamiliar with.