jennie Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 hahhahayeah so who's book says that then , haha and if someones does ,which none do in reality , i could care less if they are offended as they are misguided any way no you are just trying to start garbage and as such , good day to you Well at least you have the decency to recognize that it is offensive. Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
Pliny Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 the Taliban are the farmersthe farmers are the Taliban they are paid less for opium than the legal farmers of turkey are paid for theirs the Taliban sell the opium at huge markups even to legal pharmaceutical companies this will happen and people need to realize the world uses and needs tons of the stuff every year i know this will happen and it will work everything else is just fear and job creation yes there will always be bad apples ,,, its still better than poisoning their country just for the 6 o'clock news anyone who says their book tells them to kill others who don't follow their book should be neutralized period no other way for us to progress as a race unless we get much smarter, which we will maybe just as an introduction,,,,, http://enmasse.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6965 read or dont but you wont stop me from my goal Yeah, Dude! Allright! Thumbs up, man! Cool! Freakin' Cool! Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
shavluk Posted September 8, 2007 Author Report Posted September 8, 2007 Well at least you have the decency to recognize that it is offensive. I don't think you understand that some extremists are telling this lie to their followers and as i said they should be neutralized. Nothing wrong with saying I will defend myself. No book says it , but lots of men pretend that they do and as such I would charge them for crimes against humanity and for inciting violence. Any questions to that thought , to me are irelevent. Quote
Pliny Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 I don't think you understand that some extremists are telling this lie to their followers and as i said they should be neutralized.Nothing wrong with saying I will defend myself. No book says it , but lots of men pretend that they do and as such I would charge them for crimes against humanity and for inciting violence. Any questions to that thought , to me are irelevent. Yeah, Dude! Allright! Thumbs up, man! Cool! Freakin' Cool! Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
jbg Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 Yeah, Dude! Allright! Thumbs up, man! Cool! Freakin' Cool! Yeah man, it's groovy. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 If pot was legalized, I'd start growing it myself. Have a few plants for my personal use. You might find a lot more greenthumbs cropping up all over the place. If people know how to make/grow/produce it on their own. You might find gang crime mafia style crap just simply dissapear. Poof. Since people grow their own, no money is really exchanged, no possibility of getting shafted in a crooked drug deal. Keeping drugs illegal is what generates the cash flow it does. In regards to Hell's Angels. Drugs are legal now and well, since they wanna be bad boys and stick it to the man. Be all the badass you can be. Being an Angel means you are doing much illegal activity. Now, not so much with it being legal. The whole ideals behind the Angels becomes pointless. Drugs will never become legal, because until we change the leaders that presently be, drugs are one of the biggest reasons we have law enforcement growing at an unbelievable pace. We need more security from all these bad men that want to hurt us because they are doing illegal things and making illegal things in which we buy at a high price. The more illegal drugs you buy, the more of a reason to increase law enforcement. I will go as far as to say that illegal drugs seem to help the economy indirectly by needing an increase in law enforcement, security companies, that produce services that make you safe. By employing millions of people to uphold the law at all levels of government and private corporations. Direct corealation. People get a bad rap if they use drugs. I am a daily pot smoker. I know people that like a line of coke now and then. Most of us should have some common sense of what we decide to put into our bodies. Pot has helped me cure my depression. Medical benefits on many drugs when applied correctly. My smoking does not get in the way of me performing my daily tasks at my job. But if people want to wreck their lives by always wanting a hit, they can continue to do so. Their choice. Quote
buffycat Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 Firstly, it isn't just May here in Canada saying that the opium poppy production wrt Afghanistan should be legalised - it's being spoken about the world over. It is also important to realise that there is currently a world wide shortage (especially in less developed nations) of opiate based painkillers, of which morphine is just one of many. Part of the problem is the monopoly that multinational pharmaceutical companies hold over all 'medicines'. Many of which can be easily replaced by 'home remedies' for most common problems - IF - we still held that kind of knowledge in any collective manner. There has been a huge loss in general herbal knowledge for well over a century now, and has drastically increased since the last three quarters of the 20th century. Prohibition of particular plants used by humans for millenia has led to this corporate monopoly of cartels. Even now, many pharma companies employ ethnobotanists in remote areas who study the use of plants etc, by indigenous peoples then of course patent the information and NOTHING is ever given back. These sorts of cures, treatments and preventatives are part of humanity's shared past - and they should NOT be allowed to be exploited in the way they are. Of course - the companies being what they are have NO interest in being morally responisble wrt the meds they churn out for incredible profits - the recalls and questions surrounding so many 'approved' meds illustrates this fact quite well. From pay-offs to outright fraudulent 'studies' the increase in prescription medication consumed by 'western' civilisation is mind-boggling. Just look at how many children are not drugged beyond recognition! It's really all about the money. But I digress... I wouldn't hold one's breath that either coca, opium, or cannabis for that matter will ever become legal again. There is far too much profit right across the board to keep it illegal - not to mention the lovely corruption that guarantees on almost all levels. If it were up to me I'd legalise it all - yep everything! Then educate people with the knowledge that has been lost. Jane Jacobs was right: We are in the beginning of another Dark Age. Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
fellowtraveller Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 There is no need to have any kind of special international status or adminsitration of the poppy trade in Afghanistan, that just leads to adding another UN tower to accomodate the thousands of new UN personnel required to contribute nothing. But the West should most definitely buy all the poppy from Afghan farmers. They could than divert it into medical use, burn it or whatever. It would only cost a few billion, far less than what the current war is costing . The Taliban (who are most assuredly mostly Afghanis) control the trade now and generate the money to buy arms from the trade. They also pay their local fighters from that cash crop, poor men who need work of any kind. Cut off the poppy trade, and the Taliban must depend soleley on support from abroad, a tenuous link. It is a win -win-lose situation.......and long overdue. Marijuana does not matter, it grows everywhere and nobody much cares any more. Afghanistan used to be a major supplier of high quality hashish to the West, and so was Pakistan. Few Wsetern dealers are willing now to risk decades in jail importing a product that is now grown hydroponically and locally. Quote The government should do something.
jennie Posted September 9, 2007 Report Posted September 9, 2007 (edited) Has my vote too ... legalize poppies from Afghanistan for medical use, provide access to a market, provide security for the industry. I think that is essentially what our soldiers are trying to do now - provide security for the countryside so people can farm safely and make an honest living. Legalize pot and all street drugs, use profits for services and treatment. Yes. To be very strictly controlled and publicly accountable ... because drugs and drug money are both addictive and highly corruption prone. I would love to see this happen. It would cut a great deal of crime off at the neck. We would need to be very alert to backlash ... other kinds of crime popping up to victimize other people. We would eventually, I wouldn't say quickly, need less law enforcement but there would be a whole new public industry needing security and employees for services of various kinds, so there is a balance there. If drugs are legal, those that can be grown here could perhaps give a new lease on life to our farmers. And if we can get over this stupid "growing hemp is illegal" prohibition era idiocy, we could switch to hemp based paper products (fabrics, waxes, etc. etc.) and save the trees too!! -edit to add - Multinationals threaten us all in many ways, imo. I heard a woman from the opium industry in India interviewed and she dismissed the idea of Afghanistan going 'legal' due to security and markets. However I have also heard there are unfilled markets, so I think she was trying to avoid competition. Edited September 9, 2007 by jennie Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
jbg Posted September 9, 2007 Report Posted September 9, 2007 I would love to see this happen. It would cut a great deal of crime off at the neck.We would need to be very alert to backlash ... other kinds of crime popping up to victimize other people. We need more zoned-out zombie-like people. I think not. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jennie Posted September 9, 2007 Report Posted September 9, 2007 We need more zoned-out zombie-like people. I think not. It is not a question of more ... more in our control is the reason. Better than the addictions of some making the streets dangerous for everyone, I say Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
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