A petition

[beatenwoman2005]

Below I have drafted a Petition that could be presented in each province. Please speak about how you feel regarding what has been written in this petition. Do you think this can work? If not why....

TO THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF____________:

1- There are many Victims of Violent crimes in _______ranging from Murder, to assault.

2- The victims of ________ have a right to COMPENSATION according to the Compensation for victims of crime act. This money is funded by the province of ______ (WE THE TAX PAYER).

3- Victims go through medical treatment (ranging from therapy to medical procedures), and are supplied with wage losses that are capped at ________/ week this is compensated by the province of ______ (WE THE TAX PAYER).

4- Victims are not entitled to file CIVIL Suits with LEGAL AID representation; as this falls outside of the LEGAL AID Guidelines within the province of ______.

5- Convicted perpetrators are entitled to LEGAL AID, Food, Shelter, Clothing, television, and Education. They also (once released) are provided with a transition home where food, shelter, counseling, and other things are provided by the province of _________ (WE THE TAX PAYER).

We petition the Legislative Assembly of __________ as follows:

You COMMIT the crime YOU PAY FOR THE TIME

1. To request the minister of Justice, Minister of Healthy living, the Minister responsible for Persons with Disabilities, Minister responsible for the Status of Women, to Design and IMPLEMENT a pay table that convicted felon’s of VIOLENT CRIMES (once a felon is released from their sentence) will refund the Province of ________for costs associated with the crimes that have been committed.

2. To request These recovered funds to be placed back into 1st- The Province’s Healthcare costs related to the crime, 2nd- Court costs associated with Conviction, 3rd- Costs provided by compensation for victims of crime to the victim.

3. To request all Ministers to recognize the suffering of victims and their families throughout the province of _________.

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DEADLINE is ___________ Please mail originals (as soon as possible) to _______ ~If you have any questions please email- __________

[M.Dancer]

Minister of Healthy living?

[beatenwoman2005]

Minister of Healthy living?

yes, even the Minister of Healthy Living needs to look at what the costs are for a person to live a healthy life.(Keep the Perpatrator alive long enough to try to repay the debt). ROFLMAO

[guyser]

Minister of Healthy living?

I said the same thing.................but then.....

http://www.gov.mb.ca/healthyliving/minister.html

Who knew , not me.And while not Ruby Dhalla-esque.....not too bad.(one sure way to get a link clicked on)

[beatenwoman2005]

Minister of Healthy living?

I said the same thing.................but then.....

http://www.gov.mb.ca/healthyliving/minister.html

Who knew , not me.And while not Ruby Dhalla-esque.....not too bad.(one sure way to get a link clicked on)

OMG.................. ROFLMAO........

[guyser]

I get this impression you dont get anywhere because you have a habit of condecending everything.

Here is what I think of your petition and your situation .....OMFG, ROTFLMAO.

But then again, you think half of us are felons.

Edited August 2, 2007 by guyser

[beatenwoman2005]

I get this impression you dont get anywhere because you have a habit of condecending everything.

Here is what I think of your petition and your situation .....OMFG, ROTFLMAO.

But then again, you think half of us are felons.

He who laughs last laughs best... yep some are felon's...... you should learn to use the spell check on the sight, it is free~!

[geoffrey]

you should learn to use the spell check on the sight, it is free~!

Just thought I'd quote this. Randomly... of course...

[guyser]

I get this impression you dont get anywhere because you have a habit of condecending everything.

Here is what I think of your petition and your situation .....OMFG, ROTFLMAO.

But then again, you think half of us are felons.

He who laughs last laughs best... yep some are felon's...... you should learn to use the spell check on the sight, it is free~!

You haven't laughed a day in your life for the past year by your own admission.

You live to wallow in your own pity. Have fun

[beatenwoman2005]

I get this impression you dont get anywhere because you have a habit of condecending everything.

Here is what I think of your petition and your situation .....OMFG, ROTFLMAO.

But then again, you think half of us are felons.

He who laughs last laughs best... yep some are felon's...... you should learn to use the spell check on the sight, it is free~!

You haven't laughed a day in your life for the past year by your own admission.

You live to wallow in your own pity. Have fun

Hu?///??

I am going to ask you to not Hi-jack my thread, but rather to stay on topic.

These are valid situations that require looking into by the systems that are in place at this current time.

There are to many cases before the courts that suck up time, and we the public pay for it, in SEVERAL ways.

I have family that require medical care, and I have required medical care over the last 2 years.

I have lost a number of organs, as well as I have been required to have operations in order to regain use of one of my limbs due to a number of assaults that could, would and should have been prevented by the systems that are in place.

The operations were not able to occur in a timely fashion because of the drain on the system, as I am not the only person on this planet. I have only been able to obtain these procedures over the last 15 months.

This thread is about how to empower other's not only myself regarding the systems in Canada.

Why attack someone who is willing to post their ideas? Is it due to the possibility that other's lack the drive and ambition regarding making necessary changes to a system that is failing others? Is it due to those who only like to sit back and complain about something rather than to get up and change it?

I have met many who complain in their life.. and all of those that have complained have not gotten off their Backside and stood up for something that could create a positive situation for other's in Canada, that is why Health care, as well as the justice system in Canada are failing.

Take a chance, get off your backside, and Stand up for something other than to only complain about things only in forums. God knows I have, and I always will...

***back on topic....

Edited August 3, 2007 by beatenwoman2005

[beatenwoman2005]

Perhaps it is time to read the forum rules-

Be Polite and respect Others

No Trolling/ Flaming

No Personal Attacks

For your reference troll-

Forum Rules

[tiredofthebull]

first off, how do you expect a criminal just out of jail to pay fines for his crime? he was in jail remember? jail or prison time is "payment" and "justice" for the people. once time is served the debt is gone. do you know, that most people in prison don't have education, or most even a home to go to after jail. and you expect them to get a job and pay for the rest of their life?? lol. they may as well be dead then. they have nothing to look forward to in getting out of prison. how do you expect them to pay for a roof, food, clothing, and the necessities of life, if they have this huge debt over their head. no, sorry would not work. time is time served. it would put them all on welfare, which i dont blame them. and our welfare debt is high as it is. they need the incentive to work, and be productive in our society. debt is paid.

i know a little more on this subject than most reading here, and i think it sounds someone is very bitter their relationship didn't go the way they wanted. time to move on, you were not killed, you were just slapped around a bit. no organs lost, you haven't worked in how many years? now who is taking advantage here of the government.

I think it was rude of you to mention to the poster to use the spell check, your petition was full of spelling mistakes also. and some words were not in grammatical order.

Edited August 4, 2007 by tiredofthebull

[capricorn]

how do you expect them to pay for a roof, food, clothing, and the necessities of life, if they have this huge debt over their head.

This would also kill any incentive to find gainful employment once out of prison. Why work when all your disposable income goes to payments to a victim of crime, probably for the rest of your life? Joining the welfare ranks would be the obvious choice for them. How does that serve society? They do their time, get out and integrate into society. That's the desired outcome.

[beatenwoman2005]

first off, how do you expect a criminal just out of jail to pay fines for his crime? he was in jail remember? jail or prison time is "payment" and "justice" for the people. once time is served the debt is gone. do you know, that most people in prison don't have education, or most even a home to go to after jail. and you expect them to get a job and pay for the rest of their life?? lol. they may as well be dead then. they have nothing to look forward to in getting out of prison. how do you expect them to pay for a roof, food, clothing, and the necessities of life, if they have this huge debt over their head. no, sorry would not work. time is time served. it would put them all on welfare, which i dont blame them. and our welfare debt is high as it is. they need the incentive to work, and be productive in our society. debt is paid.

i know a little more on this subject than most reading here, and i think it sounds someone is very bitter their relationship didn't go the way they wanted. time to move on, you were not killed, you were just slapped around a bit. no organs lost, you haven't worked in how many years? now who is taking advantage here of the government.

I think it was rude of you to mention to the poster to use the spell check, your petition was full of spelling mistakes also. and some words were not in grammatical order.

And so they said that it could not be done, to make people pay child support.. yet the guide lines came, many argued, and look at what we have today... a wonderfully functioning system that children benefit from.

As well it has helped out to reduce the costs of welfare....etc..etc...etc... it has been a win, win situation.

You know nothing of what happened to me in my life, or what has brought me here today.

Take it from the public inquiry that is going to be conducted ...

I will state no more on this subject matter, other than to the poor troll who left the above comments...

Stand up, Women won the right to vote in Canada because someone took a stand....have a peek-

COOL WOMEN

Sometimes when people who have never had children can not see the UNJUST issues as it does not impact a future they can imagine or dream of through their child's eyes. (As the above noted troll has not given birth).

Convicted persons can be made to pay back a system even if it is on 50.00/ month for the rest of their life... they caused the rife... they can PAY to change it...

Time served is not enough. Other's before me have spoken of this EXACT line on CBC, and another will be speaking again on it within a couple of months...

Time to pay~! It will reduce crime~!

[geoffrey]

If I commit a non-violent offense, should I be able to just pay instead of going to jail?

Does that create two-tier justice? And if so, is that immoral?

[tiredofthebull]

Excuse me , why would you jump on me like that. you just sent me an email asking to be buddies, and now this. just because i refused to sign this senseless petition you jumped me. you got mad as i was being helpful in correcting all the spelling errors. get it straight, what you are saying about this new law, does not make any sense, its a waste of time. it wont work, you are wasting the govts time, and lawyers time and money.

Now, to what you said, so what i dont have kids, am i supposed to? or is this another one of your crazy new laws all women have to have a kid? how about you, you had to give up your ONLY child. one child, and you cant look after him. so who are you to bash me. i knew in life i never wanted, so to be fair to a child, i chose not to have any. much unlike yourself.

why would you call me a troll? because i disagree with what you are doing. I Know you, so dont pretend you dont. i know of many web sites you are on. you get kicked out, because of all the trouble you cause in them. please stop calling people names. grow up, get a job, and get off the drugs and booze.

maybe if you would stop telling all these fibs, you would have friends. did you know even the place you moved to is sick of it. yep, i even heard from here. stop feeling so sorry you got a few slaps. you sent me the audio tape from the cops remember, i still have it. you were not beaten, you were pushed. you were also so drunk, they took you away, is it coming back to you. stop looking for sympathy all the time. move on. get a job, and live your life in your new town.

Edited August 4, 2007 by tiredofthebull

[beatenwoman2005]

Excuse me , why would you jump on me like that. you just sent me an email asking to be buddies, and now this. just because i refused to sign this senseless petition you jumped me. you got mad as i was being helpful in correcting all the spelling errors. get it straight, what you are saying about this new law, does not make any sense, its a waste of time. it wont work, you are wasting the govts time, and lawyers time and money.

Now, to what you said, so what i dont have kids, am i supposed to? or is this another one of your crazy new laws all women have to have a kid? how about you, you had to give up your ONLY child. one child, and you cant look after him. so who are you to bash me. i knew in life i never wanted, so to be fair to a child, i chose not to have any. much unlike yourself.

why would you call me a troll? because i disagree with what you are doing. I Know you, so dont pretend you dont. i know of many web sites you are on. you get kicked out, because of all the trouble you cause in them. please stop calling people names. grow up, get a job, and get off the drugs and booze.

maybe if you would stop telling all these fibs, you would have friends. did you know even the place you moved to is sick of it. yep, i even heard from here. stop feeling so sorry you got a few slaps. you sent me the audio tape from the cops remember, i still have it. you were not beaten, you were pushed. you were also so drunk, they took you away, is it coming back to you. stop looking for sympathy all the time. move on. get a job, and live your life in your new town.

This is insane....... grow-up.. I met you on the web, for all I know you could smoke crack, and scratch your backside and enjoy doing so.

As for my child, he is happy and well, and I have never lost him to anyone, as a matter of fact I have soul custody. Where would you get that concept from?

As for friends, I have several... but of course, they are in the real world not in CYBER SPACE.

As for the booze and drugs, ROFLMAO..... I do not do drugs, nor do I drink .... you are one strange person....

I have no desire to meet people on the web, I meet people in real life, teaching. I am currently in University, and teach, as well I lobby.

This forum is not about anything other than having CONVICTED felons Repay the system that they drained, I requested feed back from other's in the world on this concept.. Feel free to comment on the subject matter. This trolling seems to be getting a bit far on this site, perhaps there are a NUMBER of persons on here that do have convictions.

OKAY, now back onto the SUBJECT at hand....

If there were a table SIMILAR to the child support tables within the justice department having these persons REPAY a system that they drained...

What would a realistic cost be? 50.00/ month for how many years? How long and how many think that this DEBT to society be repaid since to house a convict runs an average of 50 thousand dollars a year, which is PAYABLE by the taxpayers of Canada!

I honestly feel that if there were a COST that was repayable by a convicted person we would see crime rates across Canada drop. Convicted persons are sent back out into the world (from what I understand) with assistance regarding job placement, and housing assistance if they do not have their own.

Edited August 5, 2007 by beatenwoman2005

[Higgly]

The crime rate is already dropping. A criminal record and jail time are just about as bad as it gets. Do you think sending them a bill is going to make it any better? What will happen is they will get out of jail and say "Hey, what's the point of working?"

How about this: we send the bill to all the drunken mothers who give birth to fetal alcohol boys who grow up to be violent offenders?

[jawapunk]

Hi,

This is a fairly hilarious flame war going on. The spelling errors themselves are sending me into knots. I love how you have "soul" posession of your child, but which ecclesiastical denomination do you subscribe to? I would hate to think the soul of a child is simply possessed. Hehe. (I believe you meant "sole")

Anyways, I will not say more than that and get engulfed in hate mongering. The idea, while interesting just doesn't make legal sense. The penalties we have came up with for crimes do sometimes include very hefty fines and imprisonment depending on the nature of the infraction.

I am not sure if anyone here has spent time in incarceration, it is not pleasant, I believe the nature and act of having ones movement and freedom impeded for YEARS is punishment enough, even for the most heinous of crimes. Time in prison certainly isn't some sort of free ride or joy camp and making someone pay a cash penalty afterwards would be tantamount to beating a dead horse.

I also have to agree with others that the earning prospects for most ex-convicts are meagre at best so to saddle someone with a lifetime of debt would more than likely increase the chances of reoffending than not, which is the whole point of the original incarceration, to curb violent behaviour, illegal acts etc..

This is just my thoughts on the issue.

Cheers.

[beatenwoman2005]

Hi,

This is a fairly hilarious flame war going on. The spelling errors themselves are sending me into knots. I love how you have "soul" possession of your child, but which ecclesiastical denomination do you subscribe to? I would hate to think the soul of a child is simply possessed. Hehe. (I believe you meant "sole")

Anyways, I will not say more than that and get engulfed in hate mongering. The idea, while interesting just doesn't make legal sense. The penalties we have came up with for crimes do sometimes include very hefty fines and imprisonment depending on the nature of the infraction.

I am not sure if anyone here has spent time in incarceration, it is not pleasant, I believe the nature and act of having ones movement and freedom impeded for YEARS is punishment enough, even for the most heinous of crimes. Time in prison certainly isn't some sort of free ride or joy camp and making someone pay a cash penalty afterwards would be tantamount to beating a dead horse.

I also have to agree with others that the earning prospects for most ex-convicts are meagre at best so to saddle someone with a lifetime of debt would more than likely increase the chances of re-offending than not, which is the whole point of the original incarceration, to curb violent behaviour, illegal acts etc..

This is just my thoughts on the issue.

Cheers.

I have to admit that I do write on the fly on this site... things do not always come forth as they are intended to through basic writing on here. Thank you for addressing "SOUL", VS..."SOLE"... roflmao...... message was still taken in as proper content.

BUT.... needless to say, there are many errors by the system(S) that forget that there are victims out there. Victims of violent crimes have a life time of recovery in several areas.

We have the Federal government and the Provincial government that take taxes away from us to PAY for these things, the end result is a hard drain on the system(S), taxes go up, and Tax Payer's become upset.

How funny that you failed to mention the FEDERAL Child support guidelines that so many mocked prior to them being enforced within Canada.....

I would like to point out that they do work.

Paying for the time is relevant since Canada signed an agreement with the UN to compensate Victims of Crime. Now through this, there needs to be some form of RECOVERY to the systems that are in place, by the "PERPS". Thus in doing so, it can reduce the amount of tax dollars that are paid out to house, feed, clothe...etc......etc.............etc............

How many years has it taken other processes to be established regarding Child tax tables, The Right to Vote, etc...etc...etc...etc...... Many in the public also stated that this would not work.

Something has to be put into place regarding this, even if it is 10.00/ month or even 20.00/ month for the rest of their lives......HOW harsh is it to put this into place, when it will provide assistance to other areas where there needs to be ASSISTANCE?

This topic will be discussed on CBC soon enough!

[geoffrey]

How about this: we send the bill to all the drunken mothers who give birth to fetal alcohol boys who grow up to be violent offenders?

Oh, I really like your thinking now.